A Big Meat Loaf RANT!!! (RNR Hall of Fame)
 

Before I start my "rant", I'd just like to state the following. I found this web site about a week ago thanks to Suzieq and her husband. Hanging out here has been great. I'm impressed by the amount of "younger" fans on here. My journey following Meat Loaf began in 1978...probably before many on here were born. It's great to see that he has so many younger fans, surely a testament to his passion to perform and his ability to reach all groups of people.

As I mentioned, I've been a fan since 1978 when I first saw Meat on Saturday Night Live. Through 32 years, I've listened to everything he's done. I'm sure many of you are drawn to Meat Loaf for a variety of reasons. For me, it has always been the genuine quality of his performance, the commitment to his craft, and the uncompromising way he has handled his career and his music. I'm fortunate to work in the world of professional athletics ( Major League Baseball). Through that experience, I have gotten to see and know many great professional athletes. The qualities that I have admired in some of them are the same that makes Meat Loaf my favorite performer. When you watch Meat, it is easy to see that he is out there for much more than fame and money. This guy LOVES to perform.....and genuinely cares about the performance he gives his fans every time out.

NOW...for my RANT!!!

How in the HELL is Meat Loaf NOT in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame? I'm a talent evaluator of sorts for a big league baseball team.....and don't profess to be an EXPERT in music. BUT.....please give me a freakin break!!! I may not be one of the 500 EXPERTS who decide who gets into the Hall of Fame, but I'll be damned if I don't know greatness when I see it! NOBODY can look down the list of those in the HALL and tell me that Meat Loaf does not belong!!! I suspect somewhere along the line he has pissed off the music industry because he is his own man, has great personal integrity, and does things the way he thinks they should be done......and Thank God for it! No one gives as much on stage as Meat does. In the past, I have only witnessed this on television of film. However, on August 30, 2010 in Orlando, FL I got to witness it live and in person. ENOUGH SAID!!! The countless stories I've read about his interaction with his fans and the way he treats them is impressive. I hope to someday have the pleasure to shake the mans hand and tell him how much I've enjoyed his work through the years.

So.....to the Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame.......wake the hell up!!! Do your freakin job! Nominate...and then vote this man into the Hall! Until you do....the Hall is NOT complete. There are many great performers in the Hall. Some performed at the 25th Anniversary show that was carried on HBO. They were all great and it was a blast to see them again. BUT......Meat belongs there! VOTE him in!

RANT OFF:

I'm sorry if I used any language that would be considered offensive to this forum. I don't usually get this worked up....but I do have my moments. :D
I've spent the past week on the road....with my new "Hang Cool Teddy Bear" CD playing. I had apprehension at first as to how much I'd like it......but no more. I don't know about you guys.....but I love it! I think it may be one of the best things he's done.

PS.....I'll try not to "rant" too often.

Does it really matter whether someone is in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame?

Judging by my post, I may not be the one to ask. LOL

Sorta. i feel something will always be missing till he's in. I mean rappers are in for gosh sakes :roll:...

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Firstly I think this debate has already happened and it was argued to death and secondly I don't see why your so worked up over it, I mean we as Meat's fans know how wonderful and fantastic he is and how he is with his fans etc and at the end of the day isn't THAT what counts and matters ?
:shrug: IDK I just think personally this was a pointless rant really but each to their own.

In the words of comedian Steve Martin......"well, excuuuuuuuuuuuuuuse me"! :D

If this has been argued to death.....it was before my arrival.

Sorry didn't notice the join date ;).

To be fair, I think RaysScout is trying to find out an answer to a question without being a thread digger. He's new here...based on a recommendation to come here for Meat Loaf knowledge.

Hey RaysScout,

From what I've been told:
The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame is full of politics. Our beloved Meat has been nominated and we've tried to vote him in. If not here at MLUKFC (before my time), but at his former official forums on the old website and I believe ROL tried too. It's not for lack of fan interest. I would only hope for it to be fan driven. But when it comes to the committee on the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame itself, it's a crap load of politics of who gets in.

The last I heard the committee there weren't "fans" of Meat, so they kick his name to the curb. That coupled with the some of the people IN it to begin with, sorta' looses credibility to me. I'm not here to argue, but this is what I was aware of at the time R&R Hall of Fame was brought up on another site.

Any further information would gladly be welcomed, if you have the knowledge. No arguements.

As a sidebar, I also submitted Meat to be nominated for a star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame. The jury is still out on that one too.

suzieq

Yes this has been discussed before and I can see why people would want him inducted in there. I think some people have this plea included in their signature too.

