Bat 3 or Hang Cool Teddy Bear

**Monstro** · 17 Oct 2010, 05:56

Ok, I was online tonight with the Ipod and a bottle of Teachers (now empty) and I got to thinking that with all the debates this is the question that's never been asked..................

Bat 3 or HCTB?

Let me know which one and why................

Wario · 17 Oct 2010, 06:06

HCTB, simply because of my reasoning:

Bat 3

Strong Songs: (7 songs)
TMIL
BAAB
BFG
Pigs
Future
Monstro/Alive
Break It

Weak Songs (4 songs):
COM
IGCT
IACBTMN
CTH

HCTB:

Strong Songs (10 songs):
POE
LOTO
LA
IICJY
LAR
DYELS
California
If It Rains
Running Away
Elvis

Weak Songs (3 Songs):
Lesbian love
Stab me in the back
SOM

3 weak song compared to 4, so HCTB wins in my case.

carole · 17 Oct 2010, 06:10

Not to take anything away from Bat 3, but it has to be HCTB. I love Bat 3, but love HCTB just a little bit more. Love all the powerful songs, Meat's great vocals and everything about it.

Carole

Sarge · 17 Oct 2010, 06:20

HCTB because the overall atmosphere surrounding the album is better.

Bat III wasn't what I expected, Steinman wasn't directly involved and contributed only a handful of (old) songs, too much focusing on Desmond & Co., it didn't appear like a real Meat Loaf album to me and it's certainly not what a Bat album is supposed to be. I had an unpleasant feeling once I saw the IACBTM video, I disliked the promo, was disappointed by the second single and depressed by the way the tour went. That has somehow spoilt the album for me, in spite of some pretty good songs. With regard to HCTB it's only Patrick that gives me stomach ache.

Wario · 17 Oct 2010, 06:27

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Originally Posted by Sarge

HCTB because the overall atmosphere surrounding the album is better.

exactly the word i was looking for

Dave · 17 Oct 2010, 06:27

This is a very ignorant poll. Just sayin' ...

Bat III was an album that is the completion of part of a corporate franchise.

HCTB was an album that is an independent vision of an artist making a change in his normal style.

I am dead sober and going to say this is about as good as starting a poll of which is better "apples" or "oranges" - it really is.

Wario · 17 Oct 2010, 06:30

not really. its just a poll seeing which of meat's two most recent albums did we like better.

daveake · 17 Oct 2010, 06:56

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Originally Posted by Dave

This is a very ignorant poll. Just sayin' ...

Bat III was an album that is the completion of part of a corporate franchise.

Hmmm. Not sure I should touch this one as it's been done to death, but Bat III didn't complete the franchise so much as it shot the Bat legacy in the foot-acy.

See, I only replied so I could get that joke in

Answering the poll, if I was forced to choose to play either album it would have to be Bat III, since it does at least contain some songs worth listening to (and no, I don't mean the Steinman ones 'cos DC murdered those). HCTB I can't listen to at all.

Dave

Evil One · 17 Oct 2010, 07:20

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Originally Posted by daveake

if I was forced to choose to play either album it would have to be Bat III, since it does at least contain some songs worth listening to (and no, I don't mean the Steinman ones 'cos DC murdered those). HCTB I can't listen to at all.

This sums up my feelings pretty nicely. Bat 3 was nowhere near what it should have been, but I still think it's better than HCTB. Now if you could take the production quality and Meat's vocals from HCTB and apply it to three quarters of Bat 3, you'd have an amazing album, just as long as it wasn't called Bat 3!

Mr. Happy · 17 Oct 2010, 09:00

Personally, HCTB. It's All Coming Back To Me Now, Seize the Night and In the Land of the Pig were all decent, but the rest definitely could have been a lot better (*cough* Future *cough*).

HCTB, on the other hand, has 13 amazing songs (not to mention 2 awesome B Sides), with Elvis in Vegas and Song of Madness being two of the best songs recorded since Bat 2.

So yeah, my vote goes to Hang Cool Teddy Bear

Elijah's way · 17 Oct 2010, 11:21

Song Of Madness alone makes HCTB the better album.

no really, the reason HCTB is the better album is because the production is way better, song writing is better, the whole atmosphere is better, no negativity surrounding it like it was for Bat 3 and there's no Desmond Child.

Strong songs for HCTB: 11
Song Of Madness
Peace On Earth
Did You Ever Love Somebody
Let's Be In Love
Living On The Outside
California Isn't Big Enough
If I Can't Have You
Running Away From Me
If It Rains
Elvis In Vegas
Love Is Not Real

Weak songs: 2
I do like this song but it is one of the weak ones. Los Angeloser
Crap song -Like A Rose

First of all I really like Bat 3 but HCTB is better.
The reason Bat 3 is the worst of the 2 is because Desmond Child, rehash of old Stineman songs, no new Stineman songs, Bad For Good.

