which ablum is better bat or CHSIB
 

hey all this is jus a thought that i have had running through my brain what do you think is better bat out of hell or CHSIB as on TOTP2 it said meat thought CHSIB was his best since bat so i was wondering what u guys an gals thought? i personally like both of them and it is extreamly hard to pick a fave!

Hi,

Thought it was agreed we weren't going to give any thoughts about CHSIB untill June, as we will have had a decent chance to have a proper listen to it????

Heat
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oops cnt have seen that post as i aint had my computer back that long as ive had to get it repaired due to some git sending me a virus. Sorry peeps now i kno will not mention any more bout thoughts sorry!

No prob, - pop into Tyre Tracks & Broken Hearts and have a look there :P


Heat
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I must have missed that conversation too. What is that about, not discussing CHSIB till June? Maybe I'm being obtuse, but I think Meat wants us to discuss the album. I''m not trying to be difficult Heat, just don't understand. At my house I've heard it plenty enough to form an opinion...I think it's GREAT!

As for the purpose of this thread, I think Meat is certainly entitled to share his opinion as far as comparison to BOOH, after all it is his work. And anyone else is free to voice theirs. It's just not how I view music, comparisons are interesting, granted, but I can't compare these 2 albums myself. I love both albums and appreciate them for what they are. As I do the rest of Meat's work. I'm weird, one of my favorite songs is "Amnesty", no one else seems much entranced by that.

I like what Meat does, I'm definitely not an unbiased observer. This occurred to me when I was listening to "Do It". Done by anyone else I probably wouldn't give it a second listen. But since it is Meat I kinda like it, because it is so different for him. Never going to be one of my favs tho, hard to beat Testify, LYOL and I think both covers are superb.

JMHO, hope I didn't offend anyone,

T

CHSIB
 

I've listened to it right through dozens of times, so I think I'm in a position to comment.

Not many people would say that CHSIB is better than BOOH. Neither would I. The comparison issue (Jim/non-Jim) comes up a lot and I am frankly bored with it. I'm sure many people will agree that Jim is the best (or one of the best) songwriters in the world, and that he's in a league all his own. So I think we can put that issue to rest. I think its more useful to compare non-Jim stuff with other non-Jim stuff. But like I said, the comparison issue bores me so I don't do it a lot.

I also thought 'what is this' when I started to read this topic. But at Tyre Tracks we rate songs. That's very hard to do for me always, because it seems to change how I feel about a song, depending on my mood. I was one of the people who asked to wait with this rating for a while. White of High is the person who does all the work there (avarages) and it seemed better not to give 'points' at this time.

But it perfectly allright to talk about these beautiful songs. As a matter of fact, I think we should!

As far as this question 'which one is better' that has never been interesting to me, because I just enjoy both. I am focussed on CHSIB these days, like many of you. I can only say, to me, it's just as impressive and I truly feel, it could do just as great. Maybe not sales-wise, but these are different times.

I think CHSIB could be an album many, many people will still play in 20 years time. So, if I had to answer this original question, I'd say they are on the same level!

Great day to you,

Mariella

Well said Mariella, i totally agree with you.

I cannot say things like 'i like this album better' or 'that album aint as good as...'

You enjoy different songs offf of different albums at different times and in certain moods and feelings.

:P

sorry about the double post, i tried to edit the original and some reason 2 were posted.

Sorry...musta got me wires crossed someplace :oops: :oops: :oops:

I blame it on lack of sleep...that's my excuse and i'm sticking to it :wink:


Heat
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Hi Heat,

Yes, with that 'husband' of yours, I wouldn't get much sleep either :lol:

But I quite understand why you said this, because the question was asked at Tyre Tracks and we did talk about not rating songs there. But now this topic has been 'moved' to General Messages, and here we can talk about it all we want!!

