Where's The Doode?

[suzieq]

Originally Posted by Rage Against

Why does the site need balance? This is a fan site, not a political blog.

IMO I think some people have the mentality that too many Positive Polly's make it boring. At least that's what the shoutbox implied the last time this topic came up.

[A Slice Of English]

Because balance keeps us all sane.

[Wario]

it sure does. i make sure everythings balanced with polls
Party when TheDoode gets back? Ill bring the pepsi

[Pudding]

Originally Posted by Rage Against

Why does the site need balance? This is a fan site, not a political blog.

Like politics you'll always find fans who are loopy left or radical right. Those who are fans of the music and those who are fans of the artist. If people didn't have a difference of opinion then what a boring world it would be.

What I find really interesting when we talk about balance is. When Bat3 was released there was a few people who didn't like it for whatever reason (like me) I and others got almost driven out of town for our views because this is a 'fan site' and if we didn't like it, then we should basically f*ck off and weren't 'true fans'. Yet it seems now that we were right because Meat Loaf himself has said he doesn't like Bat3. Now I ask you, when the artist is agreeing with what the 'other side' are saying, albeit a few years later, then the opposite view of what the general populous are saying might not be so wrong and might be worth a listen

[Sue K]

Originally Posted by Pudding

If people didn't have a difference of opinion then what a boring world it would be.

oh... to have a nickel for every time i've read that line on the internet ... ...

What I find really interesting when we talk about balance is. When Bat3 was released there was a few people who didn't like it for whatever reason (like me) I and others got almost driven out of town for our views because this is a 'fan site' and if we didn't like it, then we should basically f*ck off and weren't 'true fans'. Yet it seems now that we were right because Meat Loaf himself has said he doesn't like Bat3. Now I ask you, when the artist is agreeing with what the 'other side' are saying, albeit a few years later, then the opposite view of what the general populous are saying might not be so wrong and might be worth a listen

i liked Bat3 then ... and i still like Bat3 ... despite what Meat says ... it's my favorite Bat ... Meat's saying he doesn't like it is bothersome but not crippling to my psyche ... imo he should look at it as i do ... it's the album of my adult angst ...

[Evil One]

Originally Posted by tink

despite what Meat says ... it's my favorite Bat

You think it's better than Bat 1 or Bat 2?

[Sue K]

Originally Posted by Evil One

You think it's better than Bat 1 or Bat 2?

who can define universally "better" ? ... i think it's opinion... y'know ?... i like the songs ... i like the sound of Meat's voice... i'm not that fond of the sound of his voice on the studio Bat 1 and prefer live cuts of the Bat 1 songs... ie ... those featured on Live Around The World ... Rock & Roll Hero ... and some other compilations ...

i wasn't aware of a "Meat Loaf" until he was promoting Bat 2 ... i heard an interview on the Howard Stern radio show back in 1993 maybe ? ... what Meat was saying was interesting to me ... what caught my ear was his talking about being in Hair ... that's of my AND his generation ... i guess that's why my ear tuned in ... then a clip of AFL was played... i found it interesting ... then some time later i saw the video on tv ... and remembered that this was the guy interviewed by Howard Stern ... loved the sound of the song ... found the video interesting ... couldn't quite get a good look at the guy until the end... when the hood is removed... and BAM ... hooked for life... on the look of the man ... and the music ... so... it's the total package for me ... i look forward to seeing Meat in films... concert... and always to a new cd ... no matter who writes the tunes ... or who produces ... so... all that said... Bat 3 speaks to me and my life more than the teenage-angst tone of the other Bats ... i'm also a big fan of WTTN and CHSIB... i like them better than studio Bats 1 and 2 ... and if you've hung in this far... lol ... thanks for listening... and don't be too mean to what i said ... ... lol ...

[Evil One]

When have I ever been mean?

I do agree with a small bit of what you've said in that on the whole most of the Bat 1 songs are much better live than on the album. Bat 2 songs on the other hand are mostly better on the album than live. I thought the idea of Bat 2 was to be adult-ish instead of teen-angst?

[Sue K]

Originally Posted by Evil One

I thought the idea of Bat 2 was to be adult-ish instead of teen-angst?

yes ... you're probably right the more i think about it ... (not too much right now... i'm a bit in a hurry ... ) but i'll take a look/ listen and get back to you about my feelings on the age-tone of Bat 2 ... perhaps we'll settle on "middle-age" angst ? ... lol ...

[Rage Against]

Originally Posted by Pudding

Like politics you'll always find fans who are loopy left or radical right. Those who are fans of the music and those who are fans of the artist. If people didn't have a difference of opinion then what a boring world it would be.

