BOOH SACD...

Kev · 03 Nov 2007, 11:45

How fantastic is this!!! I've never heard it before!!! Its fantastic!

Puddin, you're my new hero!

Also, I got the SACD version of CHSIB and it didn't focus on the vocals like this one is...

Anyone else got either?

evil nickname · 03 Nov 2007, 12:00

If it is what I think it is, it's just the audio from the center speaker. On the actual CD, all the other instruments will be available.

Kev · 03 Nov 2007, 12:03

Is it? I dunno? I'm just enjoying the vocals being the main part.

Is SACD one section from each speaker? ie vocals one, guitar another, drums another?

AndrewG · 03 Nov 2007, 12:09

How come Patti's vocals have ended up on Paradise? Or am I wrong?
Certainly sounds like Patti.
Listen to 1.11 and 6.30, that's Patti not Ellen Foley!

Worse is around the 5 minute mark someone seems to have taken the tremendous amount of effort of intermixing Patti's vocals with Elen's. That's crazy! Is this the official mix? Why did they (have) to do this?

Also where did those vocal only parts from Patti come from? I can't see it being from a live show as usually they play Paradise in a lower key (like Bat and Anything for Love). I'd be interested in more vocal only parts as it would be fun to do redo the full Bat album at some point (ie new backing track with original vocals).

I've just listened to this again by layering the original track with the SACD one. That really has to be Patti, but for some reason they have taken very much care in trying to get Patti sing EXACTLY what Ellen is, you can hear differences mostly in the texture of their voices of course however around about 6.30 when they sing "I gotta know right NOW", you can hear Ellen's voice is naturally more raw at that part whereas Patti is straining more and only getting the raw bit onto the word "Now". This is really bizarre. Was there some kinda problem with the quality of Ellen's track and that's why they secretly redid parts with Patti for the SACD release ????

evil nickname · 03 Nov 2007, 12:44

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Originally Posted by icwuke

Is it? I dunno? I'm just enjoying the vocals being the main part.

Is SACD one section from each speaker? ie vocals one, guitar another, drums another?

On this SACD there is, as you know, a 5.1 surround mix. From what I'm told (I have no surround system as I believe music sounds best in stereo), in this case, the vocals and some instrumentation is mixed mainly to the center speaker, which would mean that the other instrumentation is played over the other 4 channels and the subwoofer.
As far as I know, the other instruments aren't mixed to an individual speaker, as that would sound quite, ehm, bad.

Also, you try to isolate your center speaker (like, unplug the other ones) while playing the CHSIB-SACD, to see if it has a similar mix.

evil nickname · 03 Nov 2007, 13:01

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Originally Posted by AndrewG

How come Patti's vocals have ended up on Paradise? Or am I wrong?

Holy sweet mother of all that's bright and shiny, you're right.

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Was there some kinda problem with the quality of Ellen's track and that's why they secretly redid parts with Patti for the SACD release ????

That's the only reason I can imagine: that they were somehow unable to use Ellen's vocals for those parts. Also, you'd notice that most of the female vocals must be on some other channel, as they're nowhere to be heard.

Weird.

Kev · 03 Nov 2007, 13:01

that sounds top, i'll try that when home!

It really is patti too! well spotted!

**RadioMaster** · 03 Nov 2007, 13:10

indeed it is awesome....makes you notice even more how great his voice was...

meatloaf-unofficial · 03 Nov 2007, 13:50

cool, I'll download it now.... I have never heard a SACD before

What others are available in that formatt?

**RadioMaster** · 03 Nov 2007, 13:58

you dont hear the SACD you just get the centre track, which is (most of the time) vocals only

meatloaf-unofficial · 03 Nov 2007, 14:05

I know and its cool.... You hear reall how much meat put in deffinatly on All Revved up at the end segmant....

WhenItComes2LovingU · 03 Nov 2007, 16:02

@ AndrewG: It might be that on first listen, on a rougher vocal only track I attempted to make, Ellen's vocals aren't the best in the world. With the full mix, everyone sounds great, but on vocals only, Ellen is mostly scream and flat a good deal of the time. By comparison, the Patti vocal track is on key and raw-sounding.

**RadioMaster** · 03 Nov 2007, 16:19

holy sh!t...that IS Patti!

its most obvious on the first "aint no doubt about it..." line

Anyone actually owning the SACD? I'd be interested if something is mentioned in the liner notes and if there's actually more re-done vocals on this.

listening to the whole song its really obvious she re-did the vocals...whats interesting is that its mostly only single words or phrases toward the end of a line, before it cuts back to the original vocal track.

meatloaf-unofficial · 03 Nov 2007, 16:56

the first bit where the female vocals comes in "Ain't no doubt about it..." sounds really like Patti but as you listen to the "stop right there" it sounds as if it ins't patti at all.

Have they maybe mixed hers with Karle or does she sound like Patti?

I too would be interested to see what it says in the credit notes, so if anyone has that, please can they look it up?

