116. Mad Mad World (The Good God Is A Woman And She Don't Like Ugly)
 

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Mad Mad World (The Good God Is A Woman And She Don't Like Ugly) (4)

C'mon! C'mon! C'mon!

Melody of Mad Mad World would be one of the best on the album, but lyrics is flat. Rap in a rock song is always dumb to me. I hated Aerosmith ft. Run DMC, so this song won't be my favorite either. I hope this isn't the new way Meat wanted to find...

My score: 4

I'd give it a 4, too. It's an interesting song, but rap's just not my thing, even if it has Meat Loaf on it. Sorry :(

Fantastic track! Real modern, clear and advanced! Great on the album, it's alot of fun and in alot ways it reminds me of how I got into Meat Loaf in the first place. Vibrant colours of sound and creativity!

The song would have gotten a 4 or 5 without the rap/hiphop crap. But that just makes it unbearable for me to listen to

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Oh come on, it's a great song the rap thing fits in it perfectly !! Don't understand me wrong...i don't like rap or any kind of that style...but in Mad Mad World, it fits perfectly... So...

A 10 !!!!!!!!!

I'd agree with so much of that. Such a strong track which to me stands as the crescendo of all the frustration and concern that is at the heart of the album.

I've always said rap isn't my cup of tea, but largely from a position of ignorance as it's something I don't listen to' haven't tried to understand, and tend to avoid. But I also find little to interest me in so much churned out pop, am left unmoved by quite a bit of rock music, and would never describe myself as a follower of country .. yet there are some country singers or country songs that have grabbed me, some pop songs which do the same. Some of the latter just come across as pretty featureless, whereas much rap comes across as insistent and angry, so I don't bother with them, have never worked to understand them, and to be honest may never do.

But I was surprised at how much I enjoyed Lil John's segment on SITS, and at how well the various styles came together, so I trusted Meat's ability to see how this could be done and to bring it off successfully, and listened to HIAH with an open mind. How glad I am that I did. Hearing some brilliant rap integrated perfectly into a powerful track from Meat has given me a new found respect for a musical style I have always eschewed, when delivered at its best, by one of the best, in a context that seems wholly appropriate, rather than pumping out of huge speakers in a passing car ;)

To me (although I may never get really into the rap genre because the anger, frustration and dismissiveness that seem to me to be so much at its heart don't appeal to me most of the time), Chuck D's contribution is perfect, and brings the frustrated anger of MMW into sharp relief with a stroke of genius.

To me this isn't Meat trying to crowbar something "modern" into his work, but that he is interested exploring and getting to understand other forms of music. Nor is it a new style he has adopted; he is also intelligent enough musically not to attempt it himself, but to bring in someone who IS that style. Rather I see this as his musically intuitive understanding that it is exactly what was required to give the track a core strength that could only be achieved this way, and the wisdom to bring in the perfect exponent of the musical form who then delivered something quite exceptional. I can only imagine how Meat and Paul's jaws must have dropped when they received the tape, and they have integrated it brilliantly. For all these reasons it is a stand-out track which gets a solid and thoroughly impressed 10 from me.

Caryl

Hmmm ... I don't know ... Although rap is just not my thing :down: I should give it (to this song) justice:
- first - Meat is singing main parts and, what's more, he is singing by most of the time,
- second - Chuck D is, maybe not the best but still, quite good singer.
How to sum up? Perhaps in this way: 6,5/10.



PS. I like collaboration between Aerosmith and Run DMC. :up: It is exception (for me) ... but it is.

Meat could sing 'The Good God Is A Woman' part of the song but he recorded rap by Chuck D. Why? What's the point? The main point is marketing, album selling.

Rap in Meat's music cannot be more than a marketing thing. Lil John and Chuck D are mainstream rappers. They are on the album to open to another audience and sell the album. How many Chuck D or Lil John fans have bought HIAHB because of their idol? How many Meat fans have bought the Ted Nugent album because of our idol?

The same story was Hugh Laurie, Jack Black or Jennifer Hudson. It's no problem just I keep funny when people want to explain how a rap suit a Meat song or Meat's new style...

I don't know a lot about rap but I think 'The Goog God Is A Woman' is not good rap at all...

:twisted: Needs less rap.

I disagree. I listen to rap music very often and I think this particular one is very good.

