Box set - Page 2

**The Flying Mouse** · 22 Oct 2006, 21:43

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Originally Posted by ray-loaf

just heard Meat on locol radio. he said theres gona be a box set with all 3 Bat, plus rehearsal recordings and material from Jim and Desmond. didnt say when its released tho

Thanks for the heads up Ray, and welcome to mlukfc

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Originally Posted by AndrewG

yup a few more songs and I read somewhere we may see the original 27 minute version of Paradise.

Oh yes

mszee · 22 Oct 2006, 22:27

Well, certainly can't wait for that one...

**RadioMaster** · 22 Oct 2006, 22:37

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Originally Posted by mszee

Well, certainly can't wait for that one...

yep!

ray-loaf · 22 Oct 2006, 23:38

the interview was on lincs fm 102.2. not checked their website to see if its downloadable yet. Meat n Marion where on for 30 mins. played iacbtmn, yttwroomm and iwdafl. the guy asked Meat about Bat 4. Meat said that in 13 years time, he wants to be fishing or sat on his porch shooting racoons from the trees.

heat · 22 Oct 2006, 23:49

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Originally Posted by ray-loaf

the guy asked Meat about Bat 4. Meat said that in 13 years time, he wants to be fishing or sat on his porch shooting racoons from the trees.

Vickip · 23 Oct 2006, 00:39

evil nickname · 23 Oct 2006, 01:26

Why does everybody always tend to forget that "you can't demo Bat Out Of Hell"?
So unless that statement isn't exactly true (which it can't be, because Meat wouldn't lie, now would he?), one must assume that there are no demos, and that that 27 minute version of Paradise doesn't exist either.

Bohemian · 23 Oct 2006, 01:36

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Originally Posted by evil nickname

Why does everybody always tend to forget that "you can't demo Bat Out Of Hell"?
So unless that statement isn't exactly true (which it can't be, because Meat wouldn't lie, now would he?), one must assume that there are no demos, and that that 27 minute version of Paradise doesn't exist either.

Yeah I've never for one second thought that the "27 minute version of Paradise" actually exists.

And if it did it would be terrible. 27 minutes of WHAT exactly??

I'm just glad Meat's talking about this project again to keep my hopes up for new Jim / Meat material. I was beginning to think it was looking like it wouldn't actually be happening.

Moonlight shadow · 23 Oct 2006, 01:54

This things sounds very well, anyway...
I want more! mooooore!!!

**Monstro** · 23 Oct 2006, 04:02

I would think that this would just be a Meat & Jim box set covering all three albums and hopefully the odds and sods on the others but I totally agree that sooner or later there needs to be a complete set of all demos from all the albums.

A complete set would save us scouring all over the place trying to find them lol

Blackkat13 · 23 Oct 2006, 05:50

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Originally Posted by Juan Llanos

And there's not news about a DVD with ALL Meat's video, and I say ALL, even for Bad Attitude and The Very Best... with ALL the videos... this is what we need.

I Agree They Should release a DVD with all the videos on it

RSG · 23 Oct 2006, 16:27

If Meat wants to make another record, all the effing power to him. Lets enjoy Bat 3, hopefully a live dvd, and possibility of a boxset for now =D That's all I can. Wicked, I'm glad Meat Is feeling great! Just happens, when you think good thoughts, you feel good thoughts =D

batcity · 23 Oct 2006, 18:04

27 min version of Paradise may exist, before Bat Out Of Hell came out they made the song longer. When Todd came on board for the recording of Bat 1 and heard it, he shortened the song to 8 min something... cause the longer version was more like a musical than a rock song

**RadioMaster** · 23 Oct 2006, 18:28

all in all there must be a version (of every booh song) which Todd could cut, so there MUST be the 27min paradise.
I believe the you-can-demo-a-booh-song statement was meant that you cant take a short bit to play it to someone so he understands the whole song. You have to listen to the whole song or nothing, a 2 or 3 minute demo doesnt work.

So lets say that wont be the demos, lets say it will be the pre-todding-versions

ray-loaf · 23 Oct 2006, 20:00

the interview can be heard here, www.lincsfm.co.uk
click on the 'weekly podcast'. can listen online. its about 3/4 towards the end, just move the bar along to skip the other drivel, lol
thanks for the welcome by the way. oh yes, aint the album great?

M.Bison · 23 Oct 2006, 21:00

I would love to see a DVD of all the videos, practically all we see on TV nowadays is Anything For Love and more recently All Coming Back To Me Now. I hope that this box set features some special preproduction songs like the talked about 27 minute version of Paradise and possibly some songs that were slated to be on the albums that never made the final cut.

