58. I'd Lie For You (And That's the Truth)

White of High · 05 Mar 2003, 21:08

This is the START OUT OF HELL & ARRIVE TO HEAVEN topic.
Let's Go to Rock 'n' Roll!!!!!!!

I'd Lie For You (And That's The Truth) (8)

So hard! I hate this song but I know it's good. I think Diane Warren copied I'd Do Anything For Love. Why say it?
Try to show it for a woman/man who has never heard I'd Lie For You and she/he will say it's I'd Do Anything For Love! It's sure! I know that our ears hear differently. Well, I think it's copy.
And when you ask this woman or man she or he will say is good. Maybe good. Yes! It's good but I hate!

My score: 8

Average: 8.56 (145.5/17)

Michel · 06 Mar 2003, 20:03

First I want to say that it isn't a clone of I'd Do Anything For Love, because nobody can clone Jim's music!

Amazing duet, especially live! Great solo in the middle of the song!

My score: 8

Garrett · 06 Mar 2003, 21:39

This forum is fulla crazy guys!! I can't believe, that there are people, who rate this song with an 8!! That's shocking and horrible!! Are ya drunk, or what?? I'm very angry!! How could you do this?? So, I hope this is clear enough to tell you, what you've done! Man, I can't get it in my mind, how you can give it an 8! "I'd Lie For You" is so..., so..., I don't have any words for it! Shortly, it's FANTASTIC!!! And Diane Warren is a great composer!

10+/10

Bart · 06 Mar 2003, 22:33

Amen!

10/10

Michel · 07 Mar 2003, 13:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by Garrett

This forum is fulla crazy guys!! I can't believe, that there are people, who rate this song with an 8!! That's shocking and horrible!! Are ya drunk, or what?? I'm very angry!! How could you do this?? So, I hope this is clear enough to tell you, what you've done! Man, I can't get it in my mind, how you can give it an 8! "I'd Lie For You" is so..., so..., I don't have any words for it! Shortly, it's FANTASTIC!!! And Diane Warren is a great composer!

10+/10

Garret, I've explained why I don't give high grades! Better read opther subjects! I don't want to explain things a thousand times!

And everybody has his own opinion!

I know also people who tell that they won't be a fan anymore, because the album delayed!

Just respect other opinions and please don't tell me I'm drunk or something!

**The Flying Mouse** · 12 Mar 2003, 18:38

Fantastic duet.
Very powerful.Not to be too gross,but I remember,when I was learning to sing this song,I would often want to be physically sick in the instrumental

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This song got to number 2 in the British charts,but it deserved so much to get to number 1

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The song that beat it to the top spot was Gangsta's Paradise by Coolio.Is there no justice

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The other two songs to hit No. 1 while "I'd Lie For You" was in the charts were...
I Believe/Up On The Roof - Robson & Jerome
Earth Song - Michael Jackson

The lyrics,and the whole feel of the song are amazing.It is easy to compare it to Anything For Love,because they are both duets,they both start slowly before going into a heavier style and both feature the word "I'd" a lot.However,I don't think it's fair to call it a "clone".For all it's simalaraties,it is a very different sound.
9/10 And that's the truth.

Garrett wrote

Quote:

This forum is fulla crazy guys!!

What?Have you only just noticed?

M.Bison · 15 Mar 2003, 16:29

Well what more can I say? It grew into a big song with a big video and you can try and tear it down. This probably is the best Non-Steinman song second only to CHSIB as users are starting to say.

Here's the rating: 10+/10

Now I Couldn't Have Said That Better Myself.

mariella · 24 Jul 2003, 21:53

8,5/10

Because I like CHSIB and Anything Much more. But brilliant lyrics.

Mariella

Wild_Honey · 24 Jul 2003, 21:57

Aaaaah my absolute all-time favourite!!!!! 11/10!!!!