And 10 from me. The whole song is just perfect :-) x

It's definitely true that often genre "crossover' is used to sell records, but I don't think it's a huge factor in this case. It's impossible to know without marketing figures, but my guess is that probably not many Chuck D or Lil John fans bought HIAHB because of their contributions, especially nowadays when people can easily buy just one track from iTunes without having to purchase the whole album. I can't speak for anyone else, but I have "Free-For-All" because I like Ted Nugent.

Personally, I like "Mad, Mad, World" a lot- it's probably one of my favorite songs on the album. I really don't listen to rap either, but it's more because of the content than the style for me. In this song, I think it works.

And more cowbell. :mrgreen:

I'm tired of the guest vocalists* on recent Meat Loaf albums, I can't stand Stand In The Storm**, incl. the Lil' Jon rap (not only because I'm not interested in those DT show folks at all) but I like the Chuck D part that was added to the Cochrane song. Mad Mad World itself lacks variety, Chuck D saves it from sounding mediocre.


* I.e. those I fail to see what kind of musical relationship they have to him.
** The only good thing about it were Meat Loaf's vocals on the original version. Haven't heard the new one.

Again you present your view as if it were fact. I disagree entirely with your view that Meat includes such things to sell more albums. In my view he is collaborative, creative, and constantly open to new ideas, new genres.

Lil John was an integral part of the Backbone team, so the four artists collaborated on a song to raise money for their charities. Meat then wanted to include a track he was proud of and which fitted the overall concept/meaning of the album. These are facts.

He was working with Hugh Laurie, knew he is a great piano player, and wanted to collaborate. He knows Jack Black and wanted to do the same. I do not know if anyone pushed Jennifer Hudson (nor do you of course) but again, she has a great voice, and Meat enjoys collaborating.

You may find it amusing. I find it interesting to hear people's views, all of which are just as valid as your view .. perhaps even a bit more open-minded.

An odd platform on which to base judgement, but at least this is presented as your thought. I don't know how typical of the genre this rap is. I do know Chuck D is held to be one of the best. If it's atypical perhaps that's why I liked it so much more than much of the rap I hear and pass on. Or perhaps it's because he IS the best? Whatever, the hard, angry sound emphasises the message in MMW brilliantly in my view, and is integrated perfectly.

Caryl

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I stand by my comments on the review I wrote for my website...

Chuck D's contribution was brilliant and no...it could not have been performed by Meat Loaf. There is no way that even had Meat Loaf been presented with those lyrics that he would have delivered them like Chuck D did. There is an anger in the voice of a true rap artist that cannot be denied, there is an anger in the voice of America that cannot be denied...Meat Loaf wanted to illustrate the world is going to Hell In A Handbasket and this was the perfect way to do so.

That's naive. It's 2012 when you have to do a lot to sell yourself. In my view Meat has never been collaborative before, it's full of marketing now. Dennis Quaid is a friend of Meat, he has a rock band and they have never cooperated. Why? Because Dennis Quiad is not trendy.

Hugh Laurie as Dr. House is trendy, Jack Black is very trendy. Rap is ace as well. That's my view...

And that's somewhat impertinent. After all, I don't describe your opinions as bitterly resentful that Meat has moved on from Steinman.

Your view. One with which I do not accord. In my view Meat is motivated by other things than selling and marketing himself. Dave summed it up well I think when he said "There is an anger in the voice of a true rap artist that cannot be denied"

In my view that's why Meat felt he wanted a rap artist, and this followed his exploring the genre after meeting Lil John. Paul suggested ChuckD.

Caryl

Sorry, in Hungarian naive is not a bad word. But I keep my opinion. Rap and Meat cannot be more, only marketing...

Marion Raven sounded like marketing to me. Because she had a solo career on the rise and to work with Meat she had opportunities to be on more TV and touring the world. Something I'm sure would have taken a little more time without Meat, imo.

As for Mr. Laurie, we've heard Meat say that he slipped Hugh a note asking him about recording a song. Hugh agreed. I don't see it anymore than that. Same applies with Jack, I see them both as enthusiastic artists who wanted to play a song together.

In reguards to the hip hop, its rather surprising to hear on the new ML album. But I see it lesser marketing and more a collaborative effort. It was experimental and to me it was successful.

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Oh I agree with that .. although imo this came from the record company who wanted to promote her career, rather than Meat wanting to sell more albums which seems to be the burden of WoH's song. It was to push another artist's career rather than sell significant additional copies of Bat3.

