New Bon Jovi single....

[Nige78]

'This House Is Not For Sale' video to be release don Friday 12th August.

Anyone else looking forward to this? I've been a huge Jovi fan as long as I have a Meat Loaf fan and I think they have quite a crossover appeal despite their obvious differences.

This is their first proper single without Richie Sambora.

[ThatWriterGuy]

I'll check it out, but I'm sad to say that Bon Jovi ended for me with the These Days album. Beyond that, they were Bon Jovi no more ...

[PanicLord]

Originally Posted by ThatWriterGuy

I'll check it out, but I'm sad to say that Bon Jovi ended for me with the These Days album. Beyond that, they were Bon Jovi no more ...

I know what you mean although I'd go one album further and say Crush.

[AndrewG]

I liked Crush too. Listened to The Circle in a full a few years ago. One of the worst albums I've ever heard.

[ThatWriterGuy]

I can see your points - but for me, Crush was a little too far removed from the established Bon Jovi sound (that said, I actually rate J Bon Jovi's BLAZE OF GLORY solo album as the best of their catalog! And Andrew - the vinyl first press is immense!).

[Nige78]

Originally Posted by AndrewG

I liked Crush too. Listened to The Circle in a full a few years ago. One of the worst albums I've ever heard.

If you think that is bad then I highly recommend that you never ever listen to the follow up album, What About Now.

[PanicLord]

Originally Posted by ThatWriterGuy

I can see your points - but for me, Crush was a little too far removed from the established Bon Jovi sound (that said, I actually rate J Bon Jovi's BLAZE OF GLORY solo album as the best of their catalog! And Andrew - the vinyl first press is immense!).

To be fair I am mainly basing it on It's My Life which came out while I was at uni and so I had many a happy night out moshing away to it :)

[AndrewG]

Originally Posted by PanicLord

To be fair I am mainly basing it on It's My Life which came out while I was at uni and so I had many a happy night out moshing away to it :)

I thought Crush was really good. It's My Life, Thank you for loving me, Captain Jack & Beauty Queen From Mars, Just Older, One Wild Night. Even the songs in between are quite listenable/enjoyable. The whole album is just good I think. *Looks for a possible Vinyl release.....*

Seriously NO vinyl for this album?? Bizarre. https://www.discogs.com/Bon-Jovi-Crush/master/96128

[ThatWriterGuy]

Originally Posted by AndrewG

Seriously NO vinyl for this album?? Bizarre. https://www.discogs.com/Bon-Jovi-Crush/master/96128

There's a whole sea of albums by popular artists that never got released between 1996 - 2009 on vinyl. AS for the reason - Hey, why listen to the sublime sonic resonance of a well cut, first press, beautifully mastered record when you can get the 128kb mp3 for free? Right??? RIGHT!?!

Jesus ...

[jcmoorehead]

I really enjoyed Have A Nice Day, with that said I've just kinda struggled to care since then. There have been a few songs but it's mostly been hit or miss and I tend to find myself reaching for the older stuff if I want to listen to them.

I'll be checking out the single but I won't be expecting much from it. Especially in the fact of great singles already being released by Opeth, Devin Townsend, Marillion and of course Meat so far. Bon Jovi have a lot of work to do :P

[ThatWriterGuy]

Originally Posted by jcmoorehead

I'll be checking out the single but I won't be expecting much from it. Especially in the fact of great singles already being released by Opeth, Devin Townsend, Marillion and of course Meat so far. Bon Jovi have a lot of work to do :P

OPETH - another band who have completely jumped genre lately. With enormously reduced expectations, I'm cautiously optimistic that SORCERESS will at least have some memorable, listenable music on there (although, in hindsight, Pale Communion actually wasn't as bad as I thought it was at the time. The less said about Heritage the better).

[stretch37]

Originally Posted by Nige78

If you think that is bad then I highly recommend that you never ever listen to the follow up album, What About Now.

I hated what about now at first. it grew on me and became one of my regulars right up until Burning Bridges came out. The circle I used to love when it came out, but it was an album written for the recession times, similar to Bruce Springsteens Wrecking Ball. So not as much staying power and I've completely lost interest in it now. it was fun at the time though.

I feel like some of the music on Burning Bridges is the best Bon Jovi in awhile. Teardrop To The Sea and Who Would You Die For are classic bon Jovi and great sing alongs. I use Teardrop as a warm up. And We Don't Run is a great anthem.

This all not to mention What Do you Got and No Apologies.

I'm not sure what you mean by they stopped being Bon Jovi back on some old record. I guess I became an obsessive fan of a completely different band in 2009 then and before that when Crush came out. It's My Life I digged in high school along with Thank you for Loving Me and Runaway and a few other school dance favorites. to me they've always just sounded like Bon Jovi just updated their sound over time as any artist does whose actually creative.

[ashkent7]

Originally Posted by stretch37

I hated what about now at first. it grew on me and became one of my regulars right up until Burning Bridges came out. The circle I used to love when it came out, but it was an album written for the recession times, similar to Bruce Springsteens Wrecking Ball. So not as much staying power and I've completely lost interest in it now. it was fun at the time though.

I feel like some of the music on Burning Bridges is the best Bon Jovi in awhile. Teardrop To The Sea and Who Would You Die For are classic bon Jovi and great sing alongs. I use Teardrop as a warm up. And We Don't Run is a great anthem.

This all not to mention What Do you Got and No Apologies.

I'm not sure what you mean by they stopped being Bon Jovi back on some old record. I guess I became an obsessive fan of a completely different band in 2009 then and before that when Crush came out. It's My Life I digged in high school along with Thank you for Loving Me and Runaway and a few other school dance favorites. to me they've always just sounded like Bon Jovi just updated their sound over time as any artist does whose actually creative.

I have liked most of Bon Jovi's stuff - like Meat from my dad's music taste - I think other than a couple of songs here and there Have a Nice Day was the last album I really remember listening to as an album although my other half has their more recent stuff. As far as I knew, a lot of fans of their first couple of albums thought they changed after that and went too pop rock, but other than some adaption to the times,

I never really saw a massive shift between the likes of Runaway/In and Out of Love all the way to the songs from Crush. Up to that point they had a "sound" and for me that sound never changed. You could always tell a Bon Jovi song as soon as you heard it. I think Bounce went a little bit overkill, but Nice Day and what I've heard since seems to have been brought back down in line with Crush.

I will probably find time to fill in the gaps I've got in their stuff at sometime - but I tend to go through two phases which are Meat and Springsteen. Just finished the Springsteen phase with Meat's new stuff emerging so that means it's going to be at least three months before a new phase can begin.

[jcmoorehead]

Originally Posted by ThatWriterGuy

OPETH - another band who have completely jumped genre lately. With enormously reduced expectations, I'm cautiously optimistic that SORCERESS will at least have some memorable, listenable music on there (although, in hindsight, Pale Communion actually wasn't as bad as I thought it was at the time. The less said about Heritage the better).

Heritage was a strange one, a bit too meandering in times for me. Very jarring compared to Watershed and from what would be expected from Opeth. I really liked Pale Communion though and I'm looking forward to what comes next. I really like that they're doing what they want to to though, I respect that a lot that they didn't just say "Hey let's make another record like Watershed even though our heart isn't in it"

That said, I do kinda miss the growls... just a little bit :P

[ThatWriterGuy]

Originally Posted by stretch37

I'm not sure what you mean by they stopped being Bon Jovi back on some old record. I guess I became an obsessive fan of a completely different band in 2009 then and before that when Crush came out. It's My Life I digged in high school along with Thank you for Loving Me and Runaway and a few other school dance favorites. to me they've always just sounded like Bon Jovi just updated their sound over time as any artist does whose actually creative.

If you can't tell the difference between Bad Medicine, Runaway, and Never Say Die -- over, say, What About Now, We Don't Run, or Have a Nice Day (or basically any album post 1996) ... then I don't know what to say. I mean, I'd hope you can tell the difference between Livin' on a Prayer and It's My Life.

First Bon Jovi song I ever heard was Runaway, and that was in 1988 (four years after the song came out).

[stretch37]

Originally Posted by ThatWriterGuy

If you can't tell the difference between Bad Medicine, Runaway, and Never Say Die -- over, say, What About Now, We Don't Run, or Have a Nice Day (or basically any album post 1996) ... then I don't know what to say. I mean, I'd hope you can tell the difference between Livin' on a Prayer and It's My Life.

First Bon Jovi song I ever heard was Runaway, and that was in 1988 (four years after the song came out).

Of course there's a difference!!!

80's bon jovi, 90's bon jovi, early 2000's bon jovi, mid 2000's bon jovi, and now bon jovi all sound very, very different!