What I find really interesting when we talk about balance is. When Bat3 was released there was a few people who didn't like it for whatever reason (like me) I and others got almost driven out of town for our views because this is a 'fan site' and if we didn't like it, then we should basically f*ck off and weren't 'true fans'. Yet it seems now that we were right because Meat Loaf himself has said he doesn't like Bat3. Now I ask you, when the artist is agreeing with what the 'other side' are saying, albeit a few years later, then the opposite view of what the general populous are saying might not be so wrong and might be worth a listen

As long as the other side, every once and a while, says something positive about something. The thread "Bat III is a good album" has more than half the posts discussing what's wrong with the album. The thread is "...good album", not "...what's wrong with the album".

[loaferman61]

Originally Posted by suzieq

IMO I think some people have the mentality that too many Positive Polly's make it boring. At least that's what the shoutbox implied the last time this topic came up.

This is true. Goodness knows how many honest posts I've had in mind that were not really negative, but did not hit the post button because I know even the slightest hint of certain things is going to set off a certain segment on here. It can be a bit stifling. I will probably regret posting this as well.

[A Slice Of English]

You're just being honest Loaferman, and shouldn't have to apologise for that. It's when honesty becomes abusive or harsh that people can justifiably get their noses out of joint. Unfortunately, on this site you will indeed find yourself stifled by those people who feel anything but positivity on a fan site is unwelcome and should not be posted.

As long as the other side, every once and a while, says something positive about something. The thread "Bat III is a good album" has more than half the posts discussing what's wrong with the album. The thread is "...good album", not "...what's wrong with the album".

This thread you are referring to is someone's opinion about the album, opening up the floor for a valid discussion. By saying "You can only post in a thread about what's good about Bat 3 if that's all the opening post is about" is a bunch of nonsense. How can there be legitimate discussion about what people found good and bad about an album if you're not allowed to say what you think was bad without starting a new thread saying "Bat 3 is a bad album, because..."?

Utterly ridiculous. Yet again.

[Rage Against]

Originally Posted by A Slice Of English

You're just being honest Loaferman, and shouldn't have to apologise for that. It's when honesty becomes abusive or harsh that people can justifiably get their noses out of joint. Unfortunately, on this site you will indeed find yourself stifled by those people who feel anything but positivity on a fan site is unwelcome and should not be posted.



This thread you are referring to is someone's opinion about the album, opening up the floor for a valid discussion. By saying "You can only post in a thread about what's good about Bat 3 if that's all the opening post is about" is a bunch of nonsense. How can there be legitimate discussion about what people found good and bad about an album if you're not allowed to say what you think was bad without starting a new thread saying "Bat 3 is a bad album, because..."?

Utterly ridiculous. Yet again.

So why does almost every thread turn negative?

I can respect the guy sitting next to me at the home team's football game; who's cheering on the home team but then boo's when the home team's coach makes a bad decision. But what if a "fan" shows up decked out in the home team colors and then spends the entire game booing everything? Does that make being a fan of that team fun or enjoyable.

And you proved my point, because you couldn't resist taking your shot with the last sentence. Now that's being positive!

[PanicLord]

I agree with English - hope Doode comes back as he seemed enthusiastic and I shared his sense of humour.

Not convinced the site needs balance as such imho - we just all need to be able to say what we really think without getting jumped on while taking responsibility for how we phrase our posts so that they're not deliberately inflammatory.

Lol - just re-read the last paragraph. Guess that's quite a good definition of balance! In that case, gimme balance.

[loaferman61]

Originally Posted by A Slice Of English

You're just being honest Loaferman, and shouldn't have to apologise for that. It's when honesty becomes abusive or harsh that people can justifiably get their noses out of joint. Unfortunately, on this site you will indeed find yourself stifled by those people who feel anything but positivity on a fan site is unwelcome and should not be posted.



This thread you are referring to is someone's opinion about the album, opening up the floor for a valid discussion. By saying "You can only post in a thread about what's good about Bat 3 if that's all the opening post is about" is a bunch of nonsense. How can there be legitimate discussion about what people found good and bad about an album if you're not allowed to say what you think was bad without starting a new thread saying "Bat 3 is a bad album, because..."?

Utterly ridiculous. Yet again.

Good points. I like to be as positive as the next guy, but to always be positive is just unrealistic as is having any concern that someone will take an honest comment the wrong way just because it wasn't what they think belongs on a "fan site". I like the vast majority of Meat's work and am a huge fan since the very beginning, but sometimes this site feels stifling and that is just how I feel. I think half the people who this would apply to would not even see it in themselves. I think this site expects you to either wear blinders or rose-colored glasses with no in between. Unfair? Maybe, but that is how I see it.

[daveake]

Originally Posted by PanicLord

Not convinced the site needs balance as such imho - we just all need to be able to say what we really think without getting jumped on while taking responsibility for how we phrase our posts so that they're not deliberately inflammatory.

