Re-Recording Of Dead Ringer

Jackoutofhell · 17 Apr 2006, 18:59

Wouldn't that be awesome? Don't get me wrong. The album is awesome, but everyone knows his voice was strained. If he re-recorded the album now, it would sound a lot better, agree? I'm not sure how all of that would work, but his current voice is perfect and I'd LOVEEE a verison with it.

**RadioMaster** · 17 Apr 2006, 19:56

I think his voice is right for the most songs of DR.
But look at the version of DRFL with the MSO from 04, thats very good.
But i think a new DR version whouldn´t work, because i dont think that many people whould buy it.
Maybe he could do a live cd...
R.

L96 · 17 Apr 2006, 21:18

Oh, I dunno. Quite a lot of people would not have heard of Dead Ringer (eg, the crowd that got into Bat II) and Bat III *should* (going on past performace of Bats) get a new crowd who may not have heard of Meat, thsu it is possible they would buy a new recording of DR, depending upon the impact Bat III makes.

Another argument in favour of producing some sort of 30th anniversary packaged product (ooooh, I know I would buy the "every-album-from-the-career-of-Meat-Loaf" set in the pretty box). :B

chrissylf22 · 17 Apr 2006, 21:19

a live cd would be good

**RadioMaster** · 17 Apr 2006, 21:23

I think there will be in every case a 30th-anniversary-whatever
Maybe a big good-bye tour.
I personally thought, that Bat3 whould be released next year. Because that whould be the best PR ever.
"Now, 30 years after one of the greates albums in musical history,..."

L96 · 17 Apr 2006, 21:55

Yeah, me too.

Still, a lot can happen between now and October (not that I want the album delayed, October is a long enough wait), and I guess part of it depends on the angle that the PR and promo guys, plus the label, decide to take about the marketing.

Jaymze · 18 Apr 2006, 11:08

I think the album will probably be delayed anyway- most big projects are i.e movie productions and album released. It would be excellent PR on the 30th anniversary of Bat to release Bat III.

Pudding · 19 Apr 2006, 10:18

The only way I can see Dead Ringer getting re-recorded is if Meat Loaf did an unplugged Storytellers type thing, maybe with a stringed quartet or something. He could do Bat1 and Bat2 whilst he's at it or on a seperate night and release the DVD's seperately. Other than that I can't ever see it getting re-recorded for anything.

Pud

Ross · 19 Apr 2006, 10:55

After Bat III, if he was going to put the time and effort into rerecording an album, well I'd actually rather he just made a new album.

I don't think Dead Ringer is that bad.... not as well produced as some of the albums though.

**RadioMaster** · 19 Apr 2006, 11:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ross

After Bat III, if he was going to put the time and effort into rerecording an album, well I'd actually rather he just made a new album.

I don't think Dead Ringer is that bad.... not as well produced as some of the albums though.

I think you´re right.

Jackoutofhell · 12 May 2006, 03:13

Yeah, it's awesome, but it vexes me. His voice was so different.. and I keep asking myself if I would like the songs had they been recorded in his "now" voice. For some reason, they just seem to fit with that voice though.

mszee · 12 May 2006, 03:24

I love Dead Ringer...it's one of my favorite albums...

mszee · 12 May 2006, 03:25

For some reason I just thought of all those Hollywood movie remakes...not one of them was better than the original..

*AndyK* · 12 May 2006, 09:14

Friday morning spring clean time ... shuffling this over to TT&BH

**RadioMaster** · 12 May 2006, 15:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by meatloaf_fan90

Yeah, it's awesome, but it vexes me. His voice was so different.. and I keep asking myself if I would like the songs had they been recorded in his "now" voice. For some reason, they just seem to fit with that voice though.

Did You hear the MSO version of that song with Patti? That´s just awesome! Like i did already say somewhere, the best thing whould be a new DR-Live album on CD/DVD

Maybe they could get the movie from somewhere (if it still exists) for this...

rockfenris2005 · 15 May 2006, 13:52

Wasn't there a story about Meat Loaf and Pearl re-recording "Dead Ringer" in an acoustic version? I seem to remember reading that from somewhere...

