15. Everything Is Permitted

White of High · 03 Oct 2002, 23:41

This is the START OUT OF HELL & ARRIVE TO HEAVEN topic. Let's Go to Rock 'n' Roll!!!!!!!

Everything Is Permitted (6)

Well, I can't place it to the Steinman's song. I know that Jim want to live in freedom, but this song seems to me like a fight for the anarchia. It's OK! Maybe this word a little bit "hard". I feel this freedom as not same as in Bat Out Of Hell.

The music too soft for the story. I don't like this song - it's my opinion!
Sorry Tim, but it is maximum...

My score: 6

Average: 7.08 (70.8/10)

Tim · 04 Oct 2002, 09:32

Well okay White of Heigh. Don't apologize. It's your opinion, just that's my opinion that i think that you grade it to low.

No, but i see what you mean. But the strange thing about this song, is that i see all sort of images in my head, when i listen to this song. So i think it's very powerfull in that way.
But i've to agree with you that it's a very soft of music, but that's no problem, cause the visual aspect is great.

I would give it an 7.3 :P

**The Flying Mouse** · 04 Oct 2002, 10:24

Every time I answer one of these song topics,I listen to the relevent song.I listend to this song three times.
The reason is that the meaning is so obscure.I think with Everything Is Permitted,each listner is supposed to find their own meaning.
To me it's a song about the end of the world.All the clocks are showing zero,all the compass points are zero.The world is being put back to it's original setting(for lack of a better way of putting it).There are plenty of lyrics in the song that flush my theory down the plug hole,but it's just my interpritation.
I like this song a lot.As Tim says it really conjours up plenty of visual images.I also like the simplicity.Meat's voice really shines through and the simple drum beat really adds to the mood.
8/10 Deffinatly Permitted
P.S.There is only one line of the song that I disagree with.
We just never had no heroes.We've got one hero.
I wonder who that could be

.

Michel · 04 Oct 2002, 20:03

Good song.

It is slow, and there are nice background vocals. It isn't the song i always listen to, it isn't maybe jim's best song, but it isn't bad.

My score: 7

Shane · 12 Oct 2002, 13:48

When I listen to this song, it always makes me think of the novel Lord Of The Flies (that's NOT Lord of the Rings). Does anyone know the novel? I read it a few years ago, and this song seems to fit with it.

Testify · 05 Jul 2003, 19:54

i like this one. 8/10

Evan · 07 Jul 2003, 10:20

Ok, well, it's not my favorite song from "Dead Ringer" but Jim had written well before he'd written the other "DR" songs. It was planned to be put on Meat's follow up to "Bat". Song is ok, i love the musical chourus towards the end. Not my favorite Steinman song but I still find myself listening to it a lot.

6.5/10

Jayd · 07 Jul 2003, 12:42

Good song, I give it 7/10

Quigmo · 17 Sep 2003, 08:07

Yet another disapointing Dead Ringer song.
I just can't stand the sound of this album. A fitting end to a disappointing Album. 3/10

RSG · 07 Nov 2003, 00:07

Dead Ringer is my least liked album of Meat's. I rate it with an 8.5\10.

I do like this song, I'd give it a 9\10. I like the music to it, and the vocals, and I'm trying to get a clear understanding of the song. I feel that it is better than Lost Boys & Golden Girls. my opinion. But not better than For Crying Out Loud. Great song on a good alum by an incredible singer written by a very smart songwriter.

Craig · 08 Nov 2003, 22:59

For those struggling a bit with the meaning of this song, I also was slightly lost with it for a few years, but I am now very convinced that it is about coming of age, i.e. when you turn 18 or 21 and you can do as you wish. Relisten to it with this in mind and you will see...

"And all the parents must have fled..."

Woman of Steel · 08 Nov 2003, 23:35

That album wasn't exactly what I had expected, but like all Steinman songs, you really have to listen to get the meaning. At least, it takes me a few times to really form my opinion of the song, it always changes. But all in all, it's a good song.