Evan · 25 Jul 2003, 02:47

I HATE this song. It should've been called "How To Copy Anything For Love Without Even Trying At All". Not only is it a copy of "Anything For Love" but also the lyrics are just stupid. As Jim Steinman as clearly pointed out before "I'd lie for you" big deal, that really says much. Now if they had spelled lie lye, "I'd Lye For You" that would've been good. Awful song.

0/10

Bart · 25 Jul 2003, 16:17

it is not a ripp off. it's a total different song. it is not right if you say so. it has nothing in common with JS. the chorus is great and the vocals are great too.
8/10

Bart · 25 Jul 2003, 16:18

i mean 10/10. i like it very very very much. it makes me really happy.

Sapphire Lady · 25 Jul 2003, 16:25

I don't think Diane Warren copied Anything for Love - she copied REO Speedwagon's Keep on Loving You. The tune is very similar.

And Evan, I don't really understand your comment that it should be called I'd Lye For You. There's no word spelt "lye" in the Queen's English. As you're in Florida I guess it must be an Americanism. Are you saying you think the song should be referring to lie down rather than than tell a lie?

Maybe I've misunderstood what you're saying, but I think that would just be silly. The title is actually very clever, with the juxtaposing of the contradictory words "lie" and "truth".

evil nickname · 25 Jul 2003, 17:21

I've got an artice here in which Meat states that he

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hans van den Heuvel, Oor Magazine, December 1995

[is not] too sure that I'd Lie For You (And That's The Truth) isn't a Steinman-title. He didn't get credit for it, but he has had several meetings with Diane Warren while she was writing that song.

I'd don't believe this actually, but in the same article he also states that it "propably has influences" from Anything For Love and 2/3. So if even Meat sees that ILFY is in the same style as Anything For Love and 2/3... I'd like to know why you think it isn't.

Evan · 25 Jul 2003, 18:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sapphire Lady

There's no word spelt "lye" in the Queen's English.

Sorry, you're right, lye isn't a word, it's actually originally a strong, alkaline solution obtained by leaching wood ashes. Lye is used in cleaning and in making soap.
I was referring to song being about lying down on a bed, making it humerous.

As for this being a Steinman title, Jimmy has joked about how awful he thinks the title is. If he did come up with it he was probably just joking.

Jayd · 25 Jul 2003, 20:29

Copy of this, copy of that. IT'S NOT A COPY OF ANYTHING. It's I'd Lie For You And That's the truth and it's a great song, full stop. People say the same about CHSIB and it being familiar to Anything for love. Each song is it's own.10/10

MjP2 · 25 Jul 2003, 20:58

I don't think the title is that clever. More like pseudo-clever in the typival Warren-way. I'm not a big fan of hers and I think this is clearly her best song with Meat Loaf. A nice song, really.

If it just had been written before Anything for Love. I can't understand the people claiming there's nothing similar. Listen to the piano intro of the song. Duh. There are many people around who have never heard the song and when they are played the intro they assume it's Anything for love. I've tried...

I can't find any message in the lyrics, either. There are one or two lines i like, however.

About folks claiming that CHSIB is a clone of Anything for love: I don't agree. It's a copy of I'd lie for you. Compare the parts "I'd lie for you and that's the truth" and "I couldn't have said it better myself". Well, how close can it get.

Still, I'll give I'd lie for you 7/10 which I think is quite good.

MjP2

heat · 26 Jul 2003, 10:16

Good song, not Great, but ok.

7/10

Terri · 27 Jul 2003, 23:21

I think this is a good song in it's own right!

It is a powerful song with beautiful lyrics:

Your every wish will be a wish that I will make come true and if you want the moon I swear I'll bring it down for you.............and You will never see a day I'll ever break your heart, you'll see the sky fall down before it ever gets that far......

