Empty threats and hollow lies?

**RadioMaster** · 10 Aug 2006, 11:47

I was wondering why Meat left the "empty threads and hollow lies" part of IACBTMN from celine´s version for Bat3.

I think I´ve got an explanation:
In Ms Dion´s version it´s all about a coupe that was falling apart because their relationship just had an end and she feels all again and wishes him back.
And the end of their relationship was described with the empty threats and hollow lies part.

But Meat sings about a girl that DIED long ago, when their relationship was (kinda) harmonic, and there wasnt even enough time for them to come to the time of empty threats and hollow lies and so on.

So it was not their fault (well, not really) that they lost each other.

So the same song got two completely different meanings just because of leaving 3 or 4 lines, interesting...

What do you think?

PanicLord · 10 Aug 2006, 13:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by Radiomaster

I was wondering why Meat left the "empty threads and hollow lies" part of IACBTMN from celine´s version for Bat3.

I think I´ve got an explanation:
In Ms Dion´s version it´s all about a coupe that was falling apart because their relationship just had an end and she feels all again and wishes him back.
And the end of their relationship was described with the empty threats and hollow lies part.

But Meat sings about a girl that DIED long ago, when their relationship was (kinda) harmonic, and there wasnt even enough time for them to come to the time of empty threats and hollow lies and so on.

So it was not their fault (well, not really) that they lost each other.

So the same song got two completely different meanings just because of leaving 3 or 4 lines, interesting...

What do you think?

I agree - Meat's version is looking back on their all too brief time together much more fondly than Celine's did. Celine's version seemed to be about getting back with someone with whom she had a very rocky relationship, whereas Meat seems to be remembering a beautiful relationship.

AndrewG · 10 Aug 2006, 13:22

It could also just be they ran out of time on the album. It's gonna be VERY close to the 80 min limit.

mszee · 10 Aug 2006, 15:45

This might be off-topic...but can please somebody explain to me why she runs out of the house in tears when he takes off the mask in the video?

That's the only part I didn't get and I am puzzling this out since I've seen a video for the first time...

Caelan · 10 Aug 2006, 16:37

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Originally Posted by mszee

This might be off-topic...but can please somebody explain to me why she runs out of the house in tears when he takes off the mask in the video?

That's the only part I didn't get and I am puzzling this out since I've seen a video for the first time...

wish I could help but I

ChrisBelfast · 10 Aug 2006, 17:07

i don't know why, but it was always my favourite part of the song. thought it was the best lyrically as well.

AndrewG · 10 Aug 2006, 17:43

I thought this was quite obvious. Meat is looking at a girl behind Marion (you see Marion looking very suspicious to Meat) then Meat drops the mask (this could be some methaphorical reference to the fact: "showing his true colours" ie he is a cheat. She runs out the house. Meat runs to the window to see what she is doing (he then stands behind the window in present time to reflect on what happened) and she crashes and kills herself. To me the video is mainly about regret and a missed opportunity to be happy.

Moreover just before all this stuff you see some chaotic images of Meat and women from the past, I think it is indeed about cheating as many songs/videos are.

But this is my personal interpretation.

Space Monkey · 10 Aug 2006, 17:54

I've said this elsewhere and must stress this is only my interpretation:

When Meat looks over Marion's shoulder we see a ghostly male figure - perhaps an ex-boyfriend of Marion's. It is here that I think, Meat says something and Marion storms off upset. Just my opinion, but there definitely is a ghostly man firstly whispering in Marion's ear, then walking away in the background. I personally don't think Marion storming out has anything specifically to do with Meat taking off his mask.

**RadioMaster** · 10 Aug 2006, 17:56

I think it looks quite funny how she´s "driving" the car

And...why is Meat sitting on this throne with the women around in the beginning of the video?

But all in all that´s OFF TOPIC

Back on topic...please

mszee · 10 Aug 2006, 17:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by Space Monkey

I've said this elsewhere and must stress this is only my interpretation:

When Meat looks over Marion's shoulder we see a ghostly male figure - perhaps an ex-boyfriend of Marion's. It is here that I think, Meat says something and Marion storms off upset. Just my opinion, but there definitely is a ghostly man firstly whispering in Marion's ear, then walking away in the background. I personally don't think Marion storming out has anything specifically to do with Meat taking off his mask.

I doubt very much that taking off mask has nothing to do with it...there is a big gesture there...and it MUST mean something...

michael.c · 14 Aug 2006, 15:23

the original 1988 pandoras box version of the song clocks in at 8 mins 22 secs. jim steinman is known for hating his songs being edited or cut down to fit onto an album or to get radio play. lets hope songs like "bad for good" and "the future aint what it used to be" are not also cut to fit. could this be where the much documented problems between him and meat lie. i could see jim pushing for all his songs to be recorded in their former glory ( my preference ) and a double disc issued. hence "loving you is a dirty job" and "making love out of nothing at all" are sacraficed for shorter sixx/child compositions. probably why jim was to sue for the bat title. a plausible theory. if this is meats last album then not recording these songs is an oppertunity lost forever, and who knows what else jim had up his sleeve.

