Bat Out Of Hell On X Factor
 

God help us ...

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...er-rivals.html

... although it is The Sun so hopefully its shite.

Good picture of Meat though.

Hmmm an impending car crash TV moment perhaps? But probably compulsive watching at the same time.

I don't know what worries me more, the thoughts of Bat Out Of Hell being performed on X Factor by anybody or the fact that there's another link to the, so called, Newspaper called the Sun

This is going to be piss funny, he is one weird dude, but catchy also :D

OOOPS! Who mentioned the S word!!!!! lol

:twisted: It's well known that Jim wrote Bat as the ultimate crash song, and now finally a singer who really will make it the worst crash ever.

I've not been watching X Factor (once the funny auditions are finished I lose complete interest) so didn't know anything about Wagner apart from the word "operatic" has been linked to him several times in the newspapers.

I've just searched him on youtube and I was not impressed.
He's this years novelty act who will be good for 1 novelty party album and then he'll never be seen again.
I just hope that Bat isn't on that album :facepalm:

i also love the fact his first name is wagner....

Here's last week's effort from Wagner:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-jtjggnagU

As he struggles with Living La Vida Loca, just imagine how Bat Out Of Hell will turn out ...

Also here's the loser from a couple of weeks ago murdering Born To Run - it seems Louis Walsh (who mentors this guy and Wagner) is purposely trying to get his acts voted off by butchering rock classics (?!)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMUha...eature=related

You can get a second helping of Bat on BBC 1 on Strictly Come Dancing as Matt Baker is performing a Latino style dance to it!
Could 2 crashes in 1 day be too much for this song????

It won't be a crash on Strictly. Matt is a very good dancer and the house band are brilliant.

JEEZUS! Some bloke other than Meat Loaf is going to be singing Bat Out Of Hell and he's getting a panning for it, why not let him have a bit of fun...FFS :roll:

doubt it would be an issue if Wagner could sing, although I reckon he'd do a (slightly) better job of Bat than the other crap he's been doing

Matt is awesome, although I just can't get my head around doing Argentinian Tango to Bat Out Of Hell?

The house band are brilliant 9 times out of 10 - will be interesting to see what they do with Bat - especially the key!!

Anyway, all the best to Matt - I'm (almost!) sure it will be fantastic as always!

Hear hear!

oh dear god it was awful...

Really really awful lol!!

:lol:

What... the hell...

YouTube Video

oh my god....

It was awful, I didn't know to laugh or feel sorry for him.

oh....my.....god

Even TJ our 9 week old puppy had his paws over his ears!

that is the first time i have seen this guy, and hopefully the last, he sounds like arnie mixed with dracula...

:yikes: :facepalm:

During the Carl Orff bit I thought that maybe it would turn out okay but then I heard the first words of Bat... :shock::wtf::facepalm: The guy is somehow amusing but he just can't sing that song. In fact I haven't heard a version of Bat so far that was at least half as impressive as Meat's. That and the guy who sang Born To Run are two of the numerous reasons why I can't take such talent shows seriously.

:sick:

Still. You gotta give the man credit for trying.

Please don't ever try again.

Yep just what I expect I now suspect that my remote was hiding to stop my ears bleeding.

That was hilarious :lmao: hopefully he'll last till next week and we'll get Anything For Love. The guy might be shit but he's shit and on TV, good luck to him.

Simon said it best when he said "What the hell".

An entertainer but definately not a singer. He should leave songs like Bat Out Of Hell to those who can really sing.

agreed bat is one of those songs that meat can only sing. anyone can cover took the words, two outta three, paradise, AFL, even masculine. But LEAVE BAT ALONE.

now ... looks like im got bat to do for the recording project :twisted:

I don't think Meat has got too much to worry about! LOL

Simon was quite easy on him

To be fair 'that guy who sang Born To Run' did background vocals on Bat 3, and it's evident why he does background vocals and not the main ones.

HE'S HOT!!!!

kidding.

ok, I liked the dancing skeletons. I thought they were cool. This guy has a "likeability" factor. He just may get the votes. LMAO though!

In this video you can also see someone who played on Bat III. This is what a cover of that song has to sound like - and fortunately there ain't any dancing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kP7RQdVZKBY

That guy is a better singer than Wagner but he doesn't appear interesting to me and apparently he didn't understand the song. Wagner is at least entertaining and I agree with Suzie regarding the "likeability factor". But as a fan of Bruce as well as of Meat, having to witness what these great songs have to serve for on TV these days is almost depressing.

The guy actually reminds me of myself: a 54 year old momma's boy who cant sing but has great charisma :))

I didn't know that you were that old. ;)

Oh my god...I just died a little inside...