But What I don't get is at which point you say they stopped being bon jovi?

It's like everyone saying how Meat Loaf doesn't sound like Meat Loaf anymore.

I see what you're trying to say with that logic - E.g. Meat Loaf today doesn't sound like the signature sound you identified as Meat Loaf when you heard it, when you started hearing it back when it sounded LIKE THAT.

But what bothers me about statements like this is that artists are continually evolving.

Some 15 year old kid who becomes an immediate Meat Loaf fan after hearing Speaking In Tongues is going to say, THIS SOUNDS LIKE MEAT LOAF, because that's all they know.

I became a MASSIVE bon jovi fan starting with The Circle. To me, they sound like Bon Jovi.

Tom waits from 2016 sounds nothing like Tom waits from 1970. To say he no longer sounds like Tom waits is crazy.

Johnny Cash's american series sounds like an old man who still has some life in him at times, but is tired, with death on the mind and many health issues, and reflective. That's my favorite cash sound. That's the cash sound I heard when I became a fan of him, and it was only After that that I started listening to some of his older stuff. I love A Boy Named Sue.

So I guess it just bugs me because it's a bit of a disservice to the artists. To come on the Meat Loaf fan club (Let's face it, it's not a fan club, it's a club of people who enjoy commenting on Meat and Jim's work regardless of the fan status) and say he doesn't sound like Meat to me sounds like the greatest insult you could ever give him.

I see what you're saying - I get it that the band doesn't sound how you identify with it from your years past when you first heard the band, but my comment is just that an artist to me always sounds like that artist, because that's how they sound, and that's how they have decided to sound, and that's part of the creative process. I'm always proud of the new different sounds I hear from an artist's next album. Doesn't mean I have to like it, but I respect their creative process and I enjoy watching it unfold over the years.

[ThatWriterGuy]

Meat Loaf and Bon Jovi doesn't work as a comparison -- one is to do with vocal 'limitations' and changes, and the other is down to musical direction. Jon Bon Jovi considers himself a business man, and he treats that band like a business. That's not a bad thing (from his POV). But if you grew up with a band in their original incarnation, stayed with them through the height of their fame (and back in the day that was pretty damn high), only to have them start pumping out a factory sealed 'lite' version of themselves, because, guess what, hair metal isn't selling anymore so let's try indie rock, damn, that didn't work, let's try the mellow acoustic approach, because everyone's doing that at the minute ... and on it goes.

Ah, the 'evolving artist' spiel -- untrue. I've followed enough bands since the 80s to be able to discern between the musical evolution of a band and a band changing their signature sound in an attempt to make their music sound relevant in order to push sales. And, yeah, that's what I'm saying Bon Jovi have done. I'm okay with it, I don't care about it -- but that's what happened, and what continues to happen. Bon Jovi have become a brand, a label, a franchise. It's a big business machine. Jon Bon Jovi has always had one foot in that world, but the other foot must've got amputated along the way somewhere.

Now I know that you're first instinct is going to be to come back with some big rebuttal, but honestly, I don't have the time right now to debate! You have your view, I have mine -- who cares, right? You've been into the band for, what, five years? Think about that. Bon Jovi didn't just slowly evolve into another band -- it was an almost overnight switch. That's what happened, and what they do now doesn't appeal to me at all. But hey, if it turns you on -- go for it! And who knows ... I may end up even liking their new single (Stranger Things have happened).

[White of High]

Meat Loaf and Bon Jovi are in the same shoes with a little difference. Bon Jovi sing and perform professionally, the arrengement, the sound is great. His voice changed a lot and it's not enjoyable to me, but the main problem is his soulles performance and songwriting. All songs sound the same, nothing new comes over. Meat has a lot of soul in his songs, he just doesn't sound porfessional anymore. Vocal arrangement sounded horrible in the last decade to me but Meat still has good songs. When I listen them I think my youth is over.

[AndrewG]

Originally Posted by White of High

Meat Loaf and Bon Jovi are in the same shoes with a little difference. Bon Jovi sing and perform professionally, the arrengement, the sound is great. His voice changed a lot and it's not enjoyable to me, but the main problem is his soulles performance and songwriting. All songs sound the same, nothing new comes over. Meat has a lot of soul in his songs, he just doesn't sound porfessional anymore. Vocal arrangement sounded horrible in the last decade to me but Meat still has good songs. When I listen them I think my youth is over.

