Santa Claus (Mikulás)

White of High · 05 Dec 2006, 10:25

In Hungary and some other countries 5th December night and 6th December morning is the night of Santa Claus (in Hungary call Mikulás).

Santa Claus was a bishop and he was famous about his gifts. His body is sleeping in Myra, Turkey. He started his gifting trip tonight and in Hungary the children get chocolate Santa Claus in the morning. We have to clean our boots, put it to the window and we get choclate Santa Claus and sometimes birch by buffer (what is elfin in West or US). Buffers (or elfins) were dirty children next to the bishop. They helped him to collect and to present gifts. Children get birch for that they should be better in the next year... (This date is not so far from the Lutheran new year)

Santa Claus has never worn red clothes. That's only 50 years old business step by Coca-Cola. Santa Claus was a bishop, and bishops wear purple mantle... (Milka yeahhh)

This is the legend of Santa Claus.

(In Hungary in Chritmas Eve the presents are not got by Santa Claus. The Little Jesus brings for us!)

White of High · 05 Dec 2006, 10:36

He was Santa Claus:

White of High · 05 Dec 2006, 10:38

And this is the original clothes (mantle) of a bishop. Well... Coca-Cola Santa Claus is a lie! :)

Rockette · 05 Dec 2006, 10:39

that's a nice theory. thanks for sharing. I've heard other theories, equally as convincing. I guess it comes down to personal beliefs.

White of High · 05 Dec 2006, 10:40

Nono... he was a historical person. His grave is in Myra (Demre) in South Turkey...

Rockette · 05 Dec 2006, 11:09

yeah, and I believe you. it's just that there are other (numerous) theories about when and where Santa (Father Mick Mack, or whatever else people want to call him) originated. it really does come down to your particular beliefs.

maybe there is more than one jolly fellow?

White of High · 05 Dec 2006, 20:21

Santa Claus is knocking on my window... I have to go.

djfierce · 05 Dec 2006, 21:09

I think the story depends on which country you live in.

Lord Kagan · 05 Dec 2006, 21:11

I have this in my religion notes, dunno why though, Nicholas of Myra, its true. I think i just seen cobwebs when i opened my notes there... not a good sign

White of High · 05 Dec 2006, 21:40

I got lot of choclates... hippiájjé!!!! And orange and nuts and... uuuuhhh... it's hard... szaloncukor... fondant? :)

Rockette · 06 Dec 2006, 03:42

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Originally Posted by djfierce

I think the story depends on which country you live in.

And your spiritual belief system which is not necessarily limited to just one country/zone.

mszee · 09 Dec 2006, 19:04

I think every country has their own stories/legends/myths about Santa Claus...

We call Santa Claus Father Frost...or...Ded Moroz..

djfierce · 09 Dec 2006, 19:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by mszee

I think every country has their own stories/legends/myths about Santa Claus...

We call Santa Claus Father Frost...or...Ded Moroz..

Well he's just Saint Nicholas over here

White of High · 09 Dec 2006, 20:33

There can be any legends but Saint Nicholas was a bishop...

**Ankie** · 09 Dec 2006, 21:41

We have the same in Holland. Sint Nicolaas and it is also on December 5th. It is about the same bisshop who is burried in Myra.
The dirty children you mention is put in another way; black pete.
They are the ones helping out Sint Nicolaas with presenting the gifts here.
And also the same you mention; chocolate is one of the main presents you receive in your shoe.
But the red robe you mention is how he is dressed here.

Chris · 09 Dec 2006, 21:46

The coca-cola idea of making him red is one of the biggest misconceptions of our times.

Coca Cola played no role in that. He was drawn like that in illustrations of the american media some 10 years before coke first used him in their advertising. it is merely the fact that they made the image well known makes people think they made him red.

mszee · 09 Dec 2006, 22:06

Our Santa Claus is actually seldom or never dressed in red.

Usually midnight blue robe decorated with stars or silver one.

More like a wizard than a saint I guess...

Chris · 09 Dec 2006, 22:11

Our santa claus looks awfully like my daddy.

And, if you promise not to tell anyone, I once saw Mommy kissing him.

mszee · 09 Dec 2006, 22:14

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Originally Posted by Chris

Our santa claus looks awfully like my daddy.

And, if you promise not to tell anyone, I once saw Mommy kissing him.

OK...I promise...shhhhh...

I thought you're going to post the picture...

White of High · 09 Dec 2006, 23:40

In Russia there's another name of Santa Claus, yep? There was a communist affect in Russia and Hungary too... maybe he is Winter Dad... or no?

mszee · 09 Dec 2006, 23:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by White of High

In Russia there's another name of Santa Claus, yep? There was a communist affect in Russia and Hungary too... maybe he is Winter Dad... or no?

Father Frost...or Ded Moroz...BUT...nothing to do with Communists...more with Russian folklore...

Christmas, however, and Christmas tree became respectively New Year and New Year's tree...one of those things...that communists did.

Still and all...the spirit was the same...just at a little different time.

Russian Orthodox Christmas falls anyway about 3 weeks after Christmas here - middle of January...