I think inductees in the RNR hall of fame mostly get in there based on their popularity in the States, so given the fact Meat has been more successful in Europe and beyond hasn't helped him with this probably. Also there is only a short list of people inducted each year and it's only been going for 25 years + note many artists only get inducted when they are no more (George Harrison for example). I'm not saying that is what SHOULD happen but it is often the case people don't notice things until they are gone. I think the fact that Michael Jackson didn't get inducted till 2001 is a good example of this as he was well beyond his peak popularity by then as is the case with many others in the list so far.

It would be great if it were to happen but we as fans can't do much about it really. :shrug:

Bit bizarre Abba were inducted this year, wouldn't exactly call their music Rock and Roll.

Who knows it may still happen.

Personally I'd like to see Meat Loaf AND Jim Steinman (non performer category) get inducted in the same year.

I agree .. and I also agree there IS a point. Meat's made a pretty outstanding contribution to rock'n'roll; a landmark album which continues to remain one of the best selling rock albums of all time, and over 30 years of delivering spectacular shows .. my opinion, but that of many others also. Problem is that the nominating body is a very political organisation in a business sense where if you're with the right label you get nominated, and the chairman exercises an iron control as far as I can make out from numerous articles I've read over the years deploring the nominating procedure. And Meat's not one to curry favour as you say. He's his own man and doesn't court honours. We've hosted and sent in many petitions since he became eligible for inclusion, all to no avail. We've even asked performers (who are included and thus can nominate), and who know him and his music, but have had no response .. and if he's not nominated he can't get votes. But without his presence imo a Rock and Roll Hall of Fame lacks something important, and whilst he may not court it, I'm sure he'd be chuffed to be included. He still treasures his Grammy ;)

Not offensive imo .. nor pointless. And although it's been debated before, as a newcomer it's in my view a perfectly reasonable concern to express. As you say, it was before you joined, is pretty well buried I suspect in the annals, and the fact that his fans on here think he's wonderful, and many more fans not registered here, doesn't take away from the fact that his contribution deserves recognition from the music industry (although the rather parochial HoF nominating body are to me hardly representative of the music industry as a whole).

Agree completely. Pure Meat, pure masterpiece to me :D

Caryl

For what wikipedia is worth:

The Criticism:
The main criticism of the Hall of Fame is that the nomination process is controlled by a few individuals who are not musicians, such as founder Jann Wenner (who has filled the position of managing editor for Rolling Stone magazine), former foundation director Suzan Evans, and writer Dave Marsh, reflecting their tastes rather than the views of the rock world as a whole. A former member of the nominations board once commented that "At one point Suzan Evans lamented the choices being made because there weren't enough big names that would sell tickets to the dinner. That was quickly remedied by dropping one of the doo-wop groups being considered in favor of a 'name' artist...I saw how certain pioneering artists of the '50s and early '60s were shunned because there needed to be more name power on the list, resulting in '70s superstars getting in before the people who made it possible for them. Some of those pioneers still aren't in today."[17] According to Fox News, petitions with tens of thousands of signatures were also being ignored, and some groups that were signed with certain labels or companies or were affiliated with various committee members have even been put up for nomination with no discussion at all.[17] The committee has also been accused of largely ignoring certain genres.[18] According to author Brett Milano, "entire genres get passed over, particularly progressive rock, '60s Top 40, New Orleans funk and a whole lot of black music."[19]
Another criticism is that too many artists are inducted. In fifteen years, 97 different artists have been inducted.[20] A minimum of 50% of the vote is needed to be inducted, although the final percentages are not announced and a certain number of inductees (five in 2009) is set before the ballots are shipped.[20] The committee usually nominates a small number of artists (12 in 2010) from an increasing number of different genres. Several voters, including Joel Selvin, himself a former member of the nominating committee, didn't submit their ballots in 2007 because they didn't feel that any of the candidates were truly worthy.[21]
The surviving members of the Sex Pistols, inducted in 2006, projected their anti-establishment image in refusing to attend the ceremony, calling the museum "a piss stain".[22]

It's a question many of us have been asking for quite a while now. I totally understand your rant, I feel the same way, but like a few have pointed out it seems to be politics and Meat is his own man and doesn't go in for all that bullshit. But I never give up hope that one day he will take his rightful place in the R 'n R Hall of Fame. I think Queen only became member's fairly recently, so that gives me hope. It doesn't seem right that a few individuals who seem to have no idea are the ones who decide these things. Thanks Caryl and suzie for your explanations.

