BooH SACD

daveake · 21 May 2010, 12:33

Now that I actually have a means of playing SACDs, I've been thinking about getting one of the SACD releases of BOOH ...

... so, has anyone got one and if so, what do you think? I've read differing reviews over the 5.1 surround version in particular, with some people saying they prefer the stereo SACD to that.

These things seem to be rare and thus expensive

, so if anyone has one they want to sell ...

Dave

*AndyK* · 21 May 2010, 12:43

I've got one, but haven't got the ability to play it

Likewise I've heard mixed reviews from people who have heard it, some prefer the 5.1 version others the traditional stereo. From what I've heard it's interesting to play around with the output from the various channels, as I understand that Meat's vocals on some of the tracks can be largely separated from the instruments.

daveake · 21 May 2010, 13:11

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Originally Posted by AndyK

I've got one, but haven't got the ability to play it

Well ...

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Originally Posted by PersonWithSpareThoughNotExcessiveIncome

so if anyone has one they want to sell ...

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Originally Posted by AndyK

Likewise I've heard mixed reviews from people who have heard it, some prefer the 5.1 version others the traditional stereo.

Shame both versions are so rare, otherwise I'd just get both and make my own mind up

. I've bought a couple of other SACDs, and they've been very impressive.

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Originally Posted by AndyK

From what I've heard it's interesting to play around with the output from the various channels, as I understand that Meat's vocals on some of the tracks can be largely separated from the instruments.

Indeed. There's a "centre channel only" mp3 from the 5.1 that was in Pudding's blog once upon a time, and was discussed hereabouts. FCOL in particular shows just what an amazing vocal performance Meat put in.

Dave

Kev · 21 May 2010, 13:37

Puddin had this as a download on his Blog a while back! It was pretty fantastic to hear just the vocals!
I could do with hearing it again as I lost my version

Cult Of Byron · 21 May 2010, 14:14

Ditto, the hard drive with all my music on crunched to a halt about 18 months ago and I never got around to re-downloading the vocal tracks (Always remember to back up, people!).

I have the SACD but I believe it's the stereo version, they pop up on ebay from time to time, that's how I got mine.

Evil One · 21 May 2010, 15:29

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Originally Posted by Cult Of Byron

Ditto, the hard drive with all my music on crunched to a halt about 18 months ago and I never got around to re-downloading the vocal tracks (Always remember to back up, people!).

It's a ~~~~~~~ when that happens. Luckily I found a man with an impressive package!

dukesofhazard · 21 May 2010, 18:17

I got the Bat and CHSIB SACDs

They are good & if you get the balance of the speakers right you can hear things that are missed in stereo.

Kev · 21 May 2010, 18:43

The download was fantastic for that! Just listened to the central channel (pretty much just the vocals) on For Crying Out Loud and they're simply fantastic!
Did anyone manage to get the vocal track from CHSIB>????

duke knooby · 22 May 2010, 13:43

http://sa-cd.net.customers.tigertech.net/showtitle/602

http://www.audaud.com/audaud/JAN-FEB...ires3.html#mea

wolfy35 · 22 May 2010, 16:49

I have the SACD and a player

The quality is good, significantly better than anything else available at the time BUT its not as good as some of the newer audio formats such as MP6

The nature of the game is that as technology improves so does the ability to get cleaner, better and more impressive recordings

evil nickname · 22 May 2010, 17:41

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Originally Posted by wolfy35

The quality is good, significantly better than anything else available at the time BUT its not as good as some of the newer audio formats such as MP6

Could someone explain to me what this mythical MP6 is? I know of a lot of audio-encoding formats, but I've never heard of MP6, and neither has Google.

**Monstro** · 22 May 2010, 17:48

Google has lol

http://www.pmptoday.com/2008/06/12/n...st-mp6-player/

evil nickname · 22 May 2010, 18:14

Yes, I've seen that, but no: Google has heard of some MP6 player.

Try finding anything on how these 'newer audio formats like MP6' actually works. I did. I got nothing.

wolfy35 · 22 May 2010, 20:52

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Originally Posted by evil nickname

Try finding anything on how these 'newer audio formats like MP6' actually works. I did. I got nothing.

Its all down to money. mp6 is newer and far superior to CD format / SACD mp3 etc. However it would cost the studios etc to switch over to using it and they are arguing that its cost they can not afford in these days of declining sales.

Problem is its a self defeating circle. Unless they invest in a better quality product sales may continue to fall ( Afterall too many people are happy to use p2p software to get music for free at the same quality they would get if they paid )

evil nickname · 22 May 2010, 21:33

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Originally Posted by wolfy35

Its all down to money. mp6 is newer and far superior to CD format / SACD mp3 etc. However it would cost the studios etc to switch over to using it and they are arguing that its cost they can not afford in these days of declining sales.