7/10

LostSoul · 19 Jan 2004, 00:28

I love that song. It's all in crescendo.

As far as the meaning is concerned I've always thought that it was about the human race hability to put limits for everything (e.g. borders and laws...). We all would like Heaven to be on earth but we are aware that anarchy is utopia!

"Everything is permitted"... is kinda irony!

9/10

Bart · 19 Jan 2004, 11:52

The guitar solo is great. best part of the song. The song is kinda simple and the lyrics are fabulous. 7/10.

rockfenris2005 · 26 Jan 2004, 09:28

This song could be a toned-down REVOLUTION IN MUSIC from NEVERLAND. 10/10

Jackoutofhell · 19 Jun 2006, 04:36

I've always thought of this as an extremely underrated song. Yes, it's slow, but not to the the point of being draggy, and the lyrics are brilliant. The vocals work well on this album, and I like how he sings without any backing. He should sing solo more often, in my opinion.

PanicLord · 19 Jun 2006, 23:24

Dead Ringer is my favourite Meat album, as I think it contains some of the most beautiful and powerful lyrics Jim has ever written, and it is just jam-packed with emotion. Everything Is Permitted is no exception:

"If everything is permitted
If nothing is taboo
Then there is always something shattered
When there is something breaking thru
Then there is always something shattered
When there is something breaking thru
Everything is permitted"

I find very moving. I see this (along with clocks = 0, compass points = 0) as saying even at the very end of all things, when dreams themselves are shattered, there is always something - some little ray of hope - shining through.

Powerful stuff, which I reckon deserves an 8.5/10. That's pretty high for me lol.

Evil One · 23 Jan 2007, 23:22

5. Good, but it sounds completely out of whack with the rest of the album.

White of High · 25 Jan 2007, 22:39

Average: 6.92 (103.8/15)

**RadioMaster** · 25 Jan 2007, 23:35

I dont know....That song hasnt got anything for me.
It´s too simple.......it´s boring.
The same way as Cry to Heaven.
Probably my least favourite Steinman Song.

5

got some good lyrics though

samurai7 · 26 Jan 2007, 02:49

This is the only song on DR that I took a while to get into. Now I love it.

8

geordieloaf · 26 Jan 2007, 12:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by Son Of Meat Loaf

This is the only song on DR that I took a while to get into. Now I love it.

8

Agree with you, didn't really get it at first but after listening to it often it kinda grew on me.
7/10

03gills · 13 Feb 2007, 13:08

Took a few listens but grew on me, has a lost boys and golden girls vibe to it, the lyrics make me think of neverland, i think that's what this one's about. In that sense doesn't really work with drums or guitar, just piano and softer vocals would suit this one better methinks, although meat's vocals at the time made a softer voice quite difficult

03gills · 13 Feb 2007, 13:09

oops forgot to mark! on dead ringer 7/10 but potentially 10/10

florence75015 · 30 Aug 2009, 16:17

A great song of "Dead Ringer"

9/10

03 Oct 2002, 23:41	#1
White of High Nature's Siegfried Join Date: 27.05.2002 Location: Budapest, Hungary Posts: 2,930	15. Everything Is Permitted This is the START OUT OF HELL & ARRIVE TO HEAVEN topic. Let's Go to Rock 'n' Roll!!!!!!! Everything Is Permitted (6) Well, I can't place it to the Steinman's song. I know that Jim want to live in freedom, but this song seems to me like a fight for the anarchia. It's OK! Maybe this word a little bit "hard". I feel this freedom as not same as in Bat Out Of Hell. The music too soft for the story. I don't like this song - it's my opinion! Sorry Tim, but it is maximum... My score: 6 Average: 7.08 (70.8/10)

12 Oct 2002, 13:48	#5
Shane Super Loafer Join Date: 30.04.2002 Location: Palmerston North, New Zealand (GMT+12) Posts: 608	Lord Of The Flies When I listen to this song, it always makes me think of the novel Lord Of The Flies (that's NOT Lord of the Rings). Does anyone know the novel? I read it a few years ago, and this song seems to fit with it.