At the moment I am listening to YRIWR, very hard to 'get into' that one.
If this was a song by anyone else I would have stopped weeks ago.
But I do think the voice is great, so I am trying to get from 'good' to 'I love this one'!

Good to have you back!

Mariella

Thanks Mariella :wink:

I, personally am having real problems listening to Do It!!. To be honest, i think it's the worst song on CHSIB. i'm listening to it, and all i can think about is that advert for Huggies Nappies, you know, the one that says 'do it..do it..do it in Huggies' It's doing me head in!!! :evil: :evil: :evil:
I think it's totally wrong for Meat, but that's just my opinion. Like Mariella says, the only reason i'm listening to it, is cos it's a Meat song, but i really dislike it. Maybe it'll grow on me :roll:


Heat
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I hope it will grow on you, Heat. We are both 'trying' and if we can't love it, at least we tried!!

I thought Do It, wasn't a song first time I heard it, just A LOT of noise!
But, after 4(!) days, I found that I took it too serious. This song is FUN/
determination for me. Not a song I play every day, but at certain times I just LOVE it!

Now, could someone please help me with YRIWR??

Maybe we should coninue this at CHSIB where MB has this great topic!

Great day to you,

Mariella

I had got a lot of discussion about this question here. I think everybody know my opinion. In June...

THink CHSIB is way behind Bat.... so it not that good.

This isn't a song rating.

There is just one question. Do You think that CHSIB is better than Bat.

I think absolutely not. I like the songs. But I think other Meat albums are better than this one. There is one song I hate and that is Do It.

I will move this to the CHSIB board, because this isn't a song rating.

which is better
 

i agree with tim
chsib is way behind booh
i think this album has to grow on you
because its so different than the other albums he has done
it took me 15years to get to like the song heaven can wait
there are some good songs on chsib and some that are hard to listen to
maybe when june comes i will like all the songs
until then i will just keep listening

Whatever - i don't want it in the CHSIB forum. This forum's the best place for this topic. Leave it alone, please. 8)

Well I agree with besty here.

Booh is a classic.
CHSIB is new, no compairing them yet

Asha

Ok R., You're the boss. :lol:

I do think personally that comparisons between Bat out of Hell and Couldn't have Said it Better are impossible to quantify.

Take B o o H recorded at what was to become the epitomy of Meat Loaf personified- B o o H is synomous with Meat - its always been a must have in every collection - Steinman and Meat loaf proved that beyond a shadow of a doubt that their collabaration was made in heaven. They always bring their own kind of magic to the songs.

Could Have Said it Better although "different" in texture and feel still satisfies the need of bringing music and lyrics alive to us - I certainly couldn't state one was better than the other precisely because they are two totally different albums -production and music, but the lyrics basically remain the same offering songs that all can relate to sometime in their life but the - B o o H was I believe the epoch of Meat Loafs recording career

Dottie, you managed to be On Topic :wink:
Bat is the best album one ever will get. Better than Bat is impossible.

I dont know about the rest of you but for me anyway, hearing a song live is the way it gets into my heart. I think its impossible to judge the album against one you have had in your life for perhaps 25 years. You know the songs word for word and have several live versions of them. We all know how good meat takes a song in a concert so i think all these CHSIB songs will have a different effect on people when they've heard them live and hopefully a new live cd is released!!??. Already i've heard people talk about tear me down being far better live than on the album, and i agree. lol, Lets wait to hear them live continuosly for 25 years and then come back with an opinion.

Thanks Bart

dottie
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I'm with you on that one Dotster. You can't compare BOOH with CHSIB.They are both superb albums in their own right,but very different ,you can't compare one to the other,it's daft to try.Just enjoy them for what they are!!

