Bat Out Of Hell (Special Edition/+DVD) Released...

Kev · 07 Sep 2006, 18:34

October 30th 2006.

Just found this in the back end of our website.

Didn't take those *******s at Sony long to leech off Bat 3 did it...

I'll give you more information as I get it.

Kev · 07 Sep 2006, 18:36

88697010122 (cat)
0886970101226 (b/c)
released 30 Oct 2006
on Epic
distributed by
Arvato Services

http://www.townsend-records.co.uk/pr...04&pType=music

**The Flying Mouse** · 07 Sep 2006, 18:42

It's all good

Bat III will generate a lot more interest, and copies of the first Bat album will start to sell serious numbers again.

OK, so Sony wets their beak (what else is new) but the Bat will be flying high again

meatloaf-unofficial · 07 Sep 2006, 18:45

thats good - whats on the dvd though

**The Flying Mouse** · 07 Sep 2006, 18:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by meatloaf-unofficial

thats good - whats on the dvd though

If it's a CD/DVD combo, my money is that they are re hashing the 25th anniversary edition.

Just take off the 25, slap on a 30, and Bob's your uncle and Sally's your aunt

And again, this time in English, I think the DVD will be Hits Out Of Hell

Juan Llanos · 07 Sep 2006, 21:06

I have this one.... I don't renember... but I thing that I have more than 10 copies in CD of Bat1...

RSG · 07 Sep 2006, 23:34

Wy Not A Hits out of Hell Part 2

dukesofhazard · 07 Sep 2006, 23:50

It'll probably be the Bat Out Of Hell Classic Albums DVD (which has already been available for purchase seperately for ages) that comes with it

Kev · 08 Sep 2006, 00:12

Not a chance in hell, they're from different companies.

It will have to be something that Sony own the rights to.

Its nice wishing for something new, but Sony don't own anything new so it'll just be recycled stuff

Paul191 · 08 Sep 2006, 00:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by icwuke

Not a chance in hell, they're from different companies.

It will have to be something that Sony own the rights to.

Its nice wishing for something new, but Sony don't own anything new so it'll just be recycled stuff

What makes you think Meat or any other recording companies didn't give permission for them to create new stuff? New stuff is being released all the time and I can't see it stopping here.

therag2100 · 08 Sep 2006, 01:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by icwuke

Not a chance in hell, they're from different companies.

It will have to be something that Sony own the rights to.

Its nice wishing for something new, but Sony don't own anything new so it'll just be recycled stuff

Its true. i work closely with there music department and it is just the same old shit every year that gets rehashed. i mean.. just listen to the new kasabian album

samurai7 · 08 Sep 2006, 04:32

As was previously mentioned, it'll probably be the same as the 25th anniversary editon - the album on CD, bundled with the 'Hits Out Of Hell' DVD that most if us already own.

Kev · 08 Sep 2006, 10:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul191

What makes you think Meat or any other recording companies didn't give permission for them to create new stuff? New stuff is being released all the time and I can't see it stopping here.

Because it's very rare that happens. It happened with 'The Very Best Of...' because EMI/Virgin agreed to pass the right to the album (not their songs from Bat 2, WTTN and the 3 new ones from VBO) to Sony after 5 years.

Sony own Meats albums from Bat 1 to Meat Loaf Live, Virgin/EMI own Bat 2 - Bat 3 in the USA and up until VBO in the rest of the world (I think) and then Universal sub divisions have CHSIB - Bat 3.

See how complicated it gets?

There is no chance Sony are going to go out their way trying to get new material when they've got an album that has sold anywhere between 30 - 45 million copies already.

Once I get a track listing and whats on the DVD I'll post it here :)

Paul191 · 08 Sep 2006, 10:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by icwuke

Because it's very rare that happens. It happened with 'The Very Best Of...' because EMI/Virgin agreed to pass the right to the album (not their songs from Bat 2, WTTN and the 3 new ones from VBO) to Sony after 5 years.

