Steinman has spoken...
 

...of sorts.

This brief snippet is taken fromRockman where you can read the full message.

D) I have had NO involvement in BAT3, and let the Rockman folk know that. Id be glad to wish him the best on his CD, which should be THE MONSTER IS LOOSE. BTW, two years ago I wrote an Email to Meat raving about a few new songs: PARADISE LOST ("No matter how tragic the loss/No matter how heavy the cost/To this very day/ I can stand tall & say/ I fought for paradise/And Paradise lost/ I fought for Paradise/ But Paradise lost/ Was it this/ or was it that/ but Paradise lost in the final at bat/Paradise lost in the final At Bat." That was for Meat, but he showed no interest, as was the case then with "NOT ALLOWED TO LOVE" and "BRAVER THAN WE ARE". But its ok, becase they'll be thrilling with THE DREAM ENGINE. Oh the other songs I wrote to him raving about were GOD HAS LEFT THE BUILDING and THE MONSTER IS OUT OF THE CAGE! (hmmmm, wonder where he got his current title. Mine was: "Whats the point of all this fury/all this bitterness and rage/ Theres no point at all/ We're only young/ And the Monster Is Out Of The Cage"

Some very interesting things being said, especially THE MONSTER IS OUT OF THE CAGE! part, and Meat showing no interest in "BRAVER THAN WE ARE" :shock:

Pud :twisted:

I like 'Paradise Lost' lyrics alot.
Shocked Meat shown no interest in BTWA...
Can't please everyone. I always thought the female vocal part would be perfect on Patti's part.

Me too, although I can't stop getting the tune 'I Fought The Law' out of my head :shock:

Yeah that was a bit of a shocker to me as well and like you, I think Patti's female vocals would fit perfectly.

I would like to say that despite this coming from Steinman, there are two sides to every story and like most things connected with Meat and Jim, we probably never will get at the actual 'true' facts of what went on.

Pud :twisted:

All misterious. If this is true, I would be really pissed off, because the lyrics sounds good.

Well I'm not pissed off because you can never really force anybody to do what you want (slavery has been abolished, the last I heard).

Thing is, maybe Meat thought working too closely with Steinman was the obvious thing to do (ie what was expected) and maybe he just felt he should take Bat III into a different direction.
You can't really prevent someone for not showing interest. Maybe he decided on something else while he was on tour last year (ie rather have more hard core stuff or so). It could also be (and this would not surprise me) that if Meat had taken on these new Steinman tracks maybe there were all sorts of clauses Meat would have had to stick to (bit of the old Sonnenberg influence perhaps? -or taken on the songs meant Meat would have to settle for Steinman's "Bat out of Hell" trademark), the recording timeline may have been to long also or so.

Who knows wtf really happened and what the reasons are! I personally do not care too much as that is all stuff that happens behind "closed doors" (ie only the album releases, songs, music and tours are of great interest to me) Let's see wait and see what Bat 3 will be like. Looks as if we will get to hear these new Steinman tunes at some point anyway (Dream Engine). But "Paradise Lost" does sound like an interesting song, even going by just the lyrics.

How do we know this came from Steinman?

That Jacqueline woman posted that on Rockman. I think it is quite reliable. Pud knows more about that.

It is from a 100% reliable source.

I do like those monster out of the cage lyrics more than meats "version"...

Yes, I'm sure they will about as much as they thrilled with "Bad For Good". :roll:

IMO you cant compare that: that are two completely different songs and we dont even know the melody of jim´s monster, I´m happy with the monster as it is:D

And as do I ;)

Relating to the lyrics, I didn't like the section that came from Monster\Cage.
Of course that doesn't mean I don't like the song.. I haven't heard it yet. But Meat's recent recording is amazing. And I wouldn't trade it for anything. Kick@$$ job.