Carole

I wonder if Meat gives a shit about being in the RnRHoF :shrug:

I don't think he would really, being in it does not really help with selling albums or selling out tours, it's just a excuse to hold a ceremony and dinner, just to get pissed I think. :D

Regarding awards. I think Meat said somewhere that he would like an Oscar above anything else. However, a good Piss Up anywhere sounds good.:D

I'm pretty sure he doesn't give a rats ass about the RnRHoF. It's obvious that his greatness has not been defined be being in or out. My "rant" had more to do with what a JOKE the HoF is.

A totally understandable rant. The RNRHOF does not have the same stature or respect as other HOF's like the NFL and MLB. What we need is a HOF thread. Who truly belongs in a RNR HOF?

I don't care who is or who isn't in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. I have my own, virtual Hall of Fame and I can induct whoever I want to it. :))

:twisted: Not really, but it's a nice honour, and a validation of all the years of hard work Meat has put in.
Not that he should need such validation, but still.... :shrug:


I wouldn't.
I would much much prefare that Meat was given the honour and recognition on his own merit (which is more than enough) and not because some of his fans have to jump up and down trying to attract some attention.
If that's what it takes, that's what it takes, but i'd much rather it was Meat's works that got him inducted rather a fan campaign.

Like him or hate him, he's not rock n roll.
He does not belong there.
Ditto ABBA.


Is there anyone alive who would not dig being inducted?
Even just a little bit?
It might not be the be all and end all, but anyone who says that don't give a shit about being inducted as one of the immortals or rock n roll is full of shit :shit:

Best reason for it yet :up:

Who are the committee members, what is the criteria, and do you have induction ceremonies? :mrgreen:

Hopefully, if and when you induct Meat into your virtual HOF, you will send us all virtual invitations so we can virtually attend. LOL

Too late, he already is a member. :p

Great. I will try to arrange a virtual visit. :lol:

Let Me Clarify:
I would prefer that Meat be given full recognition by the industy in which he helped evolve if not, at the very least, creating a league of his own in Rock and Roll. However with the current nomination structure the HoF reaks of favoritism and stupid popularity contests. It is simply corrupt. I would rather see the fans voice have more weight in the nomination process at least to balance out some unfair play. But after trying at length, we (the fans) don't hold any weight so there is no need for fans to try and attract the attention of the blinker blinded board. It is solely the industry who has to nominate. Some of the inductees I feel are a blatent slap in the face by the HoF.

IMO: Since it is labeled a HoF and that seems to be a benchmark of success to the general public, I think it may get to Meat at times, but overall, I think he gives the proverbial middle finger to the music industry's politics. I think the fans worry about the industry driven prostegious awards more than Meat does.

Anyone can here can create a R&R HoF similar to what Sarge has and no doubt any one here would have him champion there. :mrgreen:

BOOH is one of the biggest selling albums of all time. Bat 2 did really well, and a single from that record went to number 1 in 28 countries. But when you look at parts of Meat's rock career he was was fairly anonymous in the charts in the 80s. In the states especially. Despite BOOH selling millions, and being his biggest success it never went to number 1 sadly. I can see reasons why they haven't inducted him into the hall of fame, but I don't believe it's because they don't like him.
We can all say he should be in, but there must be a reason why he isn't!! Us fans love all his albums, but only two of them were a big success globally to be fair. That might not be the reason but who knows.

Yeah- The Sex Pistols: :mrgreen:

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I think the key word here, is industry; in all fairness, in what industry is politics NOT a factor? I'm not saying it's right, it's just the way it is. How many times have we heard the phrase, "It's not what you know, it's who you know?"

Think of awards such as the Grammys and even the Oscars- there are criticisms associated with those as well. Movie studios "campaign" to get their movies nominated and voted for. Even those stars on the Walk of Fame are basically bought these days.

To quote Bruce Springsteen, (ironically, at the HOF Anniversary, lol) "We all have our own Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, in our hearts". ;)

:twisted: Looks like a bit of a gimmick to me to get a couple of extra inches of ink, which has obviously worked. :shrug:

Besides, you've got to be a bit of a selling out tw@t to go from being an anti establishment punk to a butter salesman.

Long live capitalism eh Mr Lydon? :mrgreen:

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They had sod all to say, they said it very badly, and they didn't believe in what they said in the first place.