Exactly.

[A Slice Of English]

Rage, you make it sound like EVERYTHING posted by some people is negative, but the fact is you choose to take stock of ONLY the negative stuff or whatever you perceive to be negative and then throw it back at people saying "How can you be a fan when you're booing things". That in itself is inflammatory to some people. Of course I can be a fan and still not like certain things, that doesn't mean I'm negative. People can dislike the album, that doesn't make them negative. There is no black and white with these things and your attempts at point scoring really, really don't help matters.

[Pudding]

Originally Posted by A Slice Of English

Rage, you make it sound like EVERYTHING posted by some people is negative, but the fact is you choose to take stock of ONLY the negative stuff or whatever you perceive to be negative and then throw it back at people saying "How can you be a fan when you're booing things". That in itself is inflammatory to some people. Of course I can be a fan and still not like certain things, that doesn't mean I'm negative. People can dislike the album, that doesn't make them negative. There is no black and white with these things and your attempts at point scoring really, really don't help matters.

Absolutely. I've posted more positive than negative things about Meat yet I get jumped on for being negative when I don't talk about MEat in a Godlike fashion. Ah well, I'll keep voicing my unbiased balanced opinion

[stretch37]

I can no longer stay quiet on this matter. My view is fairly simple, and i think there are several people who will agree.

I've been reading this forum since 2006, and have been involved with a large amount of great discussion involving Meat. The discussion has become heated - threads closed numerous times. But we all are able to bounce back and laugh at it. I see this time as different. The diverse group of comments have disappeared and I miss the humor in the posts, and the relaxed feeling of this place. I'm saddened. I see only a small group of outspoken individuals posting the majority of the time.

...Why?

It, again, seems simple to me. There are individuals on this forum who think that they can say whatever they want and they expect all of us to simply 'deal with it'. They have little regard for how it effects others feelings on this forum.

The vast majority of us, myself included, generally choose to not comment. Because when I post on this forum, I think about how others will be effected by my post and I adjust it accordingly. it is obvious that several people right now do not care about me in return.

I coming closer to saying that I am done with this place. The bullies are becoming in control and I feel that I have no place here anymore.

For those of you who have been pushing for thoughtfully worded opinions, and common courtesy, I'd like to say thanks for voicing your opinion and allowing yourself to be scrutinized. It has helped me find my voice and stand up for what I believe in.

Matt.

Originally Posted by A Slice Of English

Rage, you make it sound like EVERYTHING posted by some people is negative, but the fact is you choose to take stock of ONLY the negative stuff or whatever you perceive to be negative and then throw it back at people saying "How can you be a fan when you're booing things". That in itself is inflammatory to some people. Of course I can be a fan and still not like certain things, that doesn't mean I'm negative. People can dislike the album, that doesn't make them negative. There is no black and white with these things and your attempts at point scoring really, really don't help matters.

[Rage Against]

Originally Posted by A Slice Of English

Rage, you make it sound like EVERYTHING posted by some people is negative,

That's reality with certain people.

[A Slice Of English]

Originally Posted by Rage Against

That's reality with certain people.

You just keep reading the parts you want to read, Rage.

And Stretch, I have always been courteous about other peoples opinions until it comes to personal attacks or discussions on what you "HAVE" to do to be considered a fan around here. I think some people need to back the hell off from those people who MAY have an OPINION contrary to their own instead of jumping all over them accusing them of being negative ALL the time.

I say this again:

1) You may not like the new direction Meat has taken.
2) You may not like some of the promo that has been done or the way it was done.
3) You may not like the new album

But it does NOT mean you can't be a Meat Loaf fan if you agree with the above 3 statements, and I wish people would simply accept that. I DO love the new album, more than anything since Bat 2 but that's my opinion and I can accept Pud's opinion and other peoples opinion that they DON'T like it and WHY they don't like it, without having to question their credentials as a fan. THAT is what I find offensive, and I don't even fall in that supposed category of people!! The fact that those who don't like the new album are making posts questioning certain topics such as sales and the albums success is NOT, from what I have seen, intended to be a DIG at anyone, least of all the man himself and how anyone can think that what is being said by those people who don't like the album can amount to inflammatory remarks is beyond me, because they clearly, clearly aren't.

And if people think they are, then that is what the mods are there for and the posts should be reported instead of peoples characters being questioned and rubbished.

[AndyK]

Originally Posted by A Slice Of English

And if people think they are, then that is what the mods are there for and the posts should be reported instead of peoples characters being questioned and rubbished.

That bears repeating

[duke knooby]

Originally Posted by AndyK

That bears repeating

don't have bear for lunch then

[Monstro]

pmsl!!!!

[daveake]

Originally Posted by duke knooby

don't have bear for lunch then

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