It's a good song that makes me feel good!
9/10

RSG · 03 Aug 2003, 13:15

10+\10 straight up, no doubt, I love this song (and thats the truth)
have you ever seen the live version music video, i have it, & i have to say I love it. My friend (who sort of likes meat loaf) downloaded it for me through kazaa, (only place to get it?) and this part here is my favourite.
oh and one other thing, its not a clone of anything for love, but when i first heard of it, anything for love did come to my mind first, before i thought this is beautiful song. second later , i realized its wonderful song. as for my favourite part in this live video goes like this

At the Part, where Patti says and you will never see a day I'll ever break your heart ( as she is saying this line and ones after meat is walking around her mouth open wide getting ready to sing along with her. Then meat starts sing in with her "heaven every second that you're in my arm! baby i'm crazy but i'm crazy about yooooou!!!!! then Meat and Patti face drums, out of the way, as the amazing guitar solo is being played, as the man doing solo, is in back middle stage, (back is really close to audience, so i'm told) this lasts for a minute or more. then he steps back, and meat and patti, start doing the chorus, they end the chourus lights go dark. keeping in mind this sounds better different then album, & meat says i'd walk across the fire for you, in a talking meaning ful way and patti says i'd move mountains if you want me to. as she says want me to meat standing starts to crouch down says OH! and raises mic in air as crouching then brings it down to where he is crouching, and very deep, and super very strong, meat sings "i'd walk across the (he sings out loud a very long WIRE, then "for you" calmly in middle of his delievery patti sings do anything you ask me too. Then both say I'd Lie For You, & humerously, Meat says, HA! and finish (& that's the truth) and finish the 50 seconds left of the song. my favourite part of this live version of the song. I know long description, but that is the best way to describe that scene.

shadow1000001 · 03 Aug 2003, 21:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wild_Honey

Aaaaah my absolute all-time favourite!!!!! 11/10!!!!

I totally agree with you Wild_Honey.

Maria

Quigmo · 17 Sep 2003, 04:19

This is a great non-Steinman ML recording. Excellent comand of the voice here no doubt. Very powerful delivery. Great tune.
10/10

Skeleton · 24 Apr 2004, 21:36

I like this song. Nice music and beautiful lyrics. Wonderful.

9/10

rockfenris2005 · 25 Apr 2004, 13:17

This song is bull and so is the rest of the album.

0/10.

KebLou · 25 Apr 2004, 13:36

I can't comment on the album as I haven't got that album, but I do love this song, in fact its one of the ones I always skip over and forget about but when I remember it I love listening to it, I love the opening, its is a song which if listened to often can be boring and irritating, 7/10

05 Mar 2003, 21:08	#1
White of High Nature's Siegfried Join Date: 27.05.2002 Location: Budapest, Hungary Posts: 2,930	58. I'd Lie For You (And That's the Truth) This is the START OUT OF HELL & ARRIVE TO HEAVEN topic. Let's Go to Rock 'n' Roll!!!!!!! I'd Lie For You (And That's The Truth) (8) So hard! I hate this song but I know it's good. I think Diane Warren copied I'd Do Anything For Love. Why say it? Try to show it for a woman/man who has never heard I'd Lie For You and she/he will say it's I'd Do Anything For Love! It's sure! I know that our ears hear differently. Well, I think it's copy. And when you ask this woman or man she or he will say is good. Maybe good. Yes! It's good but I hate! My score: 8 Average: 8.56 (145.5/17)

