16 Jan 2011, 02:48 | #76 |
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It's really difficult to exchange opinions on this forum sometimes... Maybe I should have better remembered my earlier post about self-censorship...
Meat, I know it's not easy (I worked in marketing for a while) and I didn't "pass judgement". I described how I perceived something, I didn't intend to give advice and I don't want you to feel as if you had to justify what you do. Please don't mistake an opinion for judgement or for being a "monday-morning quaterback" and don't regard posts like that as an attack on you. As I said in earlier discussions, we often don't know the background, e.g. what you just revealed about the issue of covering the costs. It's great that you provide us with such info from time to time and I'm sure you know that we appreciate that. I never said the tour wasn't good promo (I referred to the time when the album came out), most of the footage of the current tour I've seen on YouTube would have made me go to a show if there had been any concerts over here. I never claimed that I "could do better" - and I'm not a dude. |
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But you do care otherwise you wouldn't respond and defend yourself. I don't think Sarge is saying she could do better. She is simply wanting to see what you do best and that is perform the music. From the shows I saw in December, I think you were on the best form I've seen and heard since the nineties! You looked ecstatic, absolutely in the zone, enjoying the music and the shows so much. Stunning deliveries of the songs and a band, my god, I've never heard better and yes I do think you are responsible for that too!
I don't believe Sarge is attacking you at all. She simply wants the world to know and remember you for what you are so good at and that is performing the songs rather than being "another celebrity" and only talking about the music if you see what I mean. Please don't think so negatively of your fans. If we write about our frustrations here, it's not so much an attack on you it's simply how things come across to us. You are right, we don't know the ins and out but that doesn't mean we should be quiet I think and not have opinions. Please if you come back to the UK seek out the tv show Jools Holland on the BBC, I think you would like performing on there, all the artists seem to have a great time and it's real music, even if it is just you performing with Jools on piano without the band. I think it would be great. |
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16 Jan 2011, 10:55 | #80 | |
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It makes me want to pull my hair out. I go out and work hard for them just hoping it will make them want to do more . They don't. They don't want to work anymore. Used to be they would listen and follow through on some of my ideas. , now they have an excuse for why they can't do any of my ideas. They only want to do it their way . The way they do every band . I'm not every band. To them I am nothing but another a can of soup. I wasn't really attacking sarge, just saying that it is real easy to sit on the sideline and judge and speculate . Believe me almost everything that is written on here about promo I tried and things that you guys never thought of. Nobody cares, they are not selling records. So they want to do as little as possible . At least the UK did TV ads. The US wouldn't . I told them my audience is not where you are putting your money (very little).I thought Management was going to blow a Gasget. If the UK was bad , the US and Australia were worse. New Zealand did pretty good , Germany fair . I did get a gold record in the UK for Hang cool so it keeps my streak alive, every record in the UK has gone gold. If it doesn't have "Hell" in the title they don't want to work it. They tried to get me to call it Bat 4 . If I would have it would have been a negative for a lot of people but in the end would have sold more records . When I refused ,it pissed them off. So now, I've come with a Title with Hell in it. Paul is working on the first song." The Devil in me" duet with Patti. It's a rocker... We got some great songs. One we are going to do like NINE INCH NAILS. I know ,you say "oh no" not that. Good news for some of you though. The songs go with the title and PATRICK is no where around. LOL To Sarge, I really wasn't angry. Just wanted you to know I wasn't waiting on someone to do something. I was out kicking on their doors. Working really really hard. DUDE I CALL EVERYONE DUDE NOW, I think I'm still in the 80's. The best to all of you ( even Evil one) I like" Holy one " better . Be "evil one" on the Rockman site and "Holy one" here. Yes that's it!!! Meat Last edited by Fire Ball; 16 Jan 2011 at 11:28. |
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Virgin records/ MCA seemed to do everything right back in the 90's. Didnt they get Hudson theater filmed in 1993 (which hasnt been released) and put out the Live around the world compilation? You were what, 40 something in 1994, that was still old and they still put out a decent publicized single or five. I miss them lol. I really think SNL couldve helped since you havent been on SNL since 1978 lol. and that broke BOOH! |
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Thanks for this Meat !!!
I think it's really sad that record companys do that, so what if your old, that doesn't take away that your still an artist and have ideas of your own and can still create, to me that sounds very narrow minded of them just to dismiss you like that, not alone rude. And I look forward to hearing the duet with you and Patti, bet it'll be stunning as always !! Quote:
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Thanks for your often words!!
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16 Jan 2011, 11:28 | #85 |
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I have so many thoughts Iwant to write you but it needs time to find all english words to say them right!
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Why not hit them hard with california? lol I know its soooo offensive to prudes and the amish, but it'll make huge publicity. |
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16 Jan 2011, 12:42 | #93 |
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Because there are many prudes in the US who will complain incredibly loudly. Would you really want to see Meat get barbecued at the stake?
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16 Jan 2011, 13:28 | #96 |
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good point!
But given that to even get the album into some stores in the US the track had to be removed, it would be an odd choice for a single imo if Meat's intention was to try for a hit with a single. Even with a possible aim of getting a younger demographic, surely you'd want to maximise sales and get airtime. In the USA it could alienate swathes of middle-America, and would be less likely to get airplay. The kind of negative publicity it could attract, whilst it may benefit some rappers, could well mitigate against sales of a new Meat Loaf album, which I'd have expected Meat to want to sell to the widest demographic. At this stage in his career I'd have thought he'd want to ADD a younger market whilst maintaining his existing one. Caryl |
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16 Jan 2011, 14:01 | #98 |
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Hmmmm. well whatever the record company decides, hopefully some more 2010 live tracks (IE the Boneyard Medley or Took the Words) or a Case De Carne recording of Bad For Good as a b-side.
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I wonder how many people on the forum you have insulted with that one....
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NIN...That is definitely cool! The Fragile is one of the best concept albums of all times, but it takes a while to enter in this Reznorish world. It failed commercially. .. Cant wait to hear that next Meat album!!
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