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Thanks David for acting on my concerns about this thread. I felt strongly that the forum would not want to be seen as endorsing or advertising this in any way.
Did I miss something here???? Or did that idiot post here too?
No Wez, I would not say so. Someone noticed and asked if it was legal to offer such a tape for sale, not in any kind of approving way, but the url was included and I felt this was not probably a sound idea. There was no suggestion that we should bid on it, but it did draw attention to something which would rightly upset Meat and would provide a straight path to any unscrupulous visitor who saw it.
Mouse doesn't have authority to remove posts and suggested I wrote to R, SueW or David, although I thought Sue would be nailed in front of the stage at Wembley tonight :) David kindly obliged, and removed not only the link but also the short thread which was for the best imo.
The Flying Mouse
23 Jan 2004, 07:57
Mouse doesn't have authority to remove posts
:twisted: Not in General Messages anyway :wink: .
Indeed .. and that saves me having to edit my post :)
Pudding
23 Jan 2004, 08:33
Well I'm all confused about what went on :nuts:
Pud 8O
Well, I am here to put my foot down and say that I will PERSONALLY remove any threads about bootlegs that I see in the GENERAL topic of this forum.
ROCK ON GOOD TIMES!!!
Don't delete them, just move them (you know where to where).
Now I'm confused! Particularly if the "where to" is the dreaded Fight Club.
This started with someone questioning the legality of a bootleg being offered for sale, but as the post included a link to it I wrote to Mouse who was around, suggesting that the link should perhaps be removed lest the forum were seen to be endorsing it by providing a swift route straight there. Mouse points out that I need to speak to David, SueW or R. I write to David, pretty confident that SueW will be en route to Wembley and quite possibly R also. David takes quick action. I thank him.
Wez wonders whether this was started by the bootlegger who advertised their sale ln several threads on the OIFC boards. I explained that I thought not; this was just an innocent query from a member here. Pud is puzzled because the thread that is left doesn't really give a clear idea of what went on, but David imo made a wise decision to remove what had been said as it would still have directed people to the sale (one which has been reported to Meat, who has read the pm, and his management, and which I hope will be be stopped.)
No arguments, no fights, no harsh words; just Meat supporters being concerned and taking responsible actions to protect his interests as best they can imo.
Changing Topic.
DavidMD, you are now 666 :twisted: :evil: :twisted: :devil:
Doesn't we all have some bootlegs or aren't we all interested in bootlegs? Is this not kinda hypocrite? Os do I say silly things? :roll: :??:
You're not being silly to ask Bart. But this was an illegally obtained recording and a serious breach of the law.
A lot of bands and a lot of fans like bootlegs, Im not saying Meat does for one sec. But Lots have been known to tell the fans to turn their tapes on at shows, So I wouldnt say it was such a bad thing, just depends who's view you're looking at. To a lot of fans, the shows live on through bootlegs. Paying for them is different.
Just my opinion :D
PS : theres a lot of things in this world that are illegal and I'm sure most have us have done them at some time or other :) Life would be pretty boring otherwise
PPS lol... In fact most of our pix that everyone enjoys technically shouldnt be allowed, all tickets and venues usually say no cameras, but it doesnt stop us all sneaking them in
I take all your points .. but I think to secretly record a concert and offer it to the highest bidder crosses the line .. particularly as Meat and the band go to a great deal of trouble to get the sound right, and a home bootleg is likely to fall far short of their exacting and professional mark.
I'll stick to the concert living on in my memory :) .. and look forward to a professionally produced DVD from Oz :))
Now I'm confused! Particularly if the "where to" is the dreaded Fight Club.
Caryl, calm down and do not worry so much. I was doing my mod duties while at work and did not whereto this thread to the proper place, because I must mod when the boss is not around (LOL~!!!).
There is a time and a place for everything, and the whereto should most likely be left up to the mods on the board to decide.
I think that I have a pretty good idea of whereto these threads and as a mod, you can sleep well at night knowing I will whereto them to the whereto with haste.
ROCK ON GOOD TIMES!!!