03 Aug 2003, 13:15	#20
RSG Mega Loafer Join Date: 27.07.2003 Location: Canada Posts: 3,296	My favourite part of LIVE video version of I'd Lie For You, 10+\10 straight up, no doubt, I love this song (and thats the truth) have you ever seen the live version music video, i have it, & i have to say I love it. My friend (who sort of likes meat loaf) downloaded it for me through kazaa, (only place to get it?) and this part here is my favourite. oh and one other thing, its not a clone of anything for love, but when i first heard of it, anything for love did come to my mind first, before i thought this is beautiful song. second later , i realized its wonderful song. as for my favourite part in this live video goes like this At the Part, where Patti says and you will never see a day I'll ever break your heart ( as she is saying this line and ones after meat is walking around her mouth open wide getting ready to sing along with her. Then meat starts sing in with her "heaven every second that you're in my arm! baby i'm crazy but i'm crazy about yooooou!!!!! then Meat and Patti face drums, out of the way, as the amazing guitar solo is being played, as the man doing solo, is in back middle stage, (back is really close to audience, so i'm told) this lasts for a minute or more. then he steps back, and meat and patti, start doing the chorus, they end the chourus lights go dark. keeping in mind this sounds better different then album, & meat says i'd walk across the fire for you, in a talking meaning ful way and patti says i'd move mountains if you want me to. as she says want me to meat standing starts to crouch down says OH! and raises mic in air as crouching then brings it down to where he is crouching, and very deep, and super very strong, meat sings "i'd walk across the (he sings out loud a very long WIRE, then "for you" calmly in middle of his delievery patti sings do anything you ask me too. Then both say I'd Lie For You, & humerously, Meat says, HA! and finish (& that's the truth) and finish the 50 seconds left of the song. my favourite part of this live version of the song. I know long description, but that is the best way to describe that scene.

06 Mar 2003, 20:03	#2
Michel Mega Loafer Join Date: 14.04.2002 Location: Stadskanaal, The Netherlands Posts: 1,631	First I want to say that it isn't a clone of I'd Do Anything For Love, because nobody can clone Jim's music! Amazing duet, especially live! Great solo in the middle of the song! My score: 8

06 Mar 2003, 21:39	#3
Garrett Super Loafer Join Date: 30.05.2002 Location: In the room at the top Posts: 291	This forum is fulla crazy guys!! I can't believe, that there are people, who rate this song with an 8!! That's shocking and horrible!! Are ya drunk, or what?? I'm very angry!! How could you do this?? So, I hope this is clear enough to tell you, what you've done! Man, I can't get it in my mind, how you can give it an 8! "I'd Lie For You" is so..., so..., I don't have any words for it! Shortly, it's FANTASTIC!!! And Diane Warren is a great composer! 10+/10

06 Mar 2003, 22:33	#4
Bart Bald Mega Loafer Join Date: 06.03.2003 Location: Holland, but I prefer Greece Posts: 2,243	Amen! 10/10

15 Mar 2003, 16:29	#7
M.Bison The Lurker in The Shadows Join Date: 02.12.2002 Location: Cork Posts: 209	Well what more can I say? It grew into a big song with a big video and you can try and tear it down. This probably is the best Non-Steinman song second only to CHSIB as users are starting to say. Here's the rating: 10+/10 Now I Couldn't Have Said That Better Myself.

24 Jul 2003, 21:53	#8
mariella Mega Loafer Join Date: 04.02.2003 Location: Holland Posts: 4,063	8,5/10 Because I like CHSIB and Anything Much more. But brilliant lyrics. Mariella

24 Jul 2003, 21:57	#9
Wild_Honey Super Loafer Join Date: 23.03.2003 Location: Windeck, Germany Posts: 606	Aaaaah my absolute all-time favourite!!!!! 11/10!!!!

25 Jul 2003, 02:47	#10
Evan Super Loafer Join Date: 03.07.2003 Location: Florida, USA Posts: 216	I HATE this song. It should've been called "How To Copy Anything For Love Without Even Trying At All". Not only is it a copy of "Anything For Love" but also the lyrics are just stupid. As Jim Steinman as clearly pointed out before "I'd lie for you" big deal, that really says much. Now if they had spelled lie lye, "I'd Lye For You" that would've been good. Awful song. 0/10

25 Jul 2003, 16:17	#11
Bart Bald Mega Loafer Join Date: 06.03.2003 Location: Holland, but I prefer Greece Posts: 2,243	it is not a ripp off. it's a total different song. it is not right if you say so. it has nothing in common with JS. the chorus is great and the vocals are great too. 8/10

25 Jul 2003, 16:18	#12
Bart Bald Mega Loafer Join Date: 06.03.2003 Location: Holland, but I prefer Greece Posts: 2,243	i mean 10/10. i like it very very very much. it makes me really happy.