The first we heard of it was a text from my Mum saying "are you watching X Factor? Nothing will prepare you!" and the second was "there was no excuse for that!!"

Oddly, I actually believe I've seen worse! To me, Bat is one of those songs that can only be done by Meat's voice, it just sounds wrong otherwise, so if people are going to cover it I'd much prefer to watch someone like Wagner having some fun and doing almost a pi$$-take version than watch some people I've seen attempting to do a serious cover which will never work - as was proved on Strictly when they gave it to a British guy who sang it with an American twang and the "rock" huskiness to his voice.

Brilliantly tongue in cheek terrible!

Of course Bat is synonymous with Meat, no one can sing it liek the big man. Last nights effort was bad TV that was compulsive watching. If they'd slowed it down a little bit it would have been far far better, the speed and the Brazilian accent just don't mix.

I spent most of the night on the phone to the Samaritans and a razor blade in one hand;) LOL..
IMO he does not have the likeability factor, more like the you fat skanky basterd factor ! I am gonna hunt Louie down, the sackless tw@t should be strung up, i am scarred for life !

The same people who made Rage Against The Machine Xmas No.1 are apparently voting repeatedly for that Wagner guy every week to make him the winner lol! Also I would like to suggest the title of this thread is changed to Bat Out Of Hell MURDERED On X Factor!

Oh my god!! Just thought surely not, but checked the sleeve notes and he's on like every track :shock: He was definitely not lead singer material though

Wagner didn't just sing BOOH poorly he absolutely massacred it. I thought he'd be lambasted by Simon Cowell, but he actually got off lightly. How can he possibly get through after that? it was a shockingly bad performance. Whoever votes for him really needs to get their hearing checked out. The X-Factor is a shambles.

this is even worse:

YouTube Video

At least Spice up your life and all the other stuff he sang were pants songs to begin with. I have a feeling that people are going to be taking the piss in work tomorrow :roll:

:shock::angry::yikes::panic::kickass:

Thats a bit harsh ain't it. I think Wagner knows he is not going to win X-Factor and is going along with the fun. Credit to the guy to get on stage on live tv too millions and do what he did. OK, it may have been a awful performance, but I was not expecting Meat, I was expecting the cheesy performance he gave, thats what I expect from trash tv. :D

:up:

Exactly!

I didn't know the Samaritans offered advice on feminine grooming ;-)

Well, he got through to next weeks show!!!!

ha ha, he did something right with his performance as he back next week :D

Omg that's the crappest thing i've ever seen on any talent show yet!! And he got through?

Totally agree. Hope he stays in the competition a few more weeks, the guy is funny if nothing else.

I can't decide what's more annoying, Wagner's massacre of Bat or that he managed to avoid being voted off.

He does seen to irritate Simon Cowell though, so it's not all bad. Imagine Cowell's dilemma if the joke act actually won the show and the recording contract.

As was said earlier its like the Rage Against The Machine campaign last Christmas. If Wagner does actually win as a result of some kind of protest vote, then surely its the end of even the X Factor's already tenuous credibility.

Stephen Fry Loves Wagner (lol) ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAKJBzE8a3A

If anyone should be annoyed at a "massacre" of the song surely it's the composer? It doesn't do Meat any harm so doesn't worry me. It might even make someone who hasn't thought about Meat for a while remember and wonder what he's up to .. find out he's touring soon and decide to go to a concert :-)

The guy himself clearly entertains those who watch the show .. and the organisers play to the public's apparent enjoyment of seeing people make asses of themselves; you only have to see what they allow into the heats to spot that! As to if he should win .. why would Cowell care? The guy has an army determined to make the record sell if he should win (Remember Mr Blobby was No 1 one Christmas! It happens .. some will buy it for a joke present) and imo Cowell would happily release one record to get a number one hit and without a backward glance drop the guy like a stone immediately afterwards .. and still be laughing all the way to the bank!

Caryl

Agreed, and I wouldn't bet against the guy outselling HCTB ;)

he could also be offered the lead role in the Bat musical?;)

Wagner would do great with LOTO

Of course .. that level of media coverage, mass marketing and novelty would do for him what it did for Mr Blobby, and he'd be a one time, one hit wonder. But in 30 years time I would bet he won't have sold the number of records that Meat has, nor still be playing to packed out arenas. Solid talent endures; happily the ridiculous usually slips away into merciful oblivion :-)

Caryl

well Meat has 2 versions selling well enough on itunes at the moment, so i guess well done Wagner for that:D,, 2 bat singles are in the top 160 on itunes at the moment.

exactly, if Meat performend on the x factor hes sales would rocket.