Nothing will ever come close to BOOH sorry peeps but thats a fact i don't understand how any one can compear any album to it :(

Pete 8)

I'll agree Bat will be impossible to be topped, it was a defining album, and to me, Bat 2 is too. Where the new one fits in after that is still up in the air with me, i need to give it a bit more time :D

I must admit that Bat is one of my all-time favorite records, but to me Bat II is better. It's the first album I've ever bought, I've listened to it billions of times, and it doesn't have Paradise on it... :twisted:

But I think that better than bat is possible... my 0.02 eurocents

i have heard that statement before from other fans. Which album one prefer is also because of the sentiment. Which one has made you a fan. Which one have you heard first. Bat was my first, bat 2 was yours.

Bat
 

I won't say that topping Bat is impossible, because I don't know what the future will bring. Maybe some people think Bat 2 is better. Maybe some people will Bat 3 will be better. Maybe some day another songwriter will come along that might be better than Jim. Some will say that's impossible, but how do you know the future? How do you know what else is out there that you haven't heard? I don't know every other songwriter or album in the world that exists so I can't really say that it is the best album. But I'm not really interested in making comparisons. I don't find that an interesting topic, so I wouldn't go into that subject anyway, at least not often.

Personally I wouldn't say that Do It is the wrong song for Meat. I would say that we don't really know Meat as well as we could if we didn't expect him to do such a song. I don't think of it in terms of the rhythm or style (almost rap-like), but that it is different (refreshing), and a good message...DO IT!!! Listening to him performing that song reminds me of him doing the last minute of All Revved Up in Storytellers. It shows that classic, virtually limitless Meat Loaf energy.

I don't think they can be compared. To some degree its almost an evolution. Probably the first song you hear will be be the one that sticks with you and for me it will always be BooH as a single and album. BooH itself has just gotta be the best intrumental intro of all time :mrgreen:

i agree about the intro, its fantastic!

Took the words was the first song i heard walked in to my mates bed room when he was playing the album i was hooked imeadeately

Pete 8)

do it
 

some of you just don't get it!!!! it is very funny and it's only 2 min and something long, and the way it was recorded will one day make history.
the song is very much me much more than something like unsaid, yriww one of the best vocals i've ever recorded. just listen to the vocal.

ml

Meat
 

Will you be performing it on the world tour?

Coulndn't have said it better, Fire Ball.... it is indeed very funny!!!!

Well, when I first heard CHSIB (the album) from start too end, I was all like "is this the album I've been waiting for, for the past 3 years?" The songs just didn't grab me, with one exception (sp?): Do It!
This song stood out, just because it's different from what Meat has done... and indeed, it's very tongue-in-cheek (at least, that's what I think). Personally, I would be rather disappointed if CHSIB was exactly like Bat, or Dead Ringer, or Bad Attitude, or all the others. It's different! If I want another record that sounds just like Bat, I'll listen to Bat some more. Change is good. And artists need to grow and expand their style. Otherwise you'll end up with a bunch of albums which all sound alike. Dutchies will know what I mean when I say: Frans Bauer. (For all none Dutchies here: AC/DC is accused of releasing the same album every year or two, cause they all sound the same. Well, Frans Bauer releases each year the same album with 12 times the same song)

Well, my 2 eurocents on this matter.

Please tell me more... let's make history today!

In my book, Bat 2 wins the award for best packaging, Dead ringer, chsib, I'd Lie for You, BOOH, Anything For love, paradise, testify, nothing sacred, why isnt that enough :lol: - best song!! (God, I should be on the telly), BOOH

'nuff said

Regards,
Danny

Yeah, you guessed it - i'm fond of the duets

Re: do it
 

Just curious now. Anyone know why the way "Do It!" was recorded will someday make history?

:D Hey Diane perhaps Fire Ball could tell us??

Feleena x

Yes, I would also like to know how Do It was recorded, but I am sure one day Meat will tell us all about that!

I have been listening to YRIWW this morning, LOVE the vocals, maybe I just think the other songs on the album are SO great, compared to them I feel this is just a litlle 'less great'. But I am working on it. Thank you!!