There is nothing to be found on the internet about a 'superior' audio format called MP6 whatsoever, and what you're doing here is just restating the same nonsense you posted earlier. Just admit it: you're making stuff up.

But feel free to prove me wrong with some credible sources.

Evil One · 22 May 2010, 22:28

Meat did mention .mp6 in a post a while back, but I haven't the foggiest what it is.

**Monstro** · 22 May 2010, 23:10

Ok, here goes, there was an article on this on BBC website ages ago but can't find it now. Apparently it's been invented by the same guy that invented mp3's but he's developed it so that it doesn't compress as much as mp3's do so retains a lot more quality, there's also the ability to store much more in the same file such as the vid, song credits etc etc

Wish to hell I could find a link to prove this but I guess you're just gonna have to take my word for it......................................god I hope the whisky hasn't really screwed me and I'm totally wrong lol

evil nickname · 22 May 2010, 23:28

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Originally Posted by Evil One

Meat did mention .mp6 in a post a while back, but I haven't the foggiest what it is.

Well, I wasn't convinced then either, but you got to know when to pick your fights.

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Originally Posted by Monstro

Ok, here goes, there was an article on this on BBC website ages ago but can't find it now. Apparently it's been invented by the same guy that invented mp3's but he's developed it so that it doesn't compress as much as mp3's do so retains a lot more quality, there's also the ability to store much more in the same file such as the vid, song credits etc etc

That doesn't sound like anything being even a tiny bit 'newer and far superior' to 'CD format / SACD mp3'.

Evil One · 22 May 2010, 23:28

So at some point in the near future everything is going to get re-released in better quality and we're all going to have to fork out again? Sort of the musical equivalent of Bluray?

daveake · 22 May 2010, 23:58

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Originally Posted by Evil One

So at some point in the near future everything is going to get re-released in better quality and we're all going to have to fork out again? Sort of the musical equivalent of Bluray?

It's a tried and tested formula

I have now purchased a 5.1 SACD of BooH, so I should get to hear it myself soon. "Only" cost £40 ....

Dave

wolfy35 · 23 May 2010, 00:01

mp3 is a shortened name for MPEG-1 3 layer audio format. It uses a “lossy” compression algorithm that is designed to greatly reduce the amount of data needed to represent an audio recording. It still sounds like a faithful reproduction of the original uncompressed audio to most listeners.
It was invented by a group of European engineers at Philips, CCETT, IRT and the Fraunhofer Society. They worked in the framework of the EUREKA 147 DAB digital radio research program. It became an ISO/IEC standard in 1991

mp6 is simply an updated "Lossless" format that had twice the number of layers available for encoding of information within the same comparative filesize as mp3. It was devised by the same team that worked on mp3. One significant difference is the potential for multi format applications due to it being fully compatable with audio, video and gaming

wolfy35 · 23 May 2010, 00:26

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Originally Posted by Evil One

So at some point in the near future everything is going to get re-released in better quality and we're all going to have to fork out again? Sort of the musical equivalent of Bluray?

Essentially yes but as was the case with the different HD video formats there are usually more than one contender to be the next generation with one eventually coming out as a winner.

evil nickname · 23 May 2010, 00:40

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Originally Posted by wolfy35

mp6 is simply an updated "Lossless" format that had twice the number of layers available for encoding of information within the same comparative filesize as mp3. It was devised by the same team that worked on mp3. One significant difference is the potential for multi format applications due to it being fully compatable with audio, video and gaming

Oh, just stop it. What you're describing here is impossible: you cannot put lossless audio and video in a file the same size as a regular mp3.

Besides that, mp3 is short for MPEG-1 Audio Layer III. Not 3 Layer, so your "mp6 is mp3 with double the layers" makes no sense whatsoever.

And still, no credible source.

**Monstro** · 23 May 2010, 00:41

unfortunately not always the best one wins

wolfy35 · 23 May 2010, 01:07

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Originally Posted by evil nickname

And still, no credible source.

Try a google search for Phillips Research Division and searching for a joint press release between them and the Fraunhofer Society (Software and Systems Technology Centre ) where they describe mp6, its applications and development.

Just because something is at the moment is a little obscure and hard to find on a popularist search engine does not mean it does not exist.

21 May 2010, 12:33	#1
daveake 200% is the new 110% Join Date: 13.03.2005 Location: Newbury Posts: 2,983	BooH SACD Now that I actually have a means of playing SACDs, I've been thinking about getting one of the SACD releases of BOOH ... ... so, has anyone got one and if so, what do you think? I've read differing reviews over the 5.1 surround version in particular, with some people saying they prefer the stereo SACD to that. These things seem to be rare and thus expensive , so if anyone has one they want to sell ... Dave

21 May 2010, 12:43	#2
AndyK Relentless Join Date: 21.11.2003 Location: Over the top..... seeing what's on the other side Posts: 18,694	I've got one, but haven't got the ability to play it Likewise I've heard mixed reviews from people who have heard it, some prefer the 5.1 version others the traditional stereo. From what I've heard it's interesting to play around with the output from the various channels, as I understand that Meat's vocals on some of the tracks can be largely separated from the instruments.