I'm perfectly calm David .. wherever did you get the idea I wasn't? I was just responding to R's post on the thread. It was posted on the forum, and I read replies on a thread I am posting on. The "where to" was confusing, as the only likely place apparent to those of us who are not Moderators seemed to be Fight Club.
But I can be calm despite being unclear as to what is being referred to .. :) So I assume "where to" is a place where items can be removed from public gaze and discussion without deleting them so a record is still held.
I take all your points .. but I think to secretly record a concert and offer it to the highest bidder crosses the line .. particularly as Meat and the band go to a great deal of trouble to get the sound right, and a home bootleg is likely to fall far short of their exacting and professional mark.
I'll stick to the concert living on in my memory :) .. and look forward to a professionally produced DVD from Oz :))
yeah I don't agree with selling them for profit, but even cds and postage cost money.
Well my memory with 5 kids and one on the way isnt up to what it was, especially when i've seen 14 shows this tour and 3 more to go. So a bootleg or 2 would certainly help me remember all them special moments :D
used for the right reasons, I think they arent a bad thing. But I would also prefer the real thing, although most bands usual dont show the whole thing
Deb
ChrisBelfast
23 Jan 2004, 17:21
Meat keeps posting how he has all the audio tapes from each show...with making people pay for meatloaf.net why doesnt he put some of these up as mp3s on the new site - that would give people a motive to pay. Live webcasts from Australia would be cool too. Just ideas but i really think meat would make a fortune by uploading his audio tapes - even just a couple of tracks - so we can download them of him!
I'm perfectly calm David ...
Then why did you hop on here and question the judgement of the forum administrator?
R notified me of whereto this type of thread and I understood. This is not something that required any type of response from anyone other than myself.
I took your input as questioning the competency of R in this matter. Sometimes whereto is on a need to know basis. If whereto this type of thread (according to R) is Fight Club then so be it, if it is to be moved somewhere else so be that as well.
R is a very reliable administrator for these forums and I fully trust his judgement in all matters - more often than I trust my own.
I will not justify this matter with any further conversation, other than to say that at present, R is the absolute best and most fair forum administrator in the Meat Loaf Online Community and I shall never act without his explicit direction in the future.
'Nuff Said!
ROCK ON GOOD TIMES!!!
I took your input as questioning the competency of R in this matter.
I wouldn't dream of questioning Rainer's competency. Just asking a question in response to a public post which I was trying to make sense of.
Still calm :)
I fully support any action taken against people trying to peddle bootlegs on an official site. They have a brass neck to even attempt it. As if we're going to disrespect the man we love by buying dodgy copies of his gigs on his own site.
Eloquently put Chaos .. from my thoughts to your fingers :) Although I'd say again that the thread started here innocently, but I know you post on he OIFC board where the bootlegger had posted again and again, and from whence it was taken smartly down. As you say, it's one helluva cheek to peddle illicit tapes on Meat's own site. Somewhat like a fence putting notices about dodgy gear on a police station noticeboard .. impertinent and rather daft!!
although I thought Sue would be nailed in front of the stage at Wembley tonight :)
I had no idea last weekend I had upset Meat Loaf so much for him to do that to me!!!!
I had no idea last weekend I had upset Meat Loaf so much for him to do that to me!!!!
:lmao: I have every confidence that Kasim would leap gallantly from the stage before it got to that Sue :)
Pudding
24 Jan 2004, 07:15
Well I'm still confused about what's happening but from what I've read my personal view is: if someone's got a bootleg and is willing to share or trade then fair enough but if someone is trying to flog a bootleg then they should burn in hell!
However I think that if the artist (i.e.Meat Loaf in this case) did do more in getting demo's, live recording cd's, dvd's, videos etc etc etc out to the fans then bootlegs wouldn't become such a problem.
On a personal note if someone does have anything to trade then email me :wink:
Pud 8O
However I think that if the artist (i.e.Meat Loaf in this case) did do more in getting demo's, live recording cd's, dvd's, videos etc etc etc out to the fans then bootlegs wouldn't become such a problem.