Great day to you,

Mariella :bunny:

I never understand the need or desire to try to compare Meat's albums and decide which is "best" .. each for me is a beautiful album .. I am buying a work from a man who is driven by a desire to constantly improve .. so I expect to hear that .. and I do, simple as that.

Some songs may edge forward a little at times because the words call to me in a specific way ..but if you ask me what is my favourite I inevitably find myself thinking .. the one I'm listening to! And with the current album every single track seems perfect .. and each acts as counterpoint to the others .. there is variety yet harmony, a perfect balance .. nothing disappoints from the frenetic energy of Do It, to the vocals on You're Right (how anyone can dismiss that as over simple is beyond me) to the sheer brilliance of Man of Steel to Because of You, which captures that incredible feeling of being consumed by falling in love, to the WOW of CHSIB, to the evocative Did I Say That etc etc. I just wish the album could have included the deliciously Decadent Wish as well :))

For me each album and each song are like carefully crafted works of art .. like a piece of blown glass or furniture. Impossible to say whether I like the vase better than the dish, or the chest of drawers better than the table .. each was made by a craftsman, each is a perfect delight to behold .. Meat is a craftsman and each is a perfect delight to hear :))

Totally agree with CarylB -

But I must say with CHSIB I love each and every track. As it is with BOOH. It's along time since I have bought an album where I have been able to say that.

I think Fire Ball meant the vocals on Do it! are great, not YRIWW :mrgreen:

Dear Baldy,

You could be right about that. Yes, thank you!

Still feel YRIWW is good but not AS good as the rest of the songs.

Great day to you,

Mariella

Yes you are right. I think Fire Ball just said the same thing :mrgreen:
I still think that he put it on the record to do Warren a favour.

Re: do it
 

I always liked "Do It!" since i first heard it. There is absolutely nothing wrong with this song. The solo equal to "Because Of You" 's in amazing outstanding way. It is indeed funny, but near the first, where you say "Stake Your fakin' put your reputation to it! Dot it, Do It, Just Do It" I so really agree with that line. now as for "YRIWW", it took me a bit more to understand, it is a great piece, and I'm liking it more and more everytime I hear it. It is my least liked song on the record, but its still awesome. quickly turning from and an 8, to a 9\10. see what i mean? :lol:

opinions are opinions, and we all have one. there is only one kind of bad opinion. the opinion you make up to please someone. if its not your TRUE opinion, that is a bad opinion. opinions can also change, that doesn't make it a bad opinion. i always base my opinions to myself, and they often change, but that's the way things go, am i right?

This is the most intelligent thing I've ever heard. Thank you !

Good Lord Ryan .. thank you :)

No, thank YOU. You're Meat Loaf's Jacqueline Dillon and I totally respect your wisdom - except the animated Meat Loaf's. Sorry, but we all have weaknesses and they scare me. That's the only problem. You really are tremendous - with all of us

Hey guys,
In all honesty(spelling??) I dont think we can compare BOOH to CHSIB fully as N.M.W the music is great. Yet I do feel that sofar out of the Meat Loaf albums i have heard Bat is tops. However the ballads on CHSIB are beautiful.
I think that the only time for me not to listen to chsib but bat is when your sad.
hugs
leeann

for all thoses who are asking if Bat is better than CHSIB or vice versa, that is completely ridiculous, because for one good Reason;
The albums are completely different from each other.

Bat is more of a movie without the pictures a movie about rebellistic teenagers with a begin middle and ending

CHSIB is more an ordinary ROck and roll or mainstream album, such as the old Bryan adams, Van halen and Def leppard.

like we in Holland say ':)' "You can't compare apples with Pears"

I have to confess something and I ain't afraid to say it.

"Couldn't Have Said It Better" imo, is the best record ever made. There's definetly close follow ups, ie, BOOH, WTTN, Bat2, WWBIAF, but this one is now MY official favourite. I got this CD September 27, 2003, when it first came out to Canada. A story that turned out to be disapointing that turned into the best moment in my life, when the man went back to the Computer to check if the CD was in stock. And it was, I bought it, left my 10 dollar change behind :oops: and I missed my bus, so I ran home and then I found out how my cat would have to been put down.