Strongest songs from Bat 3: 8
Blind As A Bat
The Monster Is Loose
In The Land Of The Pig
If God Could Talk
Cry Over Me
The Future Ain't What It Used To Be
It's All Coming Back to Me Now
If It Ain't Broke, Break It

The weak songs: 5
Bad for Good
Seize the Night
Cry to Heaven
Monstro/Alive
What About Love?

Evil One · 17 Oct 2010, 12:55

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Originally Posted by Elijah's way

no really, the reason HCTB is the better album is because the production is way better, song writing is better, the whole atmosphere is better, no negativity surrounding it like it was for Bat 3 and there's no Desmond Child

I have to take issue with you saying the songwriting is better on HCTB. Five of the Steinman songs are awesome, it is just the production that lets them down. A few of the other songs aren't too shabby either. Whatever negativity there is surrounding Bat 3 shouldn't affect your view on the content.

Elijah's way · 17 Oct 2010, 13:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by Evil One

I have to take issue with you saying the songwriting is better on HCTB. Five of the Steinman songs are awesome, it is just the production that lets them down. A few of the other songs aren't too shabby either. Whatever negativity there is surrounding Bat 3 shouldn't affect your view on the content.

well I do like the majority of the songwriting on it but Steinman has only 4 good songs on there and he didn't write any of them for Bat 3. And I love BAAB it's one of my favorite songs that Meat has done. and you are right the negativity there is surrounding Bat 3 shouldn't affect me at all but it does a little. it just sucks that Meat hates it and wasn't into it.

Evil One · 17 Oct 2010, 13:38

Steinman only wrote a couple of songs specifically for Bat 2, and the rest were recycled. That doesn't stop it being a brilliant album.

Elijah's way · 17 Oct 2010, 13:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by Evil One

Steinman only wrote a couple of songs specifically for Bat 2, and the rest were recycled. That doesn't stop it being a brilliant album.

that's not what meant!!

Cherry.Loaf · 17 Oct 2010, 13:56

I'm going to say Hang Cool Teddy Bear it's a difficult choice for me but I prefer the story of Hang Cool and will never forget the amazing time I had on the release day and the excitment I had listening to sneak peaks of the song and reading extracts from the story

Evil One · 17 Oct 2010, 14:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by Elijah's way

that's not what meant!!

What did you mean then? If Jim did Bat 3 then it would most likely have been 2/3rds recycled material too.

duke knooby · 17 Oct 2010, 14:54

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Originally Posted by Evil One

What did you mean then? If Jim did Bat 3 then it would most likely have been 2/3rds recycled material too.

or 84% perhaps

TSR · 17 Oct 2010, 14:57

It has to be Hang Cool Teddy Bear. Simply because, it's not trying to be something it so blatantly is not. A few quick thoughts if I may...

Hang Cool Teddy Bear, is exactly what it says on the tin. It's Meat Loaf working in a positive atmosphere with some extremely talented individuals making the album he has always wanted to make. No big franchise to live up to. No calculator money men interfering in the creative process. No big worries about keeping the Steinman purists happy. And crucially, little or no attempt on the part of the songwriters to do the impossible and replicate Steinman.

By contrast, Bat III is a cynical attempt on the part of the record companies to cash in on a sacred legacy. When profit comes before creativity, you're doomed to fail. The biggest problem with Bat III from the outset, was Bat II - Which is to my mind, the greatest 70+ minutes of music ever committed to disc. Nothing could top that.

With Steinman out of the picture and Desmond drafted in the whole thing became farcical - A hopeless pursuit of something that was never going to be achieved. The seven non-Steinman tracks on the album, aren't bad as such, just painfully out of place alongside the Steinman tracks. The whole lot lumped together and given Desmond's clumsy (at best) production treatment didn't create a Bat record. It created a dis-jointed mess.

So yes, Hang Cool Teddy Bear every day of the week for me. It unpretentious, it's not trying to be something it's not. It's loud, it's proud. It does exactly what it says on the tin.

...I really should post here more often.

daveake · 17 Oct 2010, 15:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by duke knooby

or 84% perhaps

84% is the new 66.66666666666666667%

daveake · 17 Oct 2010, 15:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by Evil One

I have to take issue with you saying the songwriting is better on HCTB. Five of the Steinman songs are awesome, it is just the production that lets them down. A few of the other songs aren't too shabby either. Whatever negativity there is surrounding Bat 3 shouldn't affect your view on the content.