Wonder which one will be in the jungle with Ant & Dec next :roll:

I agree with you here. That's a reason why I believe Meat probably doesn't care about it too much. Yet knowing this, why does the general public have an outcry when someone they feel should be entered on merit isn't in the running? :shrug: One could say the industry is straight and feel the artist's resume' doesn't meet their expectations, however Meat's tale of the tape vs. some other artist's that have already been inducted would squash that theory. So people either buy, campaign, sleep, steal, and sell their souls to get in because they wouldn't be able to get in any other way on their own merit.


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It probably says enough about the RNR HOF, if the sex pistols were inducted and the likes of Meat Loaf hasn't been. The sex pistols did 1 studio album, I repeat 1 album. :nuts:

Maybe Meat should do an album on which he insults both the president of the USA and the Queen of the Commonwealth at the same time. Maybe that will help? This could be a complete new direction for Patrick. :))

Yes, that's why I don't care that much about the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. At the end of the day you can compare it to one of those rankings you find in music magazines: The greatest singers, most influential bands, best albums... I once read a "100 best guitar players" list (in Rolling Stone, I think) and I thought "Where the hell is Slash? Where is Rory Gallagher? Where is Jan Akkerman?" I admire them (and many other artists) regardless of whether they appear on such lists or not. It's the same with the R&R HoF. It's the listeners who make someone a rock and roll legend, not being a member of an exlusive club.

How did he help evolve it? and is 'full recognition' just being inducted into the RnRHoF? that seems a bit lame to me :shrug:

Are you saying he didn't help evolve the music industry or you just want my OPINION on how he did so? Lame as it is, outside of the Grammy what other awards are available to an artist in the Rock and Roll genre? OR what do you consider industry 'full recognition'? So I have a better understanding.

They have ask me for items , I have refused. It is the good old boys network. No Alice , no Kiss, no Moody Blues. Lots of people who have had major impact on Rock. When they put Jackson Brown in I said . It is crap . I've played concerts for them . Never again.
If they should ever put me in , I'm like the SEx pistols I would not go. They have asked me and Patti to sing at there show "lost that loving feeling" . I said no. They don't like me I don't like them. About 400 people vote on the final ballot. I think it's 12 people who make the ballot. It was a Bruce Springsteen idea to start it.
M

Thanks for clearing that up Meat ;) !!

Very interesting .. thanks Meat.

Thanks Meat, on to the next!

I'm asking for your opinion on how he evolved the music industry so I can better understand your reasoning.

You said 'full recognition' I don't consider one award in an half-assed Hall Of Fame as 'full recognition'. I don't think Meat needs 'full recognition' at all, having one of the biggest selling albums of all time should be recognition enough. Also don't forget that most of the industry turned down Bat Out Of Hell to begin with, Meat & Jim gave a big 'f*ck you' to them and proved them wrong. You're not really going to get any form of recognition from the very people you made look stupid for not backing you.

I'd much prefer to see Meat get recognition for his acting.

I have won a music award in every country that gives them since 78" You know what , the fact that almost 90% have loved "hang cool" is great.
WE are not through pushing it yet . But new one will be out March 2012. we are going to start to record some in march. Hoping for a big surprise at this Christmas . I'm working on it very hard.

This last summers shows were the best in years and years and I have a great band a great family , pearl and and amanda , my wife Deborah. This crazy family here . What else could you want. Oh don't forget Mad Susan who is ready to set me straight. LOL. There is always someone ready to set me straight.

M

you're gonna do surfs up???

or a banjo solo??

Ooh new album :cheer: !!
Exciting news, thanks for letting us know and I'm sure it'll be just as good if not better than HCTB :cool:. And at the end of the day what's the big deal about the Hall Of Fame anyway :shrug: :lol: !!

no ... a Christmas album of course. "Hang Cool Frosty The Snowman"

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I'm saying the HoF is half assed and the prestige others seem to find in it...is not my view. BUT there are people that believe the HoF is an absolute honor. I don't think that the HoF is full recognition. I think that Meat deserves full recognition and if that includes the HoF then so be it. What I'm not going to do, is be lead into posting my opinion of "why" then you picking it apart to death.

And I would be elated if Meat was recognized for his acting. In lieu of his music....no, I'm greedy, I would prefer to see him recognized for both.

Damn how did you find out I was taking Banjo lessons?
M

Not a Xmas album !!

cause its what the people want, and we know that you know that we know that you know that we want a banjo solo

simples :-)

dont try and hide it you naughty boy or santa will give you coal.. muahhaahahahahahahaaaaa :twisted:

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Awesome I didn't know about those awards or your receipt of them. Oh man all kinds of goodies coming up! And just for the record....suzieq not connected or to be confused with Mad Susan.

amen to that...:D

Maybe hes releasing Hard Rock Live, in The neighborhood, and History of Meat Loaf Live to DVD or gonna climb the empire state building...