05 Dec 2006, 10:25	#1
White of High Nature's Siegfried Join Date: 27.05.2002 Location: Budapest, Hungary Posts: 2,930	Santa Claus (Mikulás) In Hungary and some other countries 5th December night and 6th December morning is the night of Santa Claus (in Hungary call Mikulás). Santa Claus was a bishop and he was famous about his gifts. His body is sleeping in Myra, Turkey. He started his gifting trip tonight and in Hungary the children get chocolate Santa Claus in the morning. We have to clean our boots, put it to the window and we get choclate Santa Claus and sometimes birch by buffer (what is elfin in West or US). Buffers (or elfins) were dirty children next to the bishop. They helped him to collect and to present gifts. Children get birch for that they should be better in the next year... (This date is not so far from the Lutheran new year) Santa Claus has never worn red clothes. That's only 50 years old business step by Coca-Cola. Santa Claus was a bishop, and bishops wear purple mantle... (Milka yeahhh) This is the legend of Santa Claus. (In Hungary in Chritmas Eve the presents are not got by Santa Claus. The Little Jesus brings for us!)

05 Dec 2006, 10:36	#2
White of High Nature's Siegfried Join Date: 27.05.2002 Location: Budapest, Hungary Posts: 2,930	He was Santa Claus:

05 Dec 2006, 10:38	#3
White of High Nature's Siegfried Join Date: 27.05.2002 Location: Budapest, Hungary Posts: 2,930	And this is the original clothes (mantle) of a bishop. Well... Coca-Cola Santa Claus is a lie! :)

05 Dec 2006, 10:39	#4
Rockette Mega Loafer Join Date: 10.06.2005 Location: I think! Posts: 4,805	that's a nice theory. thanks for sharing. I've heard other theories, equally as convincing. I guess it comes down to personal beliefs.

05 Dec 2006, 10:40	#5
White of High Nature's Siegfried Join Date: 27.05.2002 Location: Budapest, Hungary Posts: 2,930	Nono... he was a historical person. His grave is in Myra (Demre) in South Turkey...

05 Dec 2006, 11:09	#6
Rockette Mega Loafer Join Date: 10.06.2005 Location: I think! Posts: 4,805	yeah, and I believe you. it's just that there are other (numerous) theories about when and where Santa (Father Mick Mack, or whatever else people want to call him) originated. it really does come down to your particular beliefs. maybe there is more than one jolly fellow?

05 Dec 2006, 20:21	#7
White of High Nature's Siegfried Join Date: 27.05.2002 Location: Budapest, Hungary Posts: 2,930	Santa Claus is knocking on my window... I have to go.

05 Dec 2006, 21:09	#8
djfierce Mega Loafer Join Date: 15.06.2005 Location: Posts: 3,596	I think the story depends on which country you live in.

05 Dec 2006, 21:11	#9
Lord Kagan On the other hand, You have different fingers Join Date: 17.05.2006 Location: Belfast Posts: 8,833	I have this in my religion notes, dunno why though, Nicholas of Myra, its true. I think i just seen cobwebs when i opened my notes there... not a good sign

05 Dec 2006, 21:40	#10
White of High Nature's Siegfried Join Date: 27.05.2002 Location: Budapest, Hungary Posts: 2,930	I got lot of choclates... hippiájjé!!!! And orange and nuts and... uuuuhhh... it's hard... szaloncukor... fondant? :)

09 Dec 2006, 19:04	#12
mszee Mega Loafer Join Date: 28.03.2006 Location: And you think you're down under??? Posts: 26,252	I think every country has their own stories/legends/myths about Santa Claus... We call Santa Claus Father Frost...or...Ded Moroz..

09 Dec 2006, 20:33	#14
White of High Nature's Siegfried Join Date: 27.05.2002 Location: Budapest, Hungary Posts: 2,930	There can be any legends but Saint Nicholas was a bishop...

09 Dec 2006, 21:41	#15
Ankie Office manager Join Date: 25.04.2002 Posts: 1,883	We have the same in Holland. Sint Nicolaas and it is also on December 5th. It is about the same bisshop who is burried in Myra. The dirty children you mention is put in another way; black pete. They are the ones helping out Sint Nicolaas with presenting the gifts here. And also the same you mention; chocolate is one of the main presents you receive in your shoe. But the red robe you mention is how he is dressed here.

09 Dec 2006, 21:46	#16
Chris Mega Loafer Join Date: 14.04.2002 Location: Somewhere in the real world. Posts: 7,527	The coca-cola idea of making him red is one of the biggest misconceptions of our times. Coca Cola played no role in that. He was drawn like that in illustrations of the american media some 10 years before coke first used him in their advertising. it is merely the fact that they made the image well known makes people think they made him red.

09 Dec 2006, 22:06	#17
mszee Mega Loafer Join Date: 28.03.2006 Location: And you think you're down under??? Posts: 26,252	Our Santa Claus is actually seldom or never dressed in red. Usually midnight blue robe decorated with stars or silver one. More like a wizard than a saint I guess...

09 Dec 2006, 22:11	#18
Chris Mega Loafer Join Date: 14.04.2002 Location: Somewhere in the real world. Posts: 7,527	Our santa claus looks awfully like my daddy. And, if you promise not to tell anyone, I once saw Mommy kissing him.

09 Dec 2006, 23:40	#20
White of High Nature's Siegfried Join Date: 27.05.2002 Location: Budapest, Hungary Posts: 2,930	In Russia there's another name of Santa Claus, yep? There was a communist affect in Russia and Hungary too... maybe he is Winter Dad... or no?