Absolutely. All of the Bat3 Steinman songs have been done better elsewhere. And this is not a poke at Meat - I lay the blame firmly at DC's door.

Elijah's way · 17 Oct 2010, 16:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by Evil One

What did you mean then? If Jim did Bat 3 then it would most likely have been 2/3rds recycled material too.

why does it matter?!?

Steve6 · 17 Oct 2010, 16:35

Bat 3 by a long way. I'm going to be blunt here but HCTB has only one awesome song, and that's "Song of Madness". The rest is very mediocre. Compared to Meat's albums of the past, it's very very poor.

Look at the individual songs on Bat 3; BAAB, Pigs, and Alive, they are all better songs than anything on HCTB. The only reason it's winning the poll is because it's the new album. It's certainly not better in my opinion.

Elijah's way · 17 Oct 2010, 16:39

I doubt it's winning because it's the new album.

Put it in a poll against Bat 1 and Bat 2 and it will lose. and it probably will against WTTNH.

AndrewG · 17 Oct 2010, 16:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve6

Bat 3 by a long way. I'm going to be blunt here but HCTB has only one awesome song, and that's "Song of Madness". The rest is very mediocre. Compared to Meat's albums of the past, it's very very poor.

Look at the individual songs on Bat 3; BAAB, Pigs, and Alive, they are all better songs than anything on HCTB. The only reason it's winning the poll is because it's the new album. It's certainly not better in my opinion.

I must be losing my mind because I agree with you 100%.

View Poll Results: Bat 3 or HCTB
Bat 3	9	25.71%
HCTB	26	74.29%
Voters: 35. You may not vote on this poll

17 Oct 2010, 05:56	#1
Monstro Promoted to Wario's spellchecker Join Date: 17.09.2005 Location: London Posts: 12,947	Bat 3 or Hang Cool Teddy Bear Ok, I was online tonight with the Ipod and a bottle of Teachers (now empty) and I got to thinking that with all the debates this is the question that's never been asked.................. Bat 3 or HCTB? Let me know which one and why................

17 Oct 2010, 14:57	#19
TSR Junior Loafer Join Date: 22.08.2009 Location: Posts: 38	Hang Cool Teddy Bear - It Does Exactly What It Says On The Tin... It has to be Hang Cool Teddy Bear. Simply because, it's not trying to be something it so blatantly is not. A few quick thoughts if I may... Hang Cool Teddy Bear, is exactly what it says on the tin. It's Meat Loaf working in a positive atmosphere with some extremely talented individuals making the album he has always wanted to make. No big franchise to live up to. No calculator money men interfering in the creative process. No big worries about keeping the Steinman purists happy. And crucially, little or no attempt on the part of the songwriters to do the impossible and replicate Steinman. By contrast, Bat III is a cynical attempt on the part of the record companies to cash in on a sacred legacy. When profit comes before creativity, you're doomed to fail. The biggest problem with Bat III from the outset, was Bat II - Which is to my mind, the greatest 70+ minutes of music ever committed to disc. Nothing could top that. With Steinman out of the picture and Desmond drafted in the whole thing became farcical - A hopeless pursuit of something that was never going to be achieved. The seven non-Steinman tracks on the album, aren't bad as such, just painfully out of place alongside the Steinman tracks. The whole lot lumped together and given Desmond's clumsy (at best) production treatment didn't create a Bat record. It created a dis-jointed mess. So yes, Hang Cool Teddy Bear every day of the week for me. It unpretentious, it's not trying to be something it's not. It's loud, it's proud. It does exactly what it says on the tin. ...I really should post here more often.

17 Oct 2010, 06:06	#2
Wario Monstro helps me spell things... Join Date: 05.01.2007 Location: Masculine, Pennsylvania Posts: 9,105	HCTB, simply because of my reasoning: Bat 3 Strong Songs: (7 songs) TMIL BAAB BFG Pigs Future Monstro/Alive Break It Weak Songs (4 songs): COM IGCT IACBTMN CTH HCTB: Strong Songs (10 songs): POE LOTO LA IICJY LAR DYELS California If It Rains Running Away Elvis Weak Songs (3 Songs): Lesbian love Stab me in the back SOM 3 weak song compared to 4, so HCTB wins in my case.