21 May 2010, 13:37	#4
Kev Just Kev Join Date: 01.06.2003 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 1,856	Puddin had this as a download on his Blog a while back! It was pretty fantastic to hear just the vocals! I could do with hearing it again as I lost my version

21 May 2010, 14:14	#5
Cult Of Byron Super Loafer Join Date: 30.11.2002 Location: nr Ilkley, West Yorkshire Posts: 277	Ditto, the hard drive with all my music on crunched to a halt about 18 months ago and I never got around to re-downloading the vocal tracks (Always remember to back up, people!). I have the SACD but I believe it's the stereo version, they pop up on ebay from time to time, that's how I got mine.

21 May 2010, 18:17	#7
dukesofhazard Super Loafer Join Date: 24.09.2003 Location: Cardiff, Wales, UK Posts: 478	I got the Bat and CHSIB SACDs They are good & if you get the balance of the speakers right you can hear things that are missed in stereo.

21 May 2010, 18:43	#8
Kev Just Kev Join Date: 01.06.2003 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 1,856	The download was fantastic for that! Just listened to the central channel (pretty much just the vocals) on For Crying Out Loud and they're simply fantastic! Did anyone manage to get the vocal track from CHSIB>????

22 May 2010, 13:43	#9
duke knooby Mega Loafer Join Date: 24.06.2005 Location: belfast Posts: 17,890	http://sa-cd.net.customers.tigertech.net/showtitle/602 http://www.audaud.com/audaud/JAN-FEB...ires3.html#mea

22 May 2010, 16:49	#10
wolfy35 Dangerous on a full moon Join Date: 14.03.2007 Location: Standing on the outside, Looking in on you Posts: 751	I have the SACD and a player The quality is good, significantly better than anything else available at the time BUT its not as good as some of the newer audio formats such as MP6 The nature of the game is that as technology improves so does the ability to get cleaner, better and more impressive recordings

22 May 2010, 17:48	#12
Monstro Promoted to Wario's spellchecker Join Date: 17.09.2005 Location: London Posts: 12,947	Google has lol http://www.pmptoday.com/2008/06/12/n...st-mp6-player/

22 May 2010, 18:14	#13
evil nickname Guest Join Date: 19.04.2003 Posts: 2,238	Yes, I've seen that, but no: Google has heard of some MP6 player. Try finding anything on how these 'newer audio formats like MP6' actually works. I did. I got nothing.

22 May 2010, 22:28	#16
Evil One Mega Loafer Join Date: 15.01.2007 Posts: 5,192	Meat did mention .mp6 in a post a while back, but I haven't the foggiest what it is.

22 May 2010, 23:10	#17
Monstro Promoted to Wario's spellchecker Join Date: 17.09.2005 Location: London Posts: 12,947	Ok, here goes, there was an article on this on BBC website ages ago but can't find it now. Apparently it's been invented by the same guy that invented mp3's but he's developed it so that it doesn't compress as much as mp3's do so retains a lot more quality, there's also the ability to store much more in the same file such as the vid, song credits etc etc Wish to hell I could find a link to prove this but I guess you're just gonna have to take my word for it......................................god I hope the whisky hasn't really screwed me and I'm totally wrong lol

22 May 2010, 23:28	#19
Evil One Mega Loafer Join Date: 15.01.2007 Posts: 5,192	So at some point in the near future everything is going to get re-released in better quality and we're all going to have to fork out again? Sort of the musical equivalent of Bluray?

23 May 2010, 00:01	#21
wolfy35 Dangerous on a full moon Join Date: 14.03.2007 Location: Standing on the outside, Looking in on you Posts: 751	mp3 is a shortened name for MPEG-1 3 layer audio format. It uses a “lossy” compression algorithm that is designed to greatly reduce the amount of data needed to represent an audio recording. It still sounds like a faithful reproduction of the original uncompressed audio to most listeners. It was invented by a group of European engineers at Philips, CCETT, IRT and the Fraunhofer Society. They worked in the framework of the EUREKA 147 DAB digital radio research program. It became an ISO/IEC standard in 1991 mp6 is simply an updated "Lossless" format that had twice the number of layers available for encoding of information within the same comparative filesize as mp3. It was devised by the same team that worked on mp3. One significant difference is the potential for multi format applications due to it being fully compatable with audio, video and gaming

23 May 2010, 00:41	#24
Monstro Promoted to Wario's spellchecker Join Date: 17.09.2005 Location: London Posts: 12,947	unfortunately not always the best one wins