I'm sure Meat has said the reason he doesn't sing those songs is because it was a difficult period in his life and he doesn't wish to be reminded. Well, with the exception of "Dead Ringer" that album is a lost treasure. I love how the 'tyre tracks' line from Peel Out was recycled in Whistle Down The Wind

**Diane** · 15 May 2006, 16:09

As a Brit I'm always a bit bemused when anyone refers to Dead Ringer as a lost treasure. The album entered the UK charts at #1 on its first week of release and Meat also scored a top five single. The following tour also saw him make his first big arena appearances in the UK at Birmingham NEC and Wembley. (He's happily been filling out arenas all over the UK ever since ... even when he hasn't had an album to promote, which is virtually unheard of!)

Admittedly Dead Ringer didn't sell anywhere near as many copies as BOOH or enjoy the incredible chart run of that album, but then how does anyone follow up something of that magnitude?!!!

I love the Dead Ringer album so of course I believe it was worthy of more recognition globally but 8 million copies worldwide is certainly not to be sniffed at!

Diane

PanicLord · 15 May 2006, 20:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by Diane

As a Brit I'm always a bit bemused when anyone refers to Dead Ringer as a lost treasure. The album entered the UK charts at #1 on its first week of release and Meat also scored a top five single. The following tour also saw him make his first big arena appearances in the UK at Birmingham NEC and Wembley. (He's happily been filling out arenas all over the UK ever since ... even when he hasn't had an album to promote, which is virtually unheard of!)

Admittedly Dead Ringer didn't sell anywhere near as many copies as BOOH or enjoy the incredible chart run of that album, but then how does anyone follow up something of that magnitude?!!!

I love the Dead Ringer album so of course I believe it was worthy of more recognition globally but 8 million copies worldwide is certainly not to be sniffed at!

Diane

Hooray! Exactly Diane, I 100% agree. I would love to see more songs from Dead Ringer live - especially REAW and IGLHFBOU. That would ROCK!

Jeanie · 15 May 2006, 21:01

I wouldn't mind seeing REAW and IGLHFBOU "live", either Trex. I like both of them, as well.

J.

**Diane** · 15 May 2006, 21:12

.... and let's not forget IKYIYDCB and MTYD.

Diane

PanicLord · 15 May 2006, 21:55

I could never forget them... :) The rest I am not massively fussed on (apart from DR itself, of course!)

Pudding · 15 May 2006, 23:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by Diane

As a Brit I'm always a bit bemused when anyone refers to Dead Ringer as a lost treasure.

Me too. The album sold around 5-8 million copies, there's nothing 'lost' about that. It's a shame that there wasn't any other single hits from it though besides DRFL.

Pud

rockfenris2005 · 16 May 2006, 09:52

The album did succeed in Britain. It was also the second album of Meat Loaf after BAT OUT OF HELL...

It's surprising that it didn't succeed on the level of BAT because it has the principle ingredients of a BAT album: Meat's the singer, Jim Steinman's the writer and it's got fantasy art on the cover.

Which leads to my conclusion, perhaps it was never Meat Loaf or Jim Steinman who was successful... but the BAT name itself?

Interesting theory

L96 · 16 May 2006, 11:04

If it was the name that was successful, wouldn't there be motorcycles, paper clips and paper flower pot holders by now?

Technically, if DR had all the ingredients of a Bat, then it should have sold like a Bat. It didn't. Which kind of screws up the theory that only a Bat by Meat AND Jim will be any good.

Pudding · 16 May 2006, 11:26

That makes no sense as it doesn't screw up any theory about a Bat album. Ryan's saying it should have done better but it didn't because it didn't have a Bat title, but it had all the ingredients, that's his theory. Not that only a Bat album by Meat AND Jim will be any good, that wasn't even mentioned...technically

Pud

17 Apr 2006, 18:59	#1
Jackoutofhell Super Loafer Join Date: 13.03.2006 Posts: 369	Re-Recording Of Dead Ringer Wouldn't that be awesome? Don't get me wrong. The album is awesome, but everyone knows his voice was strained. If he re-recorded the album now, it would sound a lot better, agree? I'm not sure how all of that would work, but his current voice is perfect and I'd LOVEEE a verison with it.