25 Jul 2003, 16:25	#13
Sapphire Lady Mega Loafer Join Date: 21.04.2003 Location: Scotland Posts: 1,213	I don't think Diane Warren copied Anything for Love - she copied REO Speedwagon's Keep on Loving You. The tune is very similar. And Evan, I don't really understand your comment that it should be called I'd Lye For You. There's no word spelt "lye" in the Queen's English. As you're in Florida I guess it must be an Americanism. Are you saying you think the song should be referring to lie down rather than than tell a lie? Maybe I've misunderstood what you're saying, but I think that would just be silly. The title is actually very clever, with the juxtaposing of the contradictory words "lie" and "truth".

25 Jul 2003, 20:29	#16
Jayd If I could bust into hell....... I would Join Date: 13.06.2003 Location: Montclair, New Jersey Posts: 1,312	Copy of this, copy of that. IT'S NOT A COPY OF ANYTHING. It's I'd Lie For You And That's the truth and it's a great song, full stop. People say the same about CHSIB and it being familiar to Anything for love. Each song is it's own.10/10

25 Jul 2003, 20:58	#17
MjP2 Rookie Join Date: 11.02.2003 Posts: 19	I don't think the title is that clever. More like pseudo-clever in the typival Warren-way. I'm not a big fan of hers and I think this is clearly her best song with Meat Loaf. A nice song, really. If it just had been written before Anything for Love. I can't understand the people claiming there's nothing similar. Listen to the piano intro of the song. Duh. There are many people around who have never heard the song and when they are played the intro they assume it's Anything for love. I've tried... I can't find any message in the lyrics, either. There are one or two lines i like, however. About folks claiming that CHSIB is a clone of Anything for love: I don't agree. It's a copy of I'd lie for you. Compare the parts "I'd lie for you and that's the truth" and "I couldn't have said it better myself". Well, how close can it get. Still, I'll give I'd lie for you 7/10 which I think is quite good. MjP2

26 Jul 2003, 10:16	#18
heat Rampant Loafer... Join Date: 29.07.2002 Location: welshy wales Posts: 5,706	Good song, not Great, but ok. 7/10

27 Jul 2003, 23:21	#19
Terri Super T Join Date: 14.05.2003 Posts: 1,235	I think this is a good song in it's own right! It is a powerful song with beautiful lyrics: Your every wish will be a wish that I will make come true and if you want the moon I swear I'll bring it down for you.............and You will never see a day I'll ever break your heart, you'll see the sky fall down before it ever gets that far...... It's a good song that makes me feel good! 9/10

17 Sep 2003, 04:19	#22
Quigmo Senior Loafer Join Date: 08.08.2003 Location: Nor Cal USA Posts: 111	This is a great non-Steinman ML recording. Excellent comand of the voice here no doubt. Very powerful delivery. Great tune. 10/10

24 Apr 2004, 21:36	#23
Skeleton Mega Loafer Join Date: 13.10.2003 Location: Grinning, Ducking & Running Posts: 3,668	I like this song. Nice music and beautiful lyrics. Wonderful. 9/10

25 Apr 2004, 13:17	#24
rockfenris2005 Mega Loafer Join Date: 16.02.2003 Location: Posts: 2,217	This song is bull and so is the rest of the album. 0/10.

25 Apr 2004, 13:36	#25
KebLou Mega Loafer Join Date: 02.03.2004 Location: The Arena of the Unwell Posts: 3,177	I can't comment on the album as I haven't got that album, but I do love this song, in fact its one of the ones I always skip over and forget about but when I remember it I love listening to it, I love the opening, its is a song which if listened to often can be boring and irritating, 7/10