Caryl

Have never been a fan of rap and am never likely to be! However, Chuck D's part in this song works really well imo. One of my favourites on the album. My score: 10

Yes they have. Perhaps not on record but if you saw the In Search Of Paradise documentary you'll recall he had DQ come out and do a song with him on the Canadian leg of the 3 Bats tour in 2007. The opportunity presented itself and Meat took it, much like the story of Hugh Laurie.

On topic, MMW gets an 8.5 from me. I don't really like rap but I don't hate it either. The Chuck D part works great and I live the transition from the rap part back into MMW. A great moment on an album littered with great moments.

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I would just like to say a few words about Chuck's piece. In rap, diamonds and jewellery is a common theme in this artform. Many have real large and expensive bling. After much repetition (sp?) from rap artists in the mainstream Chuck brings a different light about the jewellery which is pretty neat. real unique spin on the subject. Hell In A Handbasket is more pleasing each day I play it. Always in full.

After reading the lyrics I see the diamonds may actually be the songs. Anybody else see it? My above post was written at 4 am when i should have been sleeping!! 8)
Anybody see anything different? Similar?

[QUOTE=RSG;570187]After reading the lyrics I see the diamonds may actually be the songs.

yes, indeed ... agree absolutely ... i really love HIAHB and i'm playing it also in full :D

9 - terrificly bonkers rock track. I normally hate rap but really like the madness of including it here. So mad, it's good !

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See "All of Me" for explanation

:twisted: I saw some guy once standing by a crossroads shouting nonsence at cars that were driving by him.
It could not be denied that there was true anger in his voice (although for the life of me I don't know what he was mad at. Perhaps not enough people were wearing purple socks that day to keep the cosmic forces on the universe in balance.For all I know, he was right) but i'd be ~~~~~~ed 5 ways from Sunday in an Easter hat if i'd put him on an album.

Likewise, history is littered with people who were so good at being either mad or pissed off they were able to do it for a living. ~~~~~~, Stalin, Caligula, but if I had a time machine I wouldn't be recruiting any of them to guest star on my album.

In fact, if Meat put Chuck D on the record because Meat is unable to portray anger, then as a singer and an actor he's in the wrong business.

I don't think Meat is in the wrong business.

I don't want to rate this song including the rap segment, because it is SUCH a drag factor.

I can understand how some people think it fits, but it doesn't work for me.
What can I tell you, i'm right into the song, and then my shoulders slump and I get the "meh" feeling as soon as it gets to the rap.

Blue Sky and Mad Mad World are both amazing songs.
Blue Sky is a beautiful emotional piece, while Mad Mad World just wants to rock the holy f*cking hell out of you :metal: .

I'd rate like this.

BS - 10
BS/MMW 10
BS/MMW/GGIAW 3 (it's one hell of a drag factor)
MMW 10
MMW/GGIAW 1/10 (the quality is going down in quantity)
GGIAW -10

What can I say, 2 out of three ain't bad :wink:

Oh, and MMW reminded me of two facts.

1. I'll never be a drummer.

2. I'd love to be lol.

3. I'm upside down

:D

:twisted: I was in my Bat Cave while I was typing :facepalm:
That's my excuse and i'm sticking to it :bleh:

Besides, have yo considered the possibility I was talking about World War 1000 :p

jesus. and youre MY spell checker?

So you are going to tell me that Dustin Hoffman was just as qualified to play Malcolm X as Denzil Washington? You are going to tell me that Barry Manilow is as qualified to play Eliza Doolittle as Audrey Hepburn? I have seen the exact same show directed by the exact same director with slight casting changes...the show changes. No one actor or actress is an end all be all. Further, the team that produced and directed this album envisioned the story with certain players and will reference something I have said earlier...to have Meat Loaf play all the roles would have changed the final story they had to tell.

:twisted: I've never seen Dustin play Malcom X, and I suspect neither have you, so we both have no idea on the subject :wink:

Ditto. :lmao:


Well, in my opinion, this lineup (basically, the inclusion of the rap, it's pretty much the only problem I have with the whole album) is not the best.


But stricly speaking, this is a music album, it's not a play.
Not even a radio play like War Of The Worlds.
Your lead is the one carrying most of the show.


And it was all very well done.
I think it's a very good album.
But I think the two raps were downers.
There is twice on the album where i'll be off in the land of rock and singing along, drumming my fingers, tapping my foot, and pretty much in the world of the music, and then i'm pulled out of that thinking "oh shit" and both times are when it gets to the rap.
It's like having some git wake you up in the middle of a great dream.

They just don't work for me at all.

Average: 5.93 (83/14)