17 Apr 2006, 19:56	#2
RadioMaster The German Join Date: 11.03.2006 Location: some kind of hunting lodge for rich weirdos... Posts: 15,778	I think his voice is right for the most songs of DR. But look at the version of DRFL with the MSO from 04, thats very good. But i think a new DR version whouldn´t work, because i dont think that many people whould buy it. Maybe he could do a live cd... R.

17 Apr 2006, 21:18	#3
L96 Inaugural goldfish winner Join Date: 04.07.2005 Location: In a handbasket. Believe me, for someone my height, it's hell... Posts: 2,373	Oh, I dunno. Quite a lot of people would not have heard of Dead Ringer (eg, the crowd that got into Bat II) and Bat III should (going on past performace of Bats) get a new crowd who may not have heard of Meat, thsu it is possible they would buy a new recording of DR, depending upon the impact Bat III makes. Another argument in favour of producing some sort of 30th anniversary packaged product (ooooh, I know I would buy the "every-album-from-the-career-of-Meat-Loaf" set in the pretty box). :B

17 Apr 2006, 21:19	#4
chrissylf22 Cry Over Me Join Date: 24.04.2004 Location: Burnley Lancs, UK Posts: 339	a live cd would be good

17 Apr 2006, 21:23	#5
RadioMaster The German Join Date: 11.03.2006 Location: some kind of hunting lodge for rich weirdos... Posts: 15,778	I think there will be in every case a 30th-anniversary-whatever Maybe a big good-bye tour. I personally thought, that Bat3 whould be released next year. Because that whould be the best PR ever. "Now, 30 years after one of the greates albums in musical history,..."

17 Apr 2006, 21:55	#6
L96 Inaugural goldfish winner Join Date: 04.07.2005 Location: In a handbasket. Believe me, for someone my height, it's hell... Posts: 2,373	Yeah, me too. Still, a lot can happen between now and October (not that I want the album delayed, October is a long enough wait), and I guess part of it depends on the angle that the PR and promo guys, plus the label, decide to take about the marketing.

18 Apr 2006, 11:08	#7
Jaymze Super Loafer Join Date: 10.12.2003 Location: Sunderland Posts: 265	I think the album will probably be delayed anyway- most big projects are i.e movie productions and album released. It would be excellent PR on the 30th anniversary of Bat to release Bat III.

19 Apr 2006, 10:18	#8
Pudding I'm A Prize Fight Lover... Join Date: 22.10.2003 Location: New Zealand Posts: 5,532	The only way I can see Dead Ringer getting re-recorded is if Meat Loaf did an unplugged Storytellers type thing, maybe with a stringed quartet or something. He could do Bat1 and Bat2 whilst he's at it or on a seperate night and release the DVD's seperately. Other than that I can't ever see it getting re-recorded for anything. Pud

19 Apr 2006, 10:55	#9
Ross Best Sig and Avatar 2006!!! (shared) Join Date: 25.11.2003 Location: Coatbridge near Glasgow. Scotland Posts: 3,446	After Bat III, if he was going to put the time and effort into rerecording an album, well I'd actually rather he just made a new album. I don't think Dead Ringer is that bad.... not as well produced as some of the albums though.

12 May 2006, 03:13	#11
Jackoutofhell Super Loafer Join Date: 13.03.2006 Posts: 369	Yeah, it's awesome, but it vexes me. His voice was so different.. and I keep asking myself if I would like the songs had they been recorded in his "now" voice. For some reason, they just seem to fit with that voice though.

12 May 2006, 03:24	#12
mszee Mega Loafer Join Date: 28.03.2006 Location: And you think you're down under??? Posts: 26,252	I love Dead Ringer...it's one of my favorite albums...