17 Oct 2010, 06:10	#3
carole Mega Loafer Join Date: 20.10.2007 Location: Gold Coast Posts: 2,286	Not to take anything away from Bat 3, but it has to be HCTB. I love Bat 3, but love HCTB just a little bit more. Love all the powerful songs, Meat's great vocals and everything about it. Carole

17 Oct 2010, 06:20	#4
Sarge Mega Loafer Join Date: 08.05.2008 Posts: 3,562	HCTB because the overall atmosphere surrounding the album is better. Bat III wasn't what I expected, Steinman wasn't directly involved and contributed only a handful of (old) songs, too much focusing on Desmond & Co., it didn't appear like a real Meat Loaf album to me and it's certainly not what a Bat album is supposed to be. I had an unpleasant feeling once I saw the IACBTM video, I disliked the promo, was disappointed by the second single and depressed by the way the tour went. That has somehow spoilt the album for me, in spite of some pretty good songs. With regard to HCTB it's only Patrick that gives me stomach ache.

17 Oct 2010, 06:27	#6
Dave Mega Loafer Join Date: 12.04.2002 Location: Southern Ohio - United States of America Posts: 2,564	This is a very ignorant poll. Just sayin' ... Bat III was an album that is the completion of part of a corporate franchise. HCTB was an album that is an independent vision of an artist making a change in his normal style. I am dead sober and going to say this is about as good as starting a poll of which is better "apples" or "oranges" - it really is.

17 Oct 2010, 06:30	#7
Wario Monstro helps me spell things... Join Date: 05.01.2007 Location: Masculine, Pennsylvania Posts: 9,105	not really. its just a poll seeing which of meat's two most recent albums did we like better.

17 Oct 2010, 09:00	#10
Mr. Happy Guest Join Date: 13.02.2010 Location: Posts: 736	Personally, HCTB. It's All Coming Back To Me Now, Seize the Night and In the Land of the Pig were all decent, but the rest definitely could have been a lot better (cough Future cough). HCTB, on the other hand, has 13 amazing songs (not to mention 2 awesome B Sides), with Elvis in Vegas and Song of Madness being two of the best songs recorded since Bat 2. So yeah, my vote goes to Hang Cool Teddy Bear

17 Oct 2010, 11:21	#11
Elijah's way Soul Auctioneer Join Date: 26.06.2005 Location: Muscle Shoals, AL Posts: 1,529	Song Of Madness alone makes HCTB the better album. no really, the reason HCTB is the better album is because the production is way better, song writing is better, the whole atmosphere is better, no negativity surrounding it like it was for Bat 3 and there's no Desmond Child. Strong songs for HCTB: 11 Song Of Madness Peace On Earth Did You Ever Love Somebody Let's Be In Love Living On The Outside California Isn't Big Enough If I Can't Have You Running Away From Me If It Rains Elvis In Vegas Love Is Not Real Weak songs: 2 I do like this song but it is one of the weak ones. Los Angeloser Crap song -Like A Rose First of all I really like Bat 3 but HCTB is better. The reason Bat 3 is the worst of the 2 is because Desmond Child, rehash of old Stineman songs, no new Stineman songs, Bad For Good. Strongest songs from Bat 3: 8 Blind As A Bat The Monster Is Loose In The Land Of The Pig If God Could Talk Cry Over Me The Future Ain't What It Used To Be It's All Coming Back to Me Now If It Ain't Broke, Break It The weak songs: 5 Bad for Good Seize the Night Cry to Heaven Monstro/Alive What About Love?

17 Oct 2010, 13:38	#14
Evil One Mega Loafer Join Date: 15.01.2007 Posts: 5,192	Steinman only wrote a couple of songs specifically for Bat 2, and the rest were recycled. That doesn't stop it being a brilliant album.

17 Oct 2010, 13:56	#16
Cherry.Loaf Los Angeloser Join Date: 02.04.2010 Location: Bristol Posts: 1,072	I'm going to say Hang Cool Teddy Bear it's a difficult choice for me but I prefer the story of Hang Cool and will never forget the amazing time I had on the release day and the excitment I had listening to sneak peaks of the song and reading extracts from the story

17 Oct 2010, 16:35	#23
Steve6 Batman Join Date: 28.11.2005 Location: Ireland Posts: 1,690	Bat 3 by a long way. I'm going to be blunt here but HCTB has only one awesome song, and that's "Song of Madness". The rest is very mediocre. Compared to Meat's albums of the past, it's very very poor. Look at the individual songs on Bat 3; BAAB, Pigs, and Alive, they are all better songs than anything on HCTB. The only reason it's winning the poll is because it's the new album. It's certainly not better in my opinion.

17 Oct 2010, 16:39	#24
Elijah's way Soul Auctioneer Join Date: 26.06.2005 Location: Muscle Shoals, AL Posts: 1,529	I doubt it's winning because it's the new album. Put it in a poll against Bat 1 and Bat 2 and it will lose. and it probably will against WTTNH.