I can't help feeling that a lot of the "argument" between Meat and Jim has been invented (or at least prolonged) in order to keep people talking about the both of them. Something is coming up in a week or two which just would not happen if 50% of what is written is actually meant. I cannot say more than that just now. Hopefully I will be able to soon! :sneaky: :shens:
Anyway, Jim's lyrics sound great (as we would expect) but what we've heard so far from Meat KICKS ASS!! Let's celebrate what we've got and stop mourning what we've not!

whats coming up? :-P

They have just moved NY to London, And Bigfoot stole your sister and is planning to marry her. It's all true because it's written right here !!

:lmao:

:lmao::lmao: CHSIB Meat!!!!!

:-P someone lied

heheh you were caught out

Yes!! LOL
And the whole world will be renamed in "Steinman World" soon...... :lmao:

Meat, please don't read that crap what they are telling!!!!!
Love,
Eva

I dont believe this Stienman story for one minute. Remember that this man is a visionair and he can't get his facts right.

Well said Eva


Rosie

Is this gonna turn into a bitchy thread now?:shock:

God I hope not!!!!!!!!


Rosie

i do have the feeling that it will...hmm

Please no!!!!!!!!!!! but i would like it iff these story's would stop! Storys about Meat and Jim. Nobody knows the truth (Meat and Jim know and thats enough).

This is gonna turn into an anti Meat terror topic. Some people put this nonsense here and they actually believe it but when Meat says something they never believe it. Well don't believe him 100% but you know, 50% orso. BUt never ever believe something Stienman writes cause he has his own reality.

It is not going to turn into a thread bitching about anyone.

First and only warning!:evil:

:twisted: To be fair, Pud was NOT caught out.

This quote is from a source that is considered 100% reliable in the Steinman fan community.

So you could draw the conclusion that....

A. Jim Steinman is lying.

B. The source is not 100% reliable after all and was not given a message from Jim to forward (i.e. is lying).

C. Meat is lying.

D. There is some sort of misunderstanding (hey, it's a possibility even if not a probability).


I'm not going to speculate myself as I wouldn't like a lawsuit on my ass.

I do hope people realise how potentially volotile this situation is right now, and think of the damage to Meat and Jimmy's relationship that be caused before they post on this.

oooooooh threats lol, i didnt mean pud i meant trex2006 caught out "lying" if he was i dunno but judging by what meat said i guess he was.

It is none of our business to interfere in private affairs and to make fantastical claims about things none of us know, or have any right whatsoever, to know anything about. This has already been pointed out to all of you numerous times and it's going to stop now!

Diane

well said

PLEASE read Diane's post above.

it is nothing to do with us what has been said between meat and jim nor is it up to us to speculate about what has gone on.

Any more and the topic will be locked.

I vote for the good old :lock:

:weee:

I think what all of us should realise also is that these kind of things can be taken out of context so easily. Whatever anybody writes will never truly reflect the mood they are in, so take things with a pinch of salt is my advice. Certainly can't make a study out of all this stuff. Let's just wait till Bat 3 and all our prayers will be answered.

Yes lets just wait , so lets stop this forum, no wait stop the whole internet hype.

Ok, let's switch off that power plant.

No please no.
I cant live without weatheronline.com

LMAO!

Nice one Meat!
I personally don't believe what's been said above!

Well said meat!!!!!!LMAO:lmao:

The reason I asked before is the source was reliable was because I though the lyrics supposedly from Steinman were a joke... they are way too cliche'd. Hey, I know Steinman does that sometimes, but in a more imaginative way than that. Typical that people over at the 'other board' are raving about them. I'll shut up now ha!

No they're not. As per usual they're more preoccupied with the lunatics on the board.

Just quoted myself above because what I said is true.

I didn't post the link to stir up trouble, I posted it because it's interesting and if you follow the links, there's more interesting things being said about Steinman and future projects.

Some people might want to focus on one aspect of what Steinman said and that's fine, but it should be made clear that that one aspect ISN'T the whole post.

Pud :twisted:

... please please... let's remember THE most important thing...

two of my favoritest men in the universe are in the UK right this moment.. !!!... 'Imself doing his thang.. and the deppie one attending the London premiere of POTC2 !!...

now how grand is THAT???... if only i could get over there..oh myyyyy..the thought.. the thought's just.... overwhellllmmmming....

oh.. myyy...

oh. and to stay on topic ..ummm... i look forward to 'Imself's interpretation of the Steinman songs on Bat3 ..

let's see.. i'm on the Meat UK fan club forum.. yes.. covered Meat... :oops: ... errr... and Steinman thread .. okay.. mentioned.. Steinman...

alrightie then.. i'm in accord.. with.. ummm.. ME !!!... giggle.. byeeee !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I guess you never get old for the school boy stuff; he said this he said that. To be truthful I don’t care who is telling the truth I just think at the end of the day its going to be very unlikely that Meat is ever going to sing Jims songs again and personally whether you agree or not I find this very sad.
Hey sure maybe I should get a life and move on it’s their life’s why should I care? But I do
I honestly believe that meat is at his best singing Jim Steinman songs, to bad it had to end this way
Meat keep rockin
Jim keep Writing
Wenners will keep hoping

What, even at concerts?

Pud :twisted:

Does anyone know when the actual press conference for Bat 3 will take place? I'm looking forward to all the pre-release publicity!

I think I know what you are talking about. Not seen anything here about it, so don't want to say it myself and get in trouble. Let's wait and see. :D

IMO the whole arguement is just Meat´s and Jim´s thing, we should leave it to them.
If Jim says something on Rockman, we should take it as it is and leave it to Meat do decide if that´s true or not.

For me the only important thing is that I will get a good album to hear. It´s IMM absolutely unimportant if it could be better or worse with/without working whoever on it, we will got it as it will be and cant change anything, I, for myself, will just enjoy it how it is.

I think I'm going to wait til October, buy the album and read the credits on the sleeve to see what's what. So many rumours doing the rounds I can't keep up with what's true and what's not

I actually thought Meat was agreeing with me, as the point of my post was that you cannot believe everything (anything?) you read.

No offence or personal commentary was intended or implied as far as I can tell - the post was purely about rumour mongering. If someone has spotted some personal dig that I missed, I am sorry.

Meat posted back in good humour I thought, and I fully support the mod's no private bitchin stance.


Precisely! In the mean time, I hope you don't mind if I froth at the mouth with excitement and be generally positive and optimistic about all things Meaty.:drool:

People know exactly what's happening, and that's the problem.

No, too many people THINK they know exactly what's happening and THAT'S the problem. Unless you were a fly on the wall it would be fair to assume none of us is qualified to comment as we have had no first hand involvement. It's absolutely none of our business to interfere or speculate on legal matters and it's not going to happen here. (Read the stickied message at the top of the Bat III forum).

Any more posts regarding this topic will be deleted and this thread will be locked.

Diane

I COULDN'T HAVE SAID IT BETTER MYSELF !!!!

:??:

Indeed. That's Bart. And Bart is very popular. And Jim is a visionair and the mind of a visionair is both unique and a mess.

Is visionair an actual word? It sounds like it could be some Air charter company in Ireland www.visionair.ie :wtf:

I think you mean visionary and as such you may have a point that Steinmans head is messed up. However that doesn't necessarily mean he's liar.

Pud :twisted:

That's what I meant. He isn't really a liar.

Did you actually check the link?
It really exists!:shock:

:roll: Roll on October.

Yeah that might shut some of us up and make us listen to some music for a change instead of writing so much crap.

Maybe the truest commentary in this thread :lol:

Amen;)

Yes I did, that's why I posted it LOL

Pud :twisted:

Jim now has his own blog ...

http://jimsteinman.blogspot.com/

And we are entirely convinced it is Jim, because....?

Because the link was provided via a completely reliable source on Rockman.

I now see that a link to a blogspot that mentions Jim has been posted at RR.