**RadioMaster** · 23 Oct 2006, 21:08

all videos.......many times discussed but because of the many many different labels hardly possible

although someting like a Hits out of hell 2 would be cool

RSG · 23 Oct 2006, 22:03

Yeh A Hits Outta Hell Part 2

Excluding any videos appeared in The early 90s one.

KebLou · 23 Oct 2006, 23:26

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Originally Posted by evil nickname

Why does everybody always tend to forget that "you can't demo Bat Out Of Hell"?
So unless that statement isn't exactly true (which it can't be, because Meat wouldn't lie, now would he?), one must assume that there are no demos, and that that 27 minute version of Paradise doesn't exist either.

But didn't Meat say that before Todd produced Bat Out Of Hell they had recorded a 27 minute version of Paradise, which was the original and then Todd went along and cut bits out of it to bring it down to a more respectable size.

I might have got a little confused on parts though

Bohemian · 24 Oct 2006, 09:14

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Originally Posted by Keb

But didn't Meat say that before Todd produced Bat Out Of Hell they had recorded a 27 minute version of Paradise, which was the original and then Todd went along and cut bits out of it to bring it down to a more respectable size.

Yeah, probably.

He also said that Bat was written for the movie Psycho, that IACBTMN was always meant to be a duet and be on bat 3 and was only given to Celine via a "smart aleck" publisher, despite jim clearly taking legal action against Meat to stop him from releasing it in 95 in order for celine to do so, that he and Desmond translated the lyrics of Seize the night from german despite Jim having originally written them in English and them being the ones they used. ETC.

A good story told to entertain and move stock is just that.

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Originally Posted by RadioMaster

all in all there must be a version (of every booh song) which Todd could cut, so there MUST be the 27min paradise.

HAHAHA. I love your logic. Well obviously it was longer than 8 minutes before Todd arranged it, so it MUST have been 27 minutes!!

At any rate, enough of that. we all agree that some sort of box set with cool stuff is no bad thing :).

**RadioMaster** · 24 Oct 2006, 13:14

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Originally Posted by Bohemian

HAHAHA. I love your logic. Well obviously it was longer than 8 minutes before Todd arranged it, so it MUST have been 27 minutes!!

At any rate, enough of that. we all agree that some sort of box set with cool stuff is no bad thing :).

If you wanna take it that way, would you be happy if I say that there must have been a pre-toddig-version, no matter of length, which is different to the version we know?

btw, I dont see any cause why Meat should tell the 27 min paradise story if it wasnt true, Jim is known for writing songs of a unbelievable length, and differently to the other "stories", this is a main fact of the producing process of Bat out of Hell, if there wasnt such a 27min version then there would have been no reason for labels to dont publish the album, but THESE SONG LENGTHS are one very important cause of that.
Sure, it can be 15 min or 23 or even 34, but that doesnt change the facts!!

DazLoaf01 · 24 Oct 2006, 15:23

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Originally Posted by ray-loaf

the interview can be heard here, www.lincsfm.co.uk
click on the 'weekly podcast'. can listen online. its about 3/4 towards the end, just move the bar along to skip the other drivel, lol
thanks for the welcome by the way. oh yes, aint the album great?

Well found, thank you. Very interesting about the boxset!

evil nickname · 24 Oct 2006, 15:42

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Originally Posted by RadioMaster

I dont see any cause why Meat should tell the 27 min paradise story if it wasnt true

Yeah, 'cause everything Meat tells is true. It's a fact.

And if Meat only tells the "27 minute paradise" story because it's true, there should be no reason to doubt the "you can't demo Bat out of Hell" story, right?

Anyway, saying that Paradise was 27 minutes before it was recorded, does not necessarily mean that there is a recording of that earlier version.
I mean, if there was a demo, why would they perform live for every record executive?

**RadioMaster** · 24 Oct 2006, 16:39

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Originally Posted by evil nickname

Yeah, 'cause everything Meat tells is true. It's a fact.

I did not say that.

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And if Meat only tells the "27 minute paradise" story because it's true, there should be no reason to doubt the "you can't demo Bat out of Hell" story, right?

sarcasm?

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Anyway, saying that Paradise was 27 minutes before it was recorded, does not necessarily mean that there is a recording of that earlier version.
I mean, if there was a demo, why would they perform live for every record executive?

There has to be such a version cause they needed material which Todd could cut down to what it is now.
Or do you think they sang it live to Todd and Todd told them how to sing it differently and they did?

And THIS VERSION doesnt necessarily have to be a demo as they would call it. THEIR demo would be a shortened version of the song which includes everthing that makes to what it is, and THAT ISNT possible cause the structure is too complicated and there isnt one important hook that caracterizes the song.