**RadioMaster** · 03 Nov 2007, 18:26

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Originally Posted by meatloaf-unofficial

the first bit where the female vocals comes in "Ain't no doubt about it..." sounds really like Patti but as you listen to the "stop right there" it sounds as if it ins't patti at all.

Have they maybe mixed hers with Karle or does she sound like Patti?

I too would be interested to see what it says in the credit notes, so if anyone has that, please can they look it up?

Quote:

Originally Posted by RadioMaster

holy sh!t...that IS Patti!

its most obvious on the first "aint no doubt about it..." line

Anyone actually owning the SACD? I'd be interested if something is mentioned in the liner notes and if there's actually more re-done vocals on this.

listening to the whole song its really obvious she re-did the vocals...whats interesting is that its mostly only single words or phrases toward the end of a line, before it cuts back to the original vocal track.

DazLoaf01 · 03 Nov 2007, 18:45

Is Patti on the stereo mix from the same SACD? I believe its 5.1 surround on one side, and stereo on the other.

duke knooby · 03 Nov 2007, 19:01

i thought it was a hybrid

WhenItComes2LovingU · 03 Nov 2007, 20:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by RadioMaster

holy sh!t...that IS Patti!

its most obvious on the first "aint no doubt about it..." line

Anyone actually owning the SACD? I'd be interested if something is mentioned in the liner notes and if there's actually more re-done vocals on this.

listening to the whole song its really obvious she re-did the vocals...whats interesting is that its mostly only single words or phrases toward the end of a line, before it cuts back to the original vocal track.

Not quite on the last bit, there are portions that are still Ellen, though it is clear where it's her and where it's Patti. I wonder if this is the only mix that used this vocal track, as BOOH has been re-released several times since the SACD edition.

**RadioMaster** · 03 Nov 2007, 20:57

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Originally Posted by WhenItComes2LovingU

Not quite on the last bit, there are portions that are still Ellen, though it is clear where it's her and where it's Patti.

yep, thats what I meant

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I wonder if this is the only mix that used this vocal track, as BOOH has been re-released several times since the SACD edition.

i rather doubt it was used on other mixes, as (apparenatly) they just needed patti's vocals to cover up ellens screw ups on the vocal-only track
no need to use her for stereo mixes with all the instruments, etc coming through the same channels.

evil nickname · 03 Nov 2007, 21:27

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Originally Posted by RadioMaster

ellens scew ups

**RadioMaster** · 03 Nov 2007, 21:52

sorry typo, scRew ups

evil nickname · 03 Nov 2007, 22:19

Duh. And still, what screw ups?

Admittedly, I can't stand Paradise, but I never noticed any screw ups on Ellen's behalf. That it was for whatever reason necessary to fix some tiny parts for the surround mix does not meat that Ellen screwed up.

**RadioMaster** · 03 Nov 2007, 22:27

i wasnt noticing any screw ups either, was just referring to earlier posts in this thread stating that the reason for the re-done voclas might be scew ups not noticable with the full instrumentation.
ok, maybe screw ups is a bit too harsh for a flat note, but you get what I mean.

DazLoaf01 · 03 Nov 2007, 23:47

More likely that certain parts of the original multi-tracks couldn't be located, and that Patti's voice was used as a substitute. A similar thing happened with the DVD-A release of Queen's "The Game" album, where certain backing vocals of the song "Coming Soon" couldn't be found, so they used alternate takes instead.

Pudding · 04 Nov 2007, 00:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by icwuke

Puddin, you're my new hero!

Who was your old hero..LOL

Thanks shouldn't be directed at me, as I'm just the bitch-in-the-middle

Pud

03 Nov 2007, 11:45	#1
Kev Just Kev Join Date: 01.06.2003 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 1,857	BOOH SACD... How fantastic is this!!! I've never heard it before!!! Its fantastic! Puddin, you're my new hero! Also, I got the SACD version of CHSIB and it didn't focus on the vocals like this one is... Anyone else got either? Last edited by Kev; 03 Nov 2007 at 11:51.

03 Nov 2007, 12:09	#4
AndrewG I hope your salmon sucks! Join Date: 18.01.2004 Location: Northamptonshire Posts: 7,084	How come Patti's vocals have ended up on Paradise? Or am I wrong? Certainly sounds like Patti. Listen to 1.11 and 6.30, that's Patti not Ellen Foley! Worse is around the 5 minute mark someone seems to have taken the tremendous amount of effort of intermixing Patti's vocals with Elen's. That's crazy! Is this the official mix? Why did they (have) to do this? Also where did those vocal only parts from Patti come from? I can't see it being from a live show as usually they play Paradise in a lower key (like Bat and Anything for Love). I'd be interested in more vocal only parts as it would be fun to do redo the full Bat album at some point (ie new backing track with original vocals). I've just listened to this again by layering the original track with the SACD one. That really has to be Patti, but for some reason they have taken very much care in trying to get Patti sing EXACTLY what Ellen is, you can hear differences mostly in the texture of their voices of course however around about 6.30 when they sing "I gotta know right NOW", you can hear Ellen's voice is naturally more raw at that part whereas Patti is straining more and only getting the raw bit onto the word "Now". This is really bizarre. Was there some kinda problem with the quality of Ellen's track and that's why they secretly redid parts with Patti for the SACD release ???? Last edited by AndrewG; 03 Nov 2007 at 12:47.