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He is. Many people think he was cool in movies like The Rocky Horror Picture Show or Fight Club. The problem is that many of his appearances are mini roles in movies that aren't well-known and you hardly get recognition for appearing in an Uwe Boll flick for about 5 minutes. Pelts is a great movie, for example, but targets a special audience. If he gets a good role in a very successful movie, more people will recognize and appreciate the actor Meat Loaf.

The only reason to go to the RARHFS , would be to do Bat and leave those people with their mouths hanging open because they do not know what I do. Let Patti and the Band Kick their ass. They would have never heard a better band !!
M

I wouldn't pick it apart if it made sense.

Excellent ... thanks for the update Meat :)) I love Christmas surprises !!

And what would we do with you :lol:
Thanks for all the great shows this summer :)) I got to talk to both Pearl and Amanda a little bit ... they're both really great ladies, and I'm sure you're very proud of them.

You wanna REALLY leave them with their jaws open, do california lol

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Funny really but my dad can't stand the music but will talk for bloody hours how underated he is an actor, blew me away how much he knew about his film roles.

:lmao: !!!

That would be a sight to see, I bet they wouldn't know what to do then !

I was thinking exactly the same thing :lmao:

Great to hear about a new album. That's fantastic in fact. :up:. I take it, it will be with Rob Cavallo again?

Wow a new album in the works already. I'm interested in knowing what the suprise is!!! Can we have a hint?

Can't tell you how I know , But I was only about 400 votes short of a best supporting nom. for fight Club. This Close, but a miss is as close as 10,000
miles. I will get the role believe me.
M

quoted for TRUTH!!!!!!!!!

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Only 400 ?! If you had let us know we could of rectified that :twisted: :lol: !!
And we do believe you'll get that role eventually... Just don't know when, hopefully soon :lol:.

LOL BIG TIME !!

Wow .. and I hope you do Meat :-)

That's unlucky Meat. Have you been offered a role in chitty chitty bang bang as baroness bomburst by the way?

Isn't a Baroness female?

see, he's that good an actor... or are we talking a dame in this roll?? :-P

Yes :shock: :lol: !!

I think Steve might mean BARON :lol: !!

lol....I just had a vision of Meat playing the role of Mrs. Doubtfire with these last few posts.

:lmao:

Well playing the baroness could be the biggest challenge in his acting career, and a massive success if he could pull it off. ;-) But sorry I meant Baron. :-)

That's a pity, it would have been great. Fight Club is one of the best movies ever made. I've seen countless movies but that one is my favorite. More of that, please (and less stuff like Bloodrayne ;)).

Meat would have made a great Bond villian, if not the best imo. But not with this serious Daniel Craig approach. More the Pierce Brosnan fun type stuff.

I agree about Fight Club Sarge ... but my favorite is still Crazy in Alabama :))

same. meat was perfect in that. too bad it was overshadowed by Fear and loathing in las vegas :(

Yeah exactly :(

Yes, because playing a bloke with tits is something you see on the big screen all the time :roll:

BRAVO!!!! THAT response.....along with a lot of great music, is why I've been a fan since 1978.

That's one of the things I've always wanted to see. There was a TV ad for the Born To Rock Tour that appeared to be a parody of James Bond movies and Meat looked like Blofeld in it. :cool:

That had always distinguished the Bond movies from average action / spy thrillers: The humor, the crazy villains, the gadgets, the mysterious (sometimes dangerous) ladies and the often unrealistic scenarios. I miss the movies starring Sean Connery, Gert Fröbe, Lotte Lenya, Roger Moore, Richard Kiel, Grace Jones, etc. They were fun. I stopped watching the Bond series after Casino Royale. One of the many reasons why I did was the lack of an interesting, entertaining villain.

Yes, that's a very good movie, too. Interesting mix of drama and black comedy. (Melanie Griffith and the hat box... :twisted:). Meat was brilliant as the violent sheriff. I especially liked the scenes at the court with the great Rod Steiger as the judge.

Wow, never seen that. Sounds interesting.

Sure it's not the first time Meat played a character with tits. Didn't Bob in fight have a big rack on him?? :yep:

Don't doubt it :-) Was surprised you didn't get an award for Focus (I know the film did .. in Canada?) because you gave an incredibly strong yet subtle, layered performance in that.