PS: If you read my previous post again, you´ll see that I mentioned REASONS why this story should be true! I´m too lazy to post the whole stuff again.
I´m definitely not one of these people who think everything that Meat Loaf says must be true because he´s Meat Loaf.
Read it again and you´ll see that.

evil nickname · 24 Oct 2006, 17:26

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Originally Posted by RadioMaster

sarcasm?

You think?

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PS: If you read my previous post again, you´ll see that I mentioned REASONS why this story should be true!

I've seen those, but they didn't convinced me.

22 Oct 2006, 23:38	#29
ray-loaf Rookie Join Date: 20.05.2006 Location: Boston, Lincolnshire Posts: 17	lincs fm the interview was on lincs fm 102.2. not checked their website to see if its downloadable yet. Meat n Marion where on for 30 mins. played iacbtmn, yttwroomm and iwdafl. the guy asked Meat about Bat 4. Meat said that in 13 years time, he wants to be fishing or sat on his porch shooting racoons from the trees.

23 Oct 2006, 20:00	#40
ray-loaf Rookie Join Date: 20.05.2006 Location: Boston, Lincolnshire Posts: 17	listen to the interview. the interview can be heard here, www.lincsfm.co.uk click on the 'weekly podcast'. can listen online. its about 3/4 towards the end, just move the bar along to skip the other drivel, lol thanks for the welcome by the way. oh yes, aint the album great?

22 Oct 2006, 22:27	#27
mszee Mega Loafer Join Date: 29.03.2006 Location: And you think you're down under??? Posts: 26,252	Well, certainly can't wait for that one...

23 Oct 2006, 00:39	#31
Vickip Mega Loafer Join Date: 07.02.2003 Location: Posts: 8,101

23 Oct 2006, 01:26	#32
evil nickname Guest Join Date: 19.04.2003 Posts: 2,238	Why does everybody always tend to forget that "you can't demo Bat Out Of Hell"? So unless that statement isn't exactly true (which it can't be, because Meat wouldn't lie, now would he?), one must assume that there are no demos, and that that 27 minute version of Paradise doesn't exist either.

23 Oct 2006, 01:54	#34
Moonlight shadow Super Loafer Join Date: 27.11.2004 Location: Huelva Andalucia Spain Posts: 248	This things sounds very well, anyway... I want more! mooooore!!!

23 Oct 2006, 04:02	#35
Monstro Promoted to Wario's spellchecker Join Date: 17.09.2005 Location: London Posts: 12,947	I would think that this would just be a Meat & Jim box set covering all three albums and hopefully the odds and sods on the others but I totally agree that sooner or later there needs to be a complete set of all demos from all the albums. A complete set would save us scouring all over the place trying to find them lol

23 Oct 2006, 16:27	#37
RSG Mega Loafer Join Date: 27.07.2003 Location: Canada Posts: 3,296	If Meat wants to make another record, all the effing power to him. Lets enjoy Bat 3, hopefully a live dvd, and possibility of a boxset for now =D That's all I can. Wicked, I'm glad Meat Is feeling great! Just happens, when you think good thoughts, you feel good thoughts =D

23 Oct 2006, 18:04	#38
batcity Guest Join Date: 14.04.2002 Location: Posts: 751	27 min version of Paradise may exist, before Bat Out Of Hell came out they made the song longer. When Todd came on board for the recording of Bat 1 and heard it, he shortened the song to 8 min something... cause the longer version was more like a musical than a rock song

23 Oct 2006, 18:28	#39
RadioMaster The German Join Date: 11.03.2006 Location: some kind of hunting lodge for rich weirdos... Posts: 15,778	all in all there must be a version (of every booh song) which Todd could cut, so there MUST be the 27min paradise. I believe the you-can-demo-a-booh-song statement was meant that you cant take a short bit to play it to someone so he understands the whole song. You have to listen to the whole song or nothing, a 2 or 3 minute demo doesnt work. So lets say that wont be the demos, lets say it will be the pre-todding-versions

23 Oct 2006, 21:00	#41
M.Bison The Lurker in The Shadows Join Date: 03.12.2002 Location: Cork Posts: 209	I would love to see a DVD of all the videos, practically all we see on TV nowadays is Anything For Love and more recently All Coming Back To Me Now. I hope that this box set features some special preproduction songs like the talked about 27 minute version of Paradise and possibly some songs that were slated to be on the albums that never made the final cut.

23 Oct 2006, 21:08	#42
RadioMaster The German Join Date: 11.03.2006 Location: some kind of hunting lodge for rich weirdos... Posts: 15,778	all videos.......many times discussed but because of the many many different labels hardly possible although someting like a Hits out of hell 2 would be cool

23 Oct 2006, 22:03	#43
RSG Mega Loafer Join Date: 27.07.2003 Location: Canada Posts: 3,296	Yeh A Hits Outta Hell Part 2 Excluding any videos appeared in The early 90s one.