Thanks, Andy! :D

:bleh: This wasn't the same reliable source that provided some other information the other day that proved to be not quite as true as it first appeared or something, was it?

Sorry, I'll put my wooden spoon away now and stop stirring...

Well, as there was no actual counter-proof (such as recordings of discussions, quoted e-mails with intact full header and such-like) it's still word vs. word.

Let's move away from the conspiracy theories shall we?

And that was why Antarctica was tropicalised by aliens and kept under ice...

Blog is an interesting read though.

The information given the other day was from a reliable source and was indeed true. The confusion occured when someone thought that they should have been credited for it when in actual fact they shouldn't.

Out of all the people who posts on Rockman if it's posted by JD/Jacqueline you can trust it to be 100% accurate and reliable. Even if you disagree with its content.

Pud :twisted:

Quite the reputation;)

Yeah and inspiration is back today. :devil:

:mrgreen:

A LOST BOYS RAP???:shock::shock::shock:
:barf: :lmao: :twisted:

I can't wait for Saw 3 either. :lol:

Yeah, with nu-metal and contributions by Diane Warren. Sounds positively "frightening" hehe

"I fought for paradise/And Paradise lost/ I fought for Paradise/ But Paradise lost"

Interesting lyrics there. I think Sonny Curtis did it a little better with the Bobby Fuller Four. ;)

I must admit before listening to it, I thought it was hilarious. But I have listened to it now and think it is fun and refreshing:O

Jim's blog is certainly entertaining and I hope he makes lots of posts there! (Thought for the day - new song-title maybe!? lololol)

Love,
Mariella

Holy crapola - they're moving New York to London?! :shock:

No, just crazy: (from Steinmans Blog)

"Friday, July 07, 2006
Thought for the day
SOME SAY THE GLASS IS HALF EMPTY. SOME SAY ITS HALF FULL.
BUT I KNOW IT'S THE WRONG FUKING DRINK!


BTW, WHATS ALL THESE WORDS LIKE F******* OR SH******?
SHIT **** ****
SHIT **** ****
SHIT **** ****
SHIT **** ****
SHIT **** ****
SHIT **** ****
SHIT **** ****
SHIT **** ****SHIT **** ****SHIT **** ****SHIT **** ****SHIT **** ****

There.......thats better............"

BTW: Why does Steinman always posts stories what he likes, but no one else (song versions)?:sherlock: :nuts:

... lol.. curious question.. why does the board allow the word... SH*T.. but not.. the word ****.. as in to throw something???.. lol...

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If words are not allowed, dots don't change that.

well.. content wasn't deleted before it got to me as an alert... but thanks for deleting here Ankie...

t.. who was not trying to be rude or smartalecky with her question.. just curious...

:devil:

If that's really Jim on that blog, he's having a great time with himself :lurk:

I believe that is Jim talking (not sleeping lol)...and I do think he is enjoying the interaction between RR and his blog - apart from that you all judge for yourselfs lolol

Last song downloaded was Great - by the way...

Love,
Mariella
...I I never claimed I was a Jim-fan...so I will move on, okay... - Enjoy!

BTW: what problem do you native-english citizens with these f*-words? I mean, I was educated bi-lingual, but is it really that problematic to quote his original words? Nobodys complaning, just his own words. Don't worry, I'm just curious, not mad.

Cheers,
Martin
(hm, and we are allowed to show some more parts of the female body here in television! :-) )

I am sure, even not English-speaking people on this forum, will have no problem reading Jim's blog (as his Thought for the Day-comments are not That hard to read lol) - but as this is mlukfc..let them read it and comment on RR, okay?

Love,
Mariella

.. that's an interesting way of putting it... :shock: ... lol ...

Thats the funniest thing i have every heard.

I'll lend you some of my Morecombe and Wise then :roll:

Pud :twisted:

Lol - no way pud, has to be the 2 Ronnies.

if this is the funiest thing you have ever heard you cant get out much

And you don't have to be so sarcastic!