Caryl

The only Bond movies I really enjoyed were the ones starring Pierce Brosnan :wink:

Exactly. I enjoyed the mix, and thought Meat was brilliant too.
I really liked the court room scenes, but one of my favorites was at the pool when Meat (Sheriff Doggett) pulled the young man off the fence. The first time I watched it, he actually scared the heck out of me :shock:

Yes .. I forgot about Focus :wink:

Another great performance recently was Eddie in House ....
Meat, I thought you deserved an Emmy for that one.

It was shown on MTV or VH1 and featured also a white Persian cat, as far as I remember.

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You wanna REALLY leave them with their jaws open, do california lol


Their jaws may not be able to open wide enough! :lol:

Meat....I hope you're not kidding about having something coming for 2012! I'm one of the "older" members here. I think I can make it to 2012 if you can! LOL

Those are my favourites too but I like a lot of the Roger Moore ones as well. They killed the franchise with the last two movies imo. Just like Sarge said; no humour, no gadgets, no Q, no cheesy chat up lines and the barrel scene was at the end which is like :wtf:.

I could just picture Meat sitting with a big white cat, taking over the world. :cool:

If you are next going to tell me Patti was dressed as a bond girl I'm gonna kill myself for not seeing that. ;-)

well you are not too far off. ive seen it. Im in the process of finding my tape and uploading it.

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I liked the ones with Roger Moore too. I agree with you and Sarge .. they did kill the franchise with the last two movies

:lol: I could picture that too :cool:

:lawl: You don't have to do that, I think there were only Meat and the cat.

i could swear i remember patti too

I just checked my old VHS tapes and found a recording of it. It's an ad of VH-1 Germany, it features Meat as Blofeld, the cat and scenes from the I'd Lie For You video. No Patti, sorry.

P.S.: It even comes along with James Bond music (License To Kill).

FFS, that's what I'm talking about.

Yeah, those lists, including the Rolling Stone one, can be...interesting. One that I saw actually listed Nigel Tufnel. :roll:

Not being a smartass here, but they must not dislike you that much if they have asked you for things and to perform.

From the Rock Hall website:

http://rockhall.com/site/faq/

Artists become eligible for induction 25 years after the release of their first record. Criteria include the influence and significance of the artist’s contribution to the development and perpetuation of rock and roll.

The Foundation’s nominating committee, composed of rock and roll historians, selects nominees each year in the Performer category. Ballots are then sent to an international voting body of about 1,000 rock experts. Those performers who receive the highest number of votes, and more than 50 percent of the vote, are inducted. The Foundation generally inducts five to seven performers each year.


Really? According to the Rock Hall, it was Ahmet Ertegun:

http://rockhall.com/visit-the-museum...-hall-of-fame/

Re Fight Club: I never would have watched that movie if Meat wasn't in it, at first I just wasn't interested, but I watched it and I am glad, because it is a great movie.

Re Bond movies: I always enjoyed the Brosnan era, I still don't mind the Craig era but Brosnan was much better. Meat would have made a great villain.

Re Crazy in Alabama: Love that movie! Great story and has quite a meaning to it also.

I've never looked at the Rock and Roll Hall Of Fame but I was just looking at the list of inductees there and I swear, if I didn't know what it was and ye told me to guess, Rock and Roll Hall Of Fame would almost be the last thing I'd have thought of.

I love Jackson Browne's music with all of my heart, but I dunno if I'd call it Rock and Roll. I'd also put James Taylor along Jacksons route.

It should be called "The Lifetime Achievement Award" instead. We have one awarded to an Irish band every year at the Meteor Awards.

Earth, Wind and Fire got inducted?! :shock: Aren't they more poppy and groove? I'm solely thinking of their "Let's Dance" song here.

CC as a Bond girl!!!! :drool:

Really sorry to hear that Meat, so close, you must have been gutted, and you would have deserved it too. I believe you will get the role too. And that's great news about the new album. Now I have 2 things to look forward to next year, your concerts and the new album.

Carike

I'm not a huge fan of them but it always suprises me to hear that Kiss aren't in there. I would have thought they'd have been one of the first bands inducted into it. Then again they only got round to inducting Genesis last year so god knows what is happening there.

Genesis are nowhere near as good as Phil Collins' solo stuff imo, if anything they have been EXTREMELY inconsistent in the quality of their musical output imo so I personally find that very ironic to hear too but I know many here hate PC so I won't go on about it too much. ;-)