Well the story ends where it just so happens that my cat doesn't have to put down, I am home, and the first thing I did was place the CD in the stereo. I may not have my change, but I don't care, because that record made me completely forgot about it. This record is now the best one I've ever heard. Thank you Meat for making this piece, and its still and always will be (like BooH) a part of my life for many moments to come. Even when I die.

its been way over a year, and I still feel the same :P

the only thing that varies, i can't help but love DR & CHSIB the same now :? CHSIB, just a tad bit more, but why must things be so difficult, LOL :wink:

In all honesty I bet almost everyone in this forum will note that CHSIB some how affected their lives, and could affect others, if they would just play it on the radios more! Perhaps, if these stations played other songs on this album, cuz apparently some people aren't like these insane wicked-cool songs, ie, CHSIB, DIST, MOS. <-----outstanding tracks, and yet no feedback. :roll: mindboggleing

How can you compare BOOH with CHSIB, they are in different leagues, neither one is better. BOOH is an album nearly everyone has hidden in their album collections somewhere, CHSIB is just a brill album which is really for all Meat fans and the younger generation who want the up beat feel.

Both of them are good albums, non meat fans would say BOOH is the better one believe me I have two here saying they would rather listen to BOOH. Although a couple of my friends who say they can't stand Meat, really like Meat, I played Do It for them and didn't tell them who it was and they were saying they want the single. :D

Piture it like this....

There's two HUGE mountains exactly the same shape and size....and they just tower above any other mountain.......

One mountain represents BOOH and the other one represents CHSIB.
Both as strong and huge, but yet they are individual and unique!!!

Thats how i see them!! :D

*ahem*

First of all, I am one of those irritating music nerds who feels perfectly comfortable comparing tow 'different' pieces of work. The Teletubbies single and The Beatles 'Love Me Do' are both incredibly different. Which one's better?

As for Bat Out Of Hell being the best album ever. It's quite probably not. Nor is CHIB.
Bat Out Of Hell is a fantastically cohenrent piece of music with a unifying theme. As is BAT II, whcih I happen to prefer.

CHSIB is (please don't kill me) just plain old rock by numbers. I don't feel anything going on apart from the vocals. Those vocals are the only thing breathing life into that record.

But erm, apples and oranges I guess.

I'm not sure if it's just me who feels this, but when I first heard CHSIB, I was amazed (in a good way) that Meat hadn't taken the route of say...Tom Jones and attempted to make his song like all the modern stuff today....If that makes sense lol. I think it's great that CHSIB still sounded like a classic Meat Loaf song and not like something you expect to hear a modern Rock group sing!

ah, yes, nice comment, Meat never lets his fans down :wink:

I have to totally agree with you!!!

However, one could argue that he's boxing himself into one particular genre. If he branched out into different styles perhaps he'd spice things up a little, instead of his new work growing stale. My $0.02.

bat is better , simply becuse its the best album ever made!

It's lovely to see people getting so excited talking about Meat's music. I thought CHSIB was fab and I can't really compare it to Bat out of Hell as I've grown up with Bat all my life, therefore it's just a completely different story. I think CHSIB was a fantastic attempt and certainly the title track and Did I say that I think are amongst Meat's best songs along with the 7 gems from Bat. I think a new Steinman song on the CHSIB album would have made it excellent, but let's hope we get some more goodies soon.

"They can't stop making music as they're making too much money" That's what my dad said ten years ago and I never would have thought Meat would still be going strong in 2004.

What saddens me is the truth in this statement.

I can´t compare two wonderful album together. It´s difficult. Both are wonderful.

Bat definitely. CHSIB is a terrific album, and I like everything on it, but BOOH is classic.