Dancing, Tanzing, And Crawford Trashing.

Paul191 · 03 Aug 2008, 23:57

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Originally Posted by AndrewG

Wasn't Seize the night on DOTV?

Yes, and the DOTV version was better than the Bat 3 version.

**RadioMaster** · 04 Aug 2008, 10:03

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Originally Posted by Paul191

Yes, and the DOTV version was better than the Bat 3 version.

the DOTV version (Crawford) was god awful with it's phony italian accent.
the DOTV demo version (Gordon) is probaby the one you meant.

daveake · 04 Aug 2008, 10:56

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Originally Posted by RadioMaster

the DOTV version (Crawford) was god awful with it's phony italian accent.
the DOTV demo version (Gordon) is probaby the one you meant.

Fortunately, STN was one of the few songs in DotV that Crapford didn't get a chance to ruin.

Dave

*AndyK* · 04 Aug 2008, 11:15

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Originally Posted by daveake

Fortunately, STN was one of the few songs in DotV that Crapford didn't get a chance to ruin.

Dave

... and thereofre one of the few that made the trip to NYC worthwhile.

**RadioMaster** · 04 Aug 2008, 11:43

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Originally Posted by daveake

Fortunately, STN was one of the few songs in DotV that Crapford didn't get a chance to ruin.

Dave

hold on....
there is someone singing with italian accent on the song...
"in the shadows of the castle....."
Isnt that Mikey Boy?

daveake · 04 Aug 2008, 11:59

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Originally Posted by RadioMaster

hold on....
there is someone singing with italian accent on the song...
"in the shadows of the castle....."
Isnt that Mikey Boy?

Nope, not MB. Maybe his "personality" was so strong he rubbed off on some of the others ...

Dave

mszee · 04 Aug 2008, 20:36

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Originally Posted by RadioMaster

the DOTV version (Crawford) was god awful with it's phony italian accent.
the DOTV demo version (Gordon) is probaby the one you meant.

I don't think he was awful...I think he was downright scary...scared me watching bits and pieces on youtube...don't think I could have been able to handle the entire thing...kudos to Andy for surviving it...

**RadioMaster** · 04 Aug 2008, 20:46

funnily this cheap and phony looking production with bad effects and a crappy set was the most expensive broadway production ever...

mszee · 04 Aug 2008, 21:00

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Originally Posted by RadioMaster

funnily this cheap and phony looking production with bad effects and a crappy set was the most expensive broadway production ever...

My first Broadway show when I was almost fresh off the boat was famous Evita...I came out crying...if that was Broadway I wanted to go back to Russian worst theater...so...Broadway isn't always what people think it is...

Pudding · 05 Aug 2008, 01:42

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Originally Posted by RadioMaster

funnily this cheap and phony looking production with bad effects and a crappy set was the most expensive broadway production ever...

I wasn't aware you went to New York to see it?

Pud

**RadioMaster** · 05 Aug 2008, 09:17

theres other ways

Pudding · 05 Aug 2008, 09:48

If you're talking of bootlegs then I got one of those too, actually I got given several but threw most of them away for being absolutely crap, but I digress slightly.

The bootlegs don't show how crappy the sets were, nor how bad the lighting or effects were, on the contrary, they were very good. But Crawford spoiled the whole thing with his crap acting, crap singing and enforcing his crap ideas into the script and direction.

Pud

**RadioMaster** · 05 Aug 2008, 09:50

can only speak from the recordings Ive seen, so I have to trust you on this one.

mszee · 05 Aug 2008, 14:03

Yeah, from I've seen on the youtube it seems to have been mainly interpretation of the entire part of Krolok...which was (I think) as far from what Steinman had in mind as we're from the complete and total communism...

**The Flying Mouse** · 05 Aug 2008, 19:56

Split from the Bull In China Shop thread.

P.S. Crawford's a git

Pudding · 06 Aug 2008, 06:20

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Originally Posted by mszee

Yeah, from I've seen on the youtube it seems to have been mainly interpretation of the entire part of Krolok...which was (I think) as far from what Steinman had in mind as we're from the complete and total communism...

It wasn't so much the interpretation of Krolock, as Crawford knew exactly how Krolock should be. It was the fact Crawford didn't want to do another dark character like the Phantom and the fact Professor Abronsius got the best laughs and Crawford wanted them. Hence Crawford turned Krolock into a bumbling clown with an Italian accent.

Pud

~Helen~ · 06 Aug 2008, 12:30

It's a massive shame, but you wouldn't be keeping me away if Tanz came to the UK, whoever was starring in it and regardless of what the critics had to say.

mszee · 06 Aug 2008, 15:09

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Originally Posted by ~Helen~

It's a massive shame, but you wouldn't be keeping me away if Tanz came to the UK, whoever was starring in it and regardless of what the critics had to say.

You know...thanks to Pud (although this would be news to him)...I did watch Steve Barton in Tanz...and you know what else...I LOVED his Krolock...it was brilliant...with this said...my attention wandered after about an hour or so...I kept on hearing the same 4 tunes or so over and over again...but maybe it's just me...granted...those were great tunes...but still and all...not enough to base an entire musical on...

mszee · 06 Aug 2008, 15:12

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Originally Posted by Pudding

It wasn't so much the interpretation of Krolock, as Crawford knew exactly how Krolock should be. It was the fact Crawford didn't want to do another dark character like the Phantom and the fact Professor Abronsius got the best laughs and Crawford wanted them. Hence Crawford turned Krolock into a bumbling clown with an Italian accent.