IMO it isn't harsh what i posted, i just detest the man, he gives me the creeps and has done before he even got to the live shows.
Therefore i posted what i think, he was shite, i think he is a fat sweaty tw@t.
Good luck to anyone who thinks its fun, i don't !
Some people think he is likeable, again i don't ! Merely voicing my feelings on the matter.

Criticizing someone for being "fat" and "sweaty" on a website dedicated to Meat Loaf is kind of absurd. :lawl:

That would require a Bat musical to actually take place.

Then why do I see and hear Lady Gaga most days :wall:

He definately has some type of factor. The S--t factor.:roll:

Because she actually has some talent and crafts some decent pop songs.

Agreed :lol:

Really? Then she should release some.

Both of her albums are chock full of them mate ;)

Chock full of shite. In fact that would be an apt title for her next album.

I agree, having that as a title would not be any weirder than the shite she wears daily, who the hell gets dressed up as a piece of Meat, she is a few screws short I think, and if anyone gives me the creeps it's her, soon she will be wearing her boyfriend, poor sod :lol:

You do realise the reason she wears what she does and the like is more persona and to be theatrical then anything else right?

Although I do admit the meat thing was one step too far in my opinion.

She wears what she does because she bloody freaky ? I really don't think she knows reality anymore ? Maybe the pressure of fame is sending her bloody loopy. :D

No. I think she wears what she does because she wants to be remembered, especially since her songs are easily forgettable.

I'm with you on that one Pud. Bland and indistinguishable from thousands of other crappy electro pop releases.

Except that I hate her music and yet I can recall each of her singles because they're certainly nothing like the other stuff in the charts and are so popular they get played everywhere, much to my chagrin.

True. Maybe Meat should do a duet with her :barf:

Meat and her could do wonders with bad romance....

To you maybe, not to me. LOL...

Caryl said, 'If anyone should be annoyed at a "massacre" of the song surely it's the composer? It doesn't do Meat any harm so doesn't worry me'

I have no idea whether Steinman or Meat care - but I like the music enough to cringe when its B@stardised by the X Factor. Surely anyone who likes BOOH feels the same way ?

Caryl also said, 'As to if he should win .. why would Cowell care? imo Cowell would happily release one record to get a number one hit and without a backward glance drop the guy like a stone immediately afterwards .. and still be laughing all the way to the bank!'

I'm sure Cowell would prefer a Leona Lewis to a Wagner any day - a long standing career as opposed to a one hit wonder. Lets face it whoever wins the X Factor will probably have a hit at Christmas - but surely Cowell would rather manage an act who has the potential to achieve numerous number ones, and crucially more album sales, than say a Mr Blobby.

The danger for Cowell is that if his TV show becomes a joke then he suffers from diminsihing returns from his acts - no Leona Lewis - just Steve Brooksteins instead ... anyone remember him ... ?

Apologies but I'm struggling with the 'quote' tools etc ...

Yes, from Wagner who's shite, to Lady GaGa who's shite, who'd have thought it !:lol:!

This is interesting...
 

:shock: !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

WOW! Déjà vu?

Clearly not, as I like BOOH but wasn't offended or annoyed. I cringe at all these "talent" shows, so try to avoid them; but a ridiculous performance of a song which has been recorded by Meat doesn't get me irate.

I wouldn't argue that Cowell would prefer to find another Leona Lewis .. I just believe that he'd also happily release a one hit wonder, as he's done before. The million invested in the recording contract prize is a fraction of what Cowell makes from the show. Finding a treasure is imo a bonus, and I doubt Cowell would invest any more time and money in Wagner than the basic contract prize if he won. He'd just walk away and focus on the next one, and still have come out on top.

Imo at base he's a money-making machine; makes millions from the shows themselves, and one hit from a performer who is unlikely to achieve anything much the next time round is still a little icing on the Cowell cake. Next year he'll have another show and another hit record out of it. To me his show IS pretty much a joke anyway, but he still makes millions. Sixteen number-one singles have been released by artists who have appeared on the show; how many of them have released albums that flew? It doesn't halt the popularity of the programme, nor the flow of money into Cowell's bank account. The October offer from ITV to Cowell was £12m .. just to put expenditure on the "prize" into perspective ;) And his deal for the US is said to be £100m.

Caryl

I could be wrong, but I think the winners of these shows only have a one album deal with Cowell anyway :shrug: And it's usually the first album of any artist where the record executives make their money as they can rip them off, as the artist is usually clueless to the business.

Yes, they only have an assurance of a one album deal (plus the inevitable single released these days for the run up to Christmas).