Sony own Meats albums from Bat 1 to Meat Loaf Live, Virgin/EMI own Bat 2 - Bat 3 in the USA and up until VBO in the rest of the world (I think) and then Universal sub divisions have CHSIB - Bat 3.

See how complicated it gets?

There is no chance Sony are going to go out their way trying to get new material when they've got an album that has sold anywhere between 30 - 45 million copies already.

Once I get a track listing and whats on the DVD I'll post it here :)

In the end you may be correct but I still, 100%, disagree with you.

We should just wait and see because I'm a bit sick of people debating on things they know nothing about. In fact the only things we know are that it's going to be released on the 30th of October and what format it's going to be on.

Kev · 08 Sep 2006, 11:07

How do I know nothing about it? I'm the manager of a music store and work for a record label lol... I'd like you to point out a single fact I just stated that is wrong. :)

It will be the standard album with maybe a bonus track or two but I doubt that. Looking very much like a repackaged version of the BOOH/HOOH dvd.

Paul191 · 08 Sep 2006, 21:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by icwuke

How do I know nothing about it? I'm the manager of a music store and work for a record label lol... I'd like you to point out a single fact I just stated that is wrong. :)

It will be the standard album with maybe a bonus track or two but I doubt that. Looking very much like a repackaged version of the BOOH/HOOH dvd.

I don't care what your job is.... the fact is that you and everyone else are speculating!

Why don't we just wait for the thing to be released.

**The Flying Mouse** · 08 Sep 2006, 22:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by icwuke

Sony own Meats albums from Bat 1 to Meat Loaf Live, Virgin/EMI own Bat 2 - Bat 3 in the USA and up until VBO in the rest of the world (I think) and then Universal sub divisions have CHSIB - Bat 3.

See how complicated it gets?

Actually, Arista own the rights on Bad Attitude, Blind Before I Stop, and Meat Loaf Live, so it's even more complicated than that

wenners · 08 Sep 2006, 22:22

Sony can only release an album of songs that meat loaf recorded with them under contract. This will be songs from those albums and also live versions of other songs that were recorded when under that contract. Any other songs they include they will have to provide royalties to the other record company As was the case of Hits out of Hell and the use of the song modern girl. If you look at some of the compilation albums that have been released you will notice that all the songs that are included that are not owned by the issuing record label are live versions this is so those songs can be used and full royalties don’t have to be paid to the original record label.

With the release of the new album by virgin there is no way they will give any new material to Sony especially because all it will do is boost Sony sales and cause direct competition with there product. Not everybody would buy both DVD’s a lot of people can only afford one version, Virgin will want that to be theirs.

On a final note to give you an example of what record companies do about re hashing old albums and releasing them at a later date when a new product is released by that artist. I have two versions of The Very Best of Meat Loaf one released in 1998 the other released in 2003 (when chsib was released) Both albums have exactly the same 18 songs and identical covers, the only difference is the running order of the songs. The most notable being Bat out of Hell released as the last song on the original version and the first song on the later.

Kev · 08 Sep 2006, 22:27

Arista are part of Sony BMG (in the same way Cleveland International was) so they own the recordings :o) But Arista have a little more of a say in the matter.

As for Paul, I'm taking a very educated evaluation of the situation and coming up with the most logical conclusion.

Yes, there MAY be something different on there, but it won't be anything 'new'.

I really can't understand why it is so hard for you to understand that?

You'd think that someone working in the business would have a lil more of an idea whats going on that someone who doesn't lol.

But we'll see what happens eh?

I think we'll get a re-formated version of Bat Out of Hell with some new songs and the order of the songs mixed. With this a live dvd from the 'Just Having Fun Tour' and bonus material from a live 'Storytellers' show.

Hows that sound

As for the post above, if you look close you will notice different cat numbers. This is due to the 98 release being by Virgin/Emi and the 03 release by Sony BMG. The reason for this is mentioned in another post.

As for modern girl, it was still under Sony at the time, but Sony didn't start stamping the arista titles until the late 80's.

Sony now fire all their Meat albums out cheap.

Paul191 · 08 Sep 2006, 22:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by icwuke

As for Paul, I'm taking a very educated evaluation of the situation and coming up with the most logical conclusion.

Yes, there MAY be something different on there, but it won't be anything 'new'.

I really can't understand why it is so hard for you to understand that?

You'd think that someone working in the business would have a lil more of an idea whats going on that someone who doesn't lol.

But we'll see what happens eh?

I think we'll get a re-formated version of Bat Out of Hell with some new songs and the order of the songs mixed. With this a live dvd from the 'Just Having Fun Tour' and bonus material from a live 'Storytellers' show.

Hows that sound

I know what your doing..... What I'm trying to say is that you are not allowed an opinion on this forum because then threads get a little bit locked, if you know what I'm saying.

Just try to keep them to yourself and then we can wait until the release of the album without anyone getting bard along the way.

R. · 08 Sep 2006, 22:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul191

I know what your doing..... What I'm trying to say is that you are not allowed an opinion on this forum because then threads get a little bit locked, if you know what I'm saying.

I can't seem to remember having granted you moderator privileges and I'd really appreciate it if you'd stop trying to moderate other posters, especially in their own thread. If you want to criticise something post in the proper forum.

Paul191 · 08 Sep 2006, 22:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by R.

I can't seem to remember having granted you moderator privileges and I'd really appreciate it if you'd stop trying to moderate other posters, especially in their own thread. If you want to criticise something post in the proper forum.

And the proper forum being?...... maybe it was locked?

wenners · 08 Sep 2006, 23:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by icwuke

As for the post above, if you look close you will notice different cat numbers. This is due to the 98 release being by Virgin/Emi and the 03 release by Sony BMG. The reason for this is mentioned in another post.

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I am aware of that but if you look at the the copyright on both albums you will notice that both the 98 and 2003 versions were a joint release by both virgin and sony in 98 Meat was signed to MCA and in 2003 to Mercury. all i am stating is how record companies re hash the same stuff all the time but just change the smallest details around and in this example it was the song listings.

therag2100 · 08 Sep 2006, 23:19

It is bat with hits out of hell for the dvd.

FACT

i know this cos i have many contacts at sony and thought i would settle this argument.

AndrewG · 08 Sep 2006, 23:19

Same as 25th edition then?

07 Sep 2006, 18:34	#1
Kev Just Kev Join Date: 01.06.2003 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 1,856	Bat Out Of Hell (Special Edition/+DVD) Released... October 30th 2006. Just found this in the back end of our website. Didn't take those *******s at Sony long to leech off Bat 3 did it... I'll give you more information as I get it.

07 Sep 2006, 18:36	#2
Kev Just Kev Join Date: 01.06.2003 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 1,856	88697010122 (cat) 0886970101226 (b/c) released 30 Oct 2006 on Epic distributed by Arvato Services http://www.townsend-records.co.uk/pr...04&pType=music

07 Sep 2006, 18:42	#3
The Flying Mouse Armed ba$tard and Jo's other half. Join Date: 06.08.2002 Location: In the middle of nowhere near the end of the line. Posts: 16,104	It's all good Bat III will generate a lot more interest, and copies of the first Bat album will start to sell serious numbers again. OK, so Sony wets their beak (what else is new) but the Bat will be flying high again

07 Sep 2006, 18:45	#4
meatloaf-unofficial Mega Loafer Join Date: 06.02.2006 Location: Touring the Country Posts: 2,558	thats good - whats on the dvd though

07 Sep 2006, 21:06	#6
Juan Llanos Super Loafer Join Date: 25.02.2003 Location: espaÑa Posts: 233	I have this one.... I don't renember... but I thing that I have more than 10 copies in CD of Bat1...

07 Sep 2006, 23:34	#7
RSG Mega Loafer Join Date: 27.07.2003 Location: Canada Posts: 3,296	Wy Not A Hits out of Hell Part 2

07 Sep 2006, 23:50	#8
dukesofhazard Super Loafer Join Date: 24.09.2003 Location: Cardiff, Wales, UK Posts: 478	It'll probably be the Bat Out Of Hell Classic Albums DVD (which has already been available for purchase seperately for ages) that comes with it

08 Sep 2006, 00:12	#9
Kev Just Kev Join Date: 01.06.2003 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 1,856	Not a chance in hell, they're from different companies. It will have to be something that Sony own the rights to. Its nice wishing for something new, but Sony don't own anything new so it'll just be recycled stuff

08 Sep 2006, 04:32	#12
samurai7 Rock Star Join Date: 09.05.2005 Location: The future... Posts: 2,928	As was previously mentioned, it'll probably be the same as the 25th anniversary editon - the album on CD, bundled with the 'Hits Out Of Hell' DVD that most if us already own.

08 Sep 2006, 11:07	#15
Kev Just Kev Join Date: 01.06.2003 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 1,856	How do I know nothing about it? I'm the manager of a music store and work for a record label lol... I'd like you to point out a single fact I just stated that is wrong. :) It will be the standard album with maybe a bonus track or two but I doubt that. Looking very much like a repackaged version of the BOOH/HOOH dvd.

08 Sep 2006, 22:22	#18
wenners Senior Loafer Join Date: 24.06.2005 Posts: 182	Sony can only release an album of songs that meat loaf recorded with them under contract. This will be songs from those albums and also live versions of other songs that were recorded when under that contract. Any other songs they include they will have to provide royalties to the other record company As was the case of Hits out of Hell and the use of the song modern girl. If you look at some of the compilation albums that have been released you will notice that all the songs that are included that are not owned by the issuing record label are live versions this is so those songs can be used and full royalties don’t have to be paid to the original record label. With the release of the new album by virgin there is no way they will give any new material to Sony especially because all it will do is boost Sony sales and cause direct competition with there product. Not everybody would buy both DVD’s a lot of people can only afford one version, Virgin will want that to be theirs. On a final note to give you an example of what record companies do about re hashing old albums and releasing them at a later date when a new product is released by that artist. I have two versions of The Very Best of Meat Loaf one released in 1998 the other released in 2003 (when chsib was released) Both albums have exactly the same 18 songs and identical covers, the only difference is the running order of the songs. The most notable being Bat out of Hell released as the last song on the original version and the first song on the later.

08 Sep 2006, 22:27	#19
Kev Just Kev Join Date: 01.06.2003 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 1,856	Arista are part of Sony BMG (in the same way Cleveland International was) so they own the recordings :o) But Arista have a little more of a say in the matter. As for Paul, I'm taking a very educated evaluation of the situation and coming up with the most logical conclusion. Yes, there MAY be something different on there, but it won't be anything 'new'. I really can't understand why it is so hard for you to understand that? You'd think that someone working in the business would have a lil more of an idea whats going on that someone who doesn't lol. But we'll see what happens eh? I think we'll get a re-formated version of Bat Out of Hell with some new songs and the order of the songs mixed. With this a live dvd from the 'Just Having Fun Tour' and bonus material from a live 'Storytellers' show. Hows that sound As for the post above, if you look close you will notice different cat numbers. This is due to the 98 release being by Virgin/Emi and the 03 release by Sony BMG. The reason for this is mentioned in another post. As for modern girl, it was still under Sony at the time, but Sony didn't start stamping the arista titles until the late 80's. Sony now fire all their Meat albums out cheap.

08 Sep 2006, 23:19	#24
therag2100 Junior Loafer Join Date: 19.06.2003 Posts: 45	It is bat with hits out of hell for the dvd. FACT i know this cos i have many contacts at sony and thought i would settle this argument.

08 Sep 2006, 23:19	#25
AndrewG I hope your salmon sucks! Join Date: 18.01.2004 Location: Northamptonshire Posts: 7,081	Same as 25th edition then?