12 May 2006, 03:25	#13
mszee Mega Loafer Join Date: 28.03.2006 Location: And you think you're down under??? Posts: 26,252	For some reason I just thought of all those Hollywood movie remakes...not one of them was better than the original..

12 May 2006, 09:14	#14
AndyK Relentless Join Date: 21.11.2003 Location: Over the top..... seeing what's on the other side Posts: 18,694	Friday morning spring clean time ... shuffling this over to TT&BH

15 May 2006, 13:52	#16
rockfenris2005 Mega Loafer Join Date: 16.02.2003 Location: Posts: 2,217	Wasn't there a story about Meat Loaf and Pearl re-recording "Dead Ringer" in an acoustic version? I seem to remember reading that from somewhere... I'm sure Meat has said the reason he doesn't sing those songs is because it was a difficult period in his life and he doesn't wish to be reminded. Well, with the exception of "Dead Ringer" that album is a lost treasure. I love how the 'tyre tracks' line from Peel Out was recycled in Whistle Down The Wind

15 May 2006, 16:09	#17
Diane Super Moderator Join Date: 04.02.2003 Location: Guernsey, Channel Islands Posts: 3,462	As a Brit I'm always a bit bemused when anyone refers to Dead Ringer as a lost treasure. The album entered the UK charts at #1 on its first week of release and Meat also scored a top five single. The following tour also saw him make his first big arena appearances in the UK at Birmingham NEC and Wembley. (He's happily been filling out arenas all over the UK ever since ... even when he hasn't had an album to promote, which is virtually unheard of!) Admittedly Dead Ringer didn't sell anywhere near as many copies as BOOH or enjoy the incredible chart run of that album, but then how does anyone follow up something of that magnitude?!!! I love the Dead Ringer album so of course I believe it was worthy of more recognition globally but 8 million copies worldwide is certainly not to be sniffed at! Diane

15 May 2006, 21:01	#19
Jeanie Super Loafer Join Date: 09.07.2003 Location: Canada Posts: 996	I wouldn't mind seeing REAW and IGLHFBOU "live", either Trex. I like both of them, as well. J.

15 May 2006, 21:12	#20
Diane Super Moderator Join Date: 04.02.2003 Location: Guernsey, Channel Islands Posts: 3,462	.... and let's not forget IKYIYDCB and MTYD. Diane

15 May 2006, 21:55	#21
PanicLord Mega Loafer Join Date: 18.06.2003 Location: At The End Of The Line Posts: 2,652	I could never forget them... :) The rest I am not massively fussed on (apart from DR itself, of course!)

16 May 2006, 09:52	#23
rockfenris2005 Mega Loafer Join Date: 16.02.2003 Location: Posts: 2,217	The album did succeed in Britain. It was also the second album of Meat Loaf after BAT OUT OF HELL... It's surprising that it didn't succeed on the level of BAT because it has the principle ingredients of a BAT album: Meat's the singer, Jim Steinman's the writer and it's got fantasy art on the cover. Which leads to my conclusion, perhaps it was never Meat Loaf or Jim Steinman who was successful... but the BAT name itself? Interesting theory

16 May 2006, 11:04	#24
L96 Inaugural goldfish winner Join Date: 04.07.2005 Location: In a handbasket. Believe me, for someone my height, it's hell... Posts: 2,373	If it was the name that was successful, wouldn't there be motorcycles, paper clips and paper flower pot holders by now? Technically, if DR had all the ingredients of a Bat, then it should have sold like a Bat. It didn't. Which kind of screws up the theory that only a Bat by Meat AND Jim will be any good.

16 May 2006, 11:26	#25
Pudding I'm A Prize Fight Lover... Join Date: 22.10.2003 Location: New Zealand Posts: 5,532	That makes no sense as it doesn't screw up any theory about a Bat album. Ryan's saying it should have done better but it didn't because it didn't have a Bat title, but it had all the ingredients, that's his theory. Not that only a Bat album by Meat AND Jim will be any good, that wasn't even mentioned...technically Pud