I think your view is a bit extreme and probably a bit exaggerated but I understand where you are coming from. But even then if I had to choose I'd always go for the one with the one who has songs with soul. Bob Dylan was never a great vocalist or Mark Knopfler for that matter but both have written some of the most beautiful songs ever and could always put soul into the songs when required. Some stand out live performances that come to mind from Dylan are Shooting Star at MTV Unplugged and Tunnel of Love on Alchemy Hammersmith London 1983 and Romeo and Juliet 1992. All terrible vocals but great soulful performances.
"I saw a shooting star tonight and I thought of you"

"Oh girl it looks so pretty to me just like it always did
Like the spanish city to me when we were kids"

"And all I do is miss you and the way we used to be
All I do is keep the beat and bad company
All I do is kiss you through the bars of a rhyme
Juliet I'd do the stars with you any time"

If that ain't soul I don't know what is.

[Wario]

That's exactly what it sounds like

A bob Dylan song

[White of High]

Originally Posted by AndrewG

Bob Dylan was never a great vocalist or Mark Knopfler for that matter but both have written some of the most beautiful songs ever and could always put soul into the songs when required. Some stand out live performances that come to mind from Dylan are Shooting Star at MTV Unplugged and Tunnel of Love on Alchemy Hammersmith London 1983 and Romeo and Juliet 1992. All terrible vocals but great soulful performances.

This is the reason I don't listen too much Bob Dylan or Mark Knopfler. I'm a perfectionist, good lyrics with soul is not enough. Bob Dylan is a good poet but horrible performer. I liked when Jimi Hendrix were playing guitar but hated when he was singing.

[ashkent7]

Originally Posted by AndrewG

I think your view is a bit extreme and probably a bit exaggerated but I understand where you are coming from. But even then if I had to choose I'd always go for the one with the one who has songs with soul. Bob Dylan was never a great vocalist or Mark Knopfler for that matter but both have written some of the most beautiful songs ever and could always put soul into the songs when required. Some stand out live performances that come to mind from Dylan are Shooting Star at MTV Unplugged and Tunnel of Love on Alchemy Hammersmith London 1983 and Romeo and Juliet 1992. All terrible vocals but great soulful performances.
"I saw a shooting star tonight and I thought of you"

"Oh girl it looks so pretty to me just like it always did
Like the spanish city to me when we were kids"

"And all I do is miss you and the way we used to be
All I do is keep the beat and bad company
All I do is kiss you through the bars of a rhyme
Juliet I'd do the stars with you any time"

If that ain't soul I don't know what is.

I think you can add Chris Rea to Dylan and Knopfler for the not great vocals - but in all cases, distinctive vocals. You can take any of them singing a song and instantly people say is that such and such. I think Meat is the same in that respect that whether it is 1977, 1993 or 2016, people still recognise it as Meat singing, unlike so many other artists who are interchangeable .

[jcmoorehead]

Originally Posted by ashkent7

I think you can add Chris Rea to Dylan and Knopfler for the not great vocals - but in all cases, distinctive vocals. You can take any of them singing a song and instantly people say is that such and such. I think Meat is the same in that respect that whether it is 1977, 1993 or 2016, people still recognise it as Meat singing, unlike so many other artists who are interchangeable .

Steve Hogarth of Marillion too, very distinctive and not what you'd call 'great' by anyones standards but you can really feel each and every bit of emotion they put into it. It just fits the songs and the stories they are trying to tell perfectly. I couldn't imagine anyone performing the album Brave like he does.

For Meat, he doesn't sound the same. It happens but he still puts passion into his songs, he still sings them as best he can and that is all we can ask. He does what fits the song.

Back to the topic of Bon Jovi. My friend sent me the released snippet of the new single last night. It sounds very typical Bon Jovi, slightly more aggressive lyrically but nothing I wouldn't expect.

[AndrewG]

Listened to the new sample. It doesn't sound too bad indeed. The kind of music you'd expect from Bon Jovi. But going by samples isn't always the best thing. I'm sure if I listened to samples from The Circle they would sound decent too. In the wider context that album didn't work for me. I guess I look for a bit of variation in songs (dynamics / tempo etc) which was absent from what I remember on there. Weirdly the Braver Than we are samples didn't sound that great to me initially whilst the full songs I've heard so far are quite impressive.

[Nige78]

Low bit-rate version but the full song is here --->
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x4o...for-sale_music