08 Nov 2003, 22:59	#11
Craig Rookie Join Date: 30.07.2003 Location: Manchester, UK Posts: 8	Everything Is Permitted For those struggling a bit with the meaning of this song, I also was slightly lost with it for a few years, but I am now very convinced that it is about coming of age, i.e. when you turn 18 or 21 and you can do as you wish. Relisten to it with this in mind and you will see... "And all the parents must have fled..."

13 Feb 2007, 13:08	#23
03gills Loafer Join Date: 07.03.2004 Posts: 73	Took a few listens but grew on me, has a lost boys and golden girls vibe to it, the lyrics make me think of neverland, i think that's what this one's about. In that sense doesn't really work with drums or guitar, just piano and softer vocals would suit this one better methinks, although meat's vocals at the time made a softer voice quite difficult Last edited by 03gills; 13 Feb 2007 at 13:10. Reason: spelling error

04 Oct 2002, 09:32	#2
Tim The Butcher Join Date: 14.04.2002 Location: Westervoort, The Netherlands Posts: 10,321	Well okay White of Heigh. Don't apologize. It's your opinion, just that's my opinion that i think that you grade it to low. No, but i see what you mean. But the strange thing about this song, is that i see all sort of images in my head, when i listen to this song. So i think it's very powerfull in that way. But i've to agree with you that it's a very soft of music, but that's no problem, cause the visual aspect is great. I would give it an 7.3 :P

04 Oct 2002, 10:24	#3
The Flying Mouse Armed ba$tard and Jo's other half. Join Date: 06.08.2002 Location: In the middle of nowhere near the end of the line. Posts: 16,104	Every time I answer one of these song topics,I listen to the relevent song.I listend to this song three times. The reason is that the meaning is so obscure.I think with Everything Is Permitted,each listner is supposed to find their own meaning. To me it's a song about the end of the world.All the clocks are showing zero,all the compass points are zero.The world is being put back to it's original setting(for lack of a better way of putting it).There are plenty of lyrics in the song that flush my theory down the plug hole,but it's just my interpritation. I like this song a lot.As Tim says it really conjours up plenty of visual images.I also like the simplicity.Meat's voice really shines through and the simple drum beat really adds to the mood. 8/10 Deffinatly Permitted P.S.There is only one line of the song that I disagree with. We just never had no heroes.We've got one hero. I wonder who that could be .

04 Oct 2002, 20:03	#4
Michel Mega Loafer Join Date: 14.04.2002 Location: Stadskanaal, The Netherlands Posts: 1,631	Good song. It is slow, and there are nice background vocals. It isn't the song i always listen to, it isn't maybe jim's best song, but it isn't bad. My score: 7

05 Jul 2003, 19:54	#6
Testify ragamuffin Join Date: 21.05.2003 Location: xxx daydreaming xxx Posts: 5,023	i like this one. 8/10

07 Jul 2003, 10:20	#7
Evan Super Loafer Join Date: 03.07.2003 Location: Florida, USA Posts: 216	Ok, well, it's not my favorite song from "Dead Ringer" but Jim had written well before he'd written the other "DR" songs. It was planned to be put on Meat's follow up to "Bat". Song is ok, i love the musical chourus towards the end. Not my favorite Steinman song but I still find myself listening to it a lot. 6.5/10

07 Jul 2003, 12:42	#8
Jayd If I could bust into hell....... I would Join Date: 13.06.2003 Location: Montclair, New Jersey Posts: 1,312	Good song, I give it 7/10

17 Sep 2003, 08:07	#9
Quigmo Senior Loafer Join Date: 08.08.2003 Location: Nor Cal USA Posts: 111	Yet another disapointing Dead Ringer song. I just can't stand the sound of this album. A fitting end to a disappointing Album. 3/10

07 Nov 2003, 00:07	#10
RSG Mega Loafer Join Date: 27.07.2003 Location: Canada Posts: 3,296	Dead Ringer is my least liked album of Meat's. I rate it with an 8.5\10. I do like this song, I'd give it a 9\10. I like the music to it, and the vocals, and I'm trying to get a clear understanding of the song. I feel that it is better than Lost Boys & Golden Girls. my opinion. But not better than For Crying Out Loud. Great song on a good alum by an incredible singer written by a very smart songwriter.