03 Nov 2007, 12:00	#2
evil nickname Guest Join Date: 19.04.2003 Posts: 2,238	If it is what I think it is, it's just the audio from the center speaker. On the actual CD, all the other instruments will be available.

03 Nov 2007, 12:03	#3
Kev Just Kev Join Date: 01.06.2003 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 1,857	Is it? I dunno? I'm just enjoying the vocals being the main part. Is SACD one section from each speaker? ie vocals one, guitar another, drums another?

03 Nov 2007, 13:01	#7
Kev Just Kev Join Date: 01.06.2003 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 1,857	that sounds top, i'll try that when home! It really is patti too! well spotted!

03 Nov 2007, 13:10	#8
RadioMaster The German Join Date: 11.03.2006 Location: some kind of hunting lodge for rich weirdos... Posts: 15,778	indeed it is awesome....makes you notice even more how great his voice was...

03 Nov 2007, 13:50	#9
meatloaf-unofficial Mega Loafer Join Date: 06.02.2006 Location: Touring the Country Posts: 2,558	cool, I'll download it now.... I have never heard a SACD before What others are available in that formatt?

03 Nov 2007, 13:58	#10
RadioMaster The German Join Date: 11.03.2006 Location: some kind of hunting lodge for rich weirdos... Posts: 15,778	you dont hear the SACD you just get the centre track, which is (most of the time) vocals only

03 Nov 2007, 14:05	#11
meatloaf-unofficial Mega Loafer Join Date: 06.02.2006 Location: Touring the Country Posts: 2,558	I know and its cool.... You hear reall how much meat put in deffinatly on All Revved up at the end segmant....

03 Nov 2007, 16:02	#12
WhenItComes2LovingU Banned Join Date: 16.01.2006 Posts: 303	@ AndrewG: It might be that on first listen, on a rougher vocal only track I attempted to make, Ellen's vocals aren't the best in the world. With the full mix, everyone sounds great, but on vocals only, Ellen is mostly scream and flat a good deal of the time. By comparison, the Patti vocal track is on key and raw-sounding.

03 Nov 2007, 16:19	#13
RadioMaster The German Join Date: 11.03.2006 Location: some kind of hunting lodge for rich weirdos... Posts: 15,778	holy sh!t...that IS Patti! its most obvious on the first "aint no doubt about it..." line Anyone actually owning the SACD? I'd be interested if something is mentioned in the liner notes and if there's actually more re-done vocals on this. listening to the whole song its really obvious she re-did the vocals...whats interesting is that its mostly only single words or phrases toward the end of a line, before it cuts back to the original vocal track.

03 Nov 2007, 16:56	#14
meatloaf-unofficial Mega Loafer Join Date: 06.02.2006 Location: Touring the Country Posts: 2,558	the first bit where the female vocals comes in "Ain't no doubt about it..." sounds really like Patti but as you listen to the "stop right there" it sounds as if it ins't patti at all. Have they maybe mixed hers with Karle or does she sound like Patti? I too would be interested to see what it says in the credit notes, so if anyone has that, please can they look it up?

03 Nov 2007, 18:45	#16
DazLoaf01 Super Loafer Join Date: 28.06.2003 Location: Devon, UK Posts: 455	Is Patti on the stereo mix from the same SACD? I believe its 5.1 surround on one side, and stereo on the other.

03 Nov 2007, 19:01	#17
duke knooby Mega Loafer Join Date: 24.06.2005 Location: belfast Posts: 17,909	i thought it was a hybrid

03 Nov 2007, 21:52	#21
RadioMaster The German Join Date: 11.03.2006 Location: some kind of hunting lodge for rich weirdos... Posts: 15,778	sorry typo, scRew ups

03 Nov 2007, 22:19	#22
evil nickname Guest Join Date: 19.04.2003 Posts: 2,238	Duh. And still, what screw ups? Admittedly, I can't stand Paradise, but I never noticed any screw ups on Ellen's behalf. That it was for whatever reason necessary to fix some tiny parts for the surround mix does not meat that Ellen screwed up.

03 Nov 2007, 22:27	#23
RadioMaster The German Join Date: 11.03.2006 Location: some kind of hunting lodge for rich weirdos... Posts: 15,778	i wasnt noticing any screw ups either, was just referring to earlier posts in this thread stating that the reason for the re-done voclas might be scew ups not noticable with the full instrumentation. ok, maybe screw ups is a bit too harsh for a flat note, but you get what I mean.

03 Nov 2007, 23:47	#24
DazLoaf01 Super Loafer Join Date: 28.06.2003 Location: Devon, UK Posts: 455	More likely that certain parts of the original multi-tracks couldn't be located, and that Patti's voice was used as a substitute. A similar thing happened with the DVD-A release of Queen's "The Game" album, where certain backing vocals of the song "Coming Soon" couldn't be found, so they used alternate takes instead.