DazLoaf01 · 14 Aug 2006, 17:41

On the other hand though, some of Jim's songs do go on a little longer than they 'probably' need to lol.

10 Aug 2006, 11:47	#1
RadioMaster The German Join Date: 11.03.2006 Location: some kind of hunting lodge for rich weirdos... Posts: 15,778	Empty threats and hollow lies? I was wondering why Meat left the "empty threads and hollow lies" part of IACBTMN from celine´s version for Bat3. I think I´ve got an explanation: In Ms Dion´s version it´s all about a coupe that was falling apart because their relationship just had an end and she feels all again and wishes him back. And the end of their relationship was described with the empty threats and hollow lies part. But Meat sings about a girl that DIED long ago, when their relationship was (kinda) harmonic, and there wasnt even enough time for them to come to the time of empty threats and hollow lies and so on. So it was not their fault (well, not really) that they lost each other. So the same song got two completely different meanings just because of leaving 3 or 4 lines, interesting... What do you think?

10 Aug 2006, 13:22	#3
AndrewG I hope your salmon sucks! Join Date: 18.01.2004 Location: Northamptonshire Posts: 7,077	It could also just be they ran out of time on the album. It's gonna be VERY close to the 80 min limit.

10 Aug 2006, 15:45	#4
mszee Mega Loafer Join Date: 28.03.2006 Location: And you think you're down under??? Posts: 26,252	This might be off-topic...but can please somebody explain to me why she runs out of the house in tears when he takes off the mask in the video? That's the only part I didn't get and I am puzzling this out since I've seen a video for the first time...

10 Aug 2006, 17:07	#6
ChrisBelfast Mega Loafer Join Date: 18.02.2003 Location: Posts: 1,061	i don't know why, but it was always my favourite part of the song. thought it was the best lyrically as well.

10 Aug 2006, 17:43	#7
AndrewG I hope your salmon sucks! Join Date: 18.01.2004 Location: Northamptonshire Posts: 7,077	I thought this was quite obvious. Meat is looking at a girl behind Marion (you see Marion looking very suspicious to Meat) then Meat drops the mask (this could be some methaphorical reference to the fact: "showing his true colours" ie he is a cheat. She runs out the house. Meat runs to the window to see what she is doing (he then stands behind the window in present time to reflect on what happened) and she crashes and kills herself. To me the video is mainly about regret and a missed opportunity to be happy. Moreover just before all this stuff you see some chaotic images of Meat and women from the past, I think it is indeed about cheating as many songs/videos are. But this is my personal interpretation.

10 Aug 2006, 17:54	#8
Space Monkey Super Loafer Join Date: 28.03.2003 Location: Nottingham Posts: 223	I've said this elsewhere and must stress this is only my interpretation: When Meat looks over Marion's shoulder we see a ghostly male figure - perhaps an ex-boyfriend of Marion's. It is here that I think, Meat says something and Marion storms off upset. Just my opinion, but there definitely is a ghostly man firstly whispering in Marion's ear, then walking away in the background. I personally don't think Marion storming out has anything specifically to do with Meat taking off his mask.

10 Aug 2006, 17:56	#9
RadioMaster The German Join Date: 11.03.2006 Location: some kind of hunting lodge for rich weirdos... Posts: 15,778	I think it looks quite funny how she´s "driving" the car And...why is Meat sitting on this throne with the women around in the beginning of the video? But all in all that´s OFF TOPIC Back on topic...please

14 Aug 2006, 15:23	#11
michael.c Loafer Join Date: 07.12.2004 Location: belfast ireland Posts: 96	the original 1988 pandoras box version of the song clocks in at 8 mins 22 secs. jim steinman is known for hating his songs being edited or cut down to fit onto an album or to get radio play. lets hope songs like "bad for good" and "the future aint what it used to be" are not also cut to fit. could this be where the much documented problems between him and meat lie. i could see jim pushing for all his songs to be recorded in their former glory ( my preference ) and a double disc issued. hence "loving you is a dirty job" and "making love out of nothing at all" are sacraficed for shorter sixx/child compositions. probably why jim was to sue for the bat title. a plausible theory. if this is meats last album then not recording these songs is an oppertunity lost forever, and who knows what else jim had up his sleeve.

14 Aug 2006, 17:41	#12
DazLoaf01 Super Loafer Join Date: 28.06.2003 Location: Devon, UK Posts: 455	On the other hand though, some of Jim's songs do go on a little longer than they 'probably' need to lol.