08 Nov 2003, 23:35	#12
Woman of Steel Super Loafer Join Date: 07.11.2003 Location: In a prison that he thought was a home... Posts: 249	That album wasn't exactly what I had expected, but like all Steinman songs, you really have to listen to get the meaning. At least, it takes me a few times to really form my opinion of the song, it always changes. But all in all, it's a good song. 7/10

19 Jan 2004, 00:28	#13
LostSoul Got metal? Join Date: 06.11.2003 Location: Switzerland Posts: 2,109	I love that song. It's all in crescendo. As far as the meaning is concerned I've always thought that it was about the human race hability to put limits for everything (e.g. borders and laws...). We all would like Heaven to be on earth but we are aware that anarchy is utopia! "Everything is permitted"... is kinda irony! 9/10

19 Jan 2004, 11:52	#14
Bart Bald Mega Loafer Join Date: 06.03.2003 Location: Holland, but I prefer Greece Posts: 2,243	The guitar solo is great. best part of the song. The song is kinda simple and the lyrics are fabulous. 7/10.

26 Jan 2004, 09:28	#15
rockfenris2005 Mega Loafer Join Date: 16.02.2003 Location: Posts: 2,217	This song could be a toned-down REVOLUTION IN MUSIC from NEVERLAND. 10/10

19 Jun 2006, 04:36	#16
Jackoutofhell Super Loafer Join Date: 13.03.2006 Posts: 369	I've always thought of this as an extremely underrated song. Yes, it's slow, but not to the the point of being draggy, and the lyrics are brilliant. The vocals work well on this album, and I like how he sings without any backing. He should sing solo more often, in my opinion.

19 Jun 2006, 23:24	#17
PanicLord Mega Loafer Join Date: 18.06.2003 Location: At The End Of The Line Posts: 2,651	Dead Ringer is my favourite Meat album, as I think it contains some of the most beautiful and powerful lyrics Jim has ever written, and it is just jam-packed with emotion. Everything Is Permitted is no exception: "If everything is permitted If nothing is taboo Then there is always something shattered When there is something breaking thru Then there is always something shattered When there is something breaking thru Everything is permitted" I find very moving. I see this (along with clocks = 0, compass points = 0) as saying even at the very end of all things, when dreams themselves are shattered, there is always something - some little ray of hope - shining through. Powerful stuff, which I reckon deserves an 8.5/10. That's pretty high for me lol.

23 Jan 2007, 23:22	#18
Evil One Mega Loafer Join Date: 15.01.2007 Posts: 5,192	5. Good, but it sounds completely out of whack with the rest of the album.

25 Jan 2007, 22:39	#19
White of High Nature's Siegfried Join Date: 27.05.2002 Location: Budapest, Hungary Posts: 2,930	Average: 6.92 (103.8/15)

25 Jan 2007, 23:35	#20
RadioMaster The German Join Date: 11.03.2006 Location: some kind of hunting lodge for rich weirdos... Posts: 15,778	I dont know....That song hasnt got anything for me. It´s too simple.......it´s boring. The same way as Cry to Heaven. Probably my least favourite Steinman Song. 5 got some good lyrics though

26 Jan 2007, 02:49	#21
samurai7 Rock Star Join Date: 09.05.2005 Location: The future... Posts: 2,928	This is the only song on DR that I took a while to get into. Now I love it. 8

13 Feb 2007, 13:09	#24
03gills Loafer Join Date: 07.03.2004 Posts: 73	oops forgot to mark! on dead ringer 7/10 but potentially 10/10

30 Aug 2009, 16:17	#25
florence75015 Senior Loafer Join Date: 15.08.2009 Location: Paris Posts: 110	A great song of "Dead Ringer" 9/10