Do many artists personally arrange, record, manufacture and distribute videos/dvds of live concerts? Because I would have thought this would normally be done by whichever recording company they are contracted to. And I suspect it's here the problem lies. Virgin put out a video of Bat2 which included live performances, but sadly Meat doesn't seem to generate wildly enthusiastic support from record companies now.
Meat was he says the first artist to push the idea of promotional videos, so I doubt it is anything to do with a lack of enthusiasm on his part. But he's also pointed out recently that record companies are reluctant to spend the considerable amounts of money involved in making promotional videos without a pretty cast iron assurance of masses of playtime, and that his music doesn't get that. I'm guessing they would want similar assurances of sales to meet the costs of production and distribution plus a good profit for themselves before they would put out live concert videos. I would buy one in a heartbeat, so would many here. But would some want copies rather than buy themselves? And how many are we? How many would sell?
At least someone's having a punt with the Oz concert. Interesting to see how well that sells worldwide .. perhaps a good result might lead to interest in putting out a Bat3 dvd? But I would have thought we should lay the whole issue of releasing live concert dvds at the door of the record companies and not the artist. Doubtless a live concert dvd of the teen idol of the moment will rake in the dough .. but whilst they're enjoying their year or two of fame their CD releases sadly will outsell Meat, and so I would guess would their concert videos/dvds. I suspect the same would be so of live concert recordings. Ultimately the record companies are interested in making significant profit. I really don't think this is down to Meat who adores movie making and pioneered music videos. On the other hand, whilst he's flogging his gollies off delivering a world tour I suspect he doesn't have the time, even if he had the inclination, to try to manage such a venture himself! :)
Pudding
24 Jan 2004, 13:07
Do many artists personally arrange, record, manufacture and distribute videos/dvds of live concerts?
No they don't and I never mentioned Personally but I don't think it's beyond an artist not to turn round to their record company and say "Hey why don't we do a live recording of a show or put some demo's, acoustic versions etc or whatever to CD and if we can't sell them mainstream we could do it through the Official Fan Club"
Meat Loaf visits here regularly does he not?, so he should know that he could sell at least a few hundred copies of whatever and I've been told that most of his shows have been sold out so that would turn into a few thousand easily. That in itself would cover costs and at the very least, THE very least he'd (or whoever) would break even and the fans would get more Meat.
Who here has a CD-Writer? and who here has a DVD-Writer? and how cheap could a copy of whatever be made?. I'm not talking about a 1st class printed booklet with stories and lyrics, I'm just talking about a simple bogstandard disc that could quite easily be done on anyones computer at the very least.
I mean who wouldn't like to see : Surf's Up, Nowhere's Fast, Modern Girl, I'd Lie For You, Not a Dry Eye In the House and any other video he's done that's not available be put to disc of some sort? Hell I'd cut off a nut to see them.
Pud:o]
The guy who invented Internet Cafes should be shot (j/k).
Sorry, if I caused confusion, but what I meant is that I do not want threads to be deleted.
We have an invisible forum called Trashcan. That's where I want these kind of threads moved to.
That's all.
A Slice Of English
24 Jan 2004, 13:38
Personally, I'm hoping Meat releases a Farewell Tour live cd at some point. I would probably cream myself if he did, but hey.
Shawmtloaf
24 Jan 2004, 14:23
Maybe people wouldnt feel such a need to dabble with bootlegs if fans werent so deprived of official live Meat recordings... Given the number of shows that Meat has done over the years, the official release numbers are depressing... i say ROCK ON the LIVE DVD / CD from the Australian show!!
Take care,
Ewan :)
Fire Ball
24 Jan 2004, 15:55
we are we going to put out 20 live board tapres from the shows in the UK as soon as April, one from every city so that people can hear the show from the city the attented, and People like that woman in Glassgow can hear I wasn't out of pitch all night and and not out of time.. I figured her out thought. she sings along with the record and if I'm not singing just like the record I'm out of time. I f I did the record over it wouldn't be the same. I never sing the song the same wasy twice. she needs to get out more. Or else she is a Stefford wife.
we are we going to put out 20 live board tapres from the shows in the UK as soon as April.