Pud

It was still then an interpretation...that didn't work with the general idea and music...there is funny...and than there are bafoons and clowns...so...this wasn't funny...it was bafoon and clown...in the middle of the tragic narrative and dramatic music...stupid stupid stupid...

Professor was just a little comic relief...Americans are big on comic reliefs...but Krolock...argh...

Pudding · 07 Aug 2008, 00:32

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Originally Posted by mszee

It was still then an interpretation...

Not really, because Crawford didn't misinterpret Krolock, he purposely chose to do Krolock differently. Had Crawford slightly changed the character then fair enough, but he completely changed him ass backwards. That's not an interpretation but a bast@rdisation.

Pud

mszee · 07 Aug 2008, 01:58

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Originally Posted by Pudding

Not really, because Crawford didn't misinterpret Krolock, he purposely chose to do Krolock differently. Had Crawford slightly changed the character then fair enough, but he completely changed him ass backwards. That's not an interpretation but a bast@rdisation.

Pud

Well, I ain't arguing...question...do you know why Italian accent of all things?

Maybe it's just me...but Krolock doesn't appear to be an Italian name??? LOL

Pudding · 07 Aug 2008, 05:25

I believe Crawford struggled on some of the notes wearing fangs and with him having an Italian accent he could (in his mind) get away with it. The Italian accent also made the Count more goofy, which you got to admit, did the trick.

Pud

daveake · 07 Aug 2008, 09:40

It may have "helped" him get away with his singing difficulties, but Tanz with a goofy Count doesn't add up.

Dave

mszee · 07 Aug 2008, 14:08

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Originally Posted by daveake

It may have "helped" him get away with his singing difficulties, but Tanz with a goofy Count doesn't add up.

Dave

No it didn't...and it wasn't just goofy...it was like...well, bafoon is a good word...in general, I haven't seen the show but bits on youtube just seemed bizarre to me and that's the best word I can come up with...

So I don't think this musical will be resurrected any time soon on Broadway...

daveake · 07 Aug 2008, 15:38

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Originally Posted by mszee

No it didn't...and it wasn't just goofy...it was like...well, bafoon is a good word...i

Buffoon is a better word

But yes, I know very well what it was like. I saw the show and have the emotional scars to prove it. I also have the DVDs in case anyone else wishes to be so afflicted ...

Dave

04 Aug 2008, 20:46	#8
RadioMaster The German Join Date: 11.03.2006 Location: some kind of hunting lodge for rich weirdos... Posts: 15,778	funnily this cheap and phony looking production with bad effects and a crappy set was the most expensive broadway production ever...

05 Aug 2008, 09:17	#11
RadioMaster The German Join Date: 11.03.2006 Location: some kind of hunting lodge for rich weirdos... Posts: 15,778	theres other ways

05 Aug 2008, 09:48	#12
Pudding I'm A Prize Fight Lover... Join Date: 22.10.2003 Location: New Zealand Posts: 5,532	If you're talking of bootlegs then I got one of those too, actually I got given several but threw most of them away for being absolutely crap, but I digress slightly. The bootlegs don't show how crappy the sets were, nor how bad the lighting or effects were, on the contrary, they were very good. But Crawford spoiled the whole thing with his crap acting, crap singing and enforcing his crap ideas into the script and direction. Pud

05 Aug 2008, 09:50	#13
RadioMaster The German Join Date: 11.03.2006 Location: some kind of hunting lodge for rich weirdos... Posts: 15,778	can only speak from the recordings Ive seen, so I have to trust you on this one.

05 Aug 2008, 14:03	#14
mszee Mega Loafer Join Date: 28.03.2006 Location: And you think you're down under??? Posts: 26,252	Yeah, from I've seen on the youtube it seems to have been mainly interpretation of the entire part of Krolok...which was (I think) as far from what Steinman had in mind as we're from the complete and total communism...

05 Aug 2008, 19:56	#15
The Flying Mouse Armed ba$tard and Jo's other half. Join Date: 06.08.2002 Location: In the middle of nowhere near the end of the line. Posts: 16,104	Split from the Bull In China Shop thread. P.S. Crawford's a git

06 Aug 2008, 12:30	#17
~Helen~ Mega Loafer Join Date: 01.11.2007 Location: Manchester Posts: 1,958	It's a massive shame, but you wouldn't be keeping me away if Tanz came to the UK, whoever was starring in it and regardless of what the critics had to say.

07 Aug 2008, 05:25	#22
Pudding I'm A Prize Fight Lover... Join Date: 22.10.2003 Location: New Zealand Posts: 5,532	I believe Crawford struggled on some of the notes wearing fangs and with him having an Italian accent he could (in his mind) get away with it. The Italian accent also made the Count more goofy, which you got to admit, did the trick. Pud

07 Aug 2008, 09:40	#23
daveake 200% is the new 110% Join Date: 13.03.2005 Location: Newbury Posts: 2,983	It may have "helped" him get away with his singing difficulties, but Tanz with a goofy Count doesn't add up. Dave