The winning act (which has just 3 days to sign the contract they're given) gets an advance of £150,000 for a first album .. out of which their expenses must be paid. The remainder of the much vaunted million pound prize goes on marketing the album to ensure a return. They get 15% from single and album sales. Headlining a tour brings 7.5% of show profits and 15% of merchandise sales. They have to sign with agent Modest Management (run by Cowell's long time friend) in a deal having the potential to last 14 years, but clearly they can be dropped in a heartbeat .. and most seem to be dropped fairly swiftly. Participants are gagged, signing a contract binding them to Cowell's record label Syco Entertainment (part of Sony BMG), and another forbidding them to make comments that may be considered negative or critical of the company and, particularly of Cowell.

Syco has final say over tracks for albums, and can choose producers and single releases, and they are rushed through to meet Cowell's deadlines. Most have not got their knees brown in the business and go along with what is given them (Meat recently posted about this) .. and to argue your corner is not acceptable.

Brookstein (who Paul referred to above) was dropped by Syco 12 weeks after his first album was released. Brookstein refused to play the game, wanting artistic control over future material he recorded. He was offered £12,500 to go away quietly, and when he refused was dropped, found his website taken down and no other major companies would take him.

Many runners up also get contracts. Andy Abraham (2005 runner up) signed a five-album deal with Syco. His first album stayed at No 2 for two weeks. His second album (“another load of covers. I did it because I was told to”) was released for Christmas 2006. He filled the Albert Hall, was given a party by Sony ... and then promptly dropped, by both record company and management.

As you say, once they've got a return from the first album, unless you are really exceptional, there's no interest in developing them.

Caryl

The music industry realy hasn't changed a great deal over the years has it? The nly artists with any sort of freedom are the really big names who've endured the time of restrictive contracts placed by managers and record companies and built up enough of a reputatio to be able to call the shots themselves.

Compare the stories of the contracts that meat and Jim were tieed to with Bat with the current crop and there are alot of similarities, in fact look at the recent revelations Meat gave us on this board about Bat III. Sure, the artists possibly had more artistic freedom 30+ years ago, in terms of the songs and recording style, but the overall control still rested with the suits.

Unless you're a Springsteen, or an Elton John or similar the chances are that you really can't do what you want.

Well at least we agree that Cowell exploits both the 'artist' and the 'music'. By the way I love the expression 'getting their knees brown' - the mind boggles :lol:

In fairness to Cowell, he's only exploiting those who wish to be exploited. He never personally asks anyone to try out on one of his shows, that's all voluntary. And even though the record deal might suck for the artist, they're probably getting a better deal and lifestyle than what they were used to in their dead-end jobs, if they had a job at all :shrug:

Possibly, but I'm not sure everyone on the show is aware they're being exploited. At least some contestants appear positively delusional as to their capabilities and / or prospects - how else would Wagner be persuaded to sing something as difficult as BOOH when as the joke act he'd be more suited to joke songs by say ... Black Lace ... ?

Then I guess they're complete f*cktards.

Wagner this weeks performance:

YouTube Video

First he butchers Meat, now Elvis

I saw Wagner in Vegas.:shock:

Yes, those who genuinely can sing and see it as a fast route to making their name are probably as Pud said, "usually clueless to the business" so are wide open to exploitation .. probably hoping they won't be one of those who get dropped as quickly as they were picked up.

Indeed, although many of those imo just seek to have their few minutes of fame when the heats are shown. The heats shows need to have the ridiculous, and these people don't seem to care that people are laughing at rather than with them, as long as they get on TV. This means that some who might, with help, succeed are turned down because the show has to have its quota of the ridiculous, which knocks much of the argument that it's a "talent show" imo. Someone I know with a good voice auditioned and was eliminated because they had their "quota of people who can actually sing".

I think the contestants have limited scope to make the decisions .. plus this guy knows he's considered a joke, is playing on that, and the longer he's in the more likely he'll be able to find work in pubs and clubs as an "entertainer" after the programme is over.

Caryl

See, now as a huge Meat Loaf fan, on the one hand, I find it absolutely cringeworthy to see people murdering Bat in cases such as these. But I'm glad it's tongue in cheek, and for what it's worth, it does actually please me that songs like this are used in reality TV shows like this, because it gives Meat's music more exposure to a younger audience.

But is that younger audience now going to associate Bat with crummy, joke songs? Are they going to hear Wagner butchering it and then dismiss it as rubbish? Or are their parents going to pull out Bat Out Of Hell and show them how it's done properly? :shrug:

They should've given BOOH or any Steinman song to someone who can actually sing. Now I'm no fan of Chris Issak, but I thought Rebecca Ferguson's interpretation took Wicked Game to another level.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ehTfUaEc_Dg&NR=1

If they gave a Steinman song to her and took the performance / staging seriously then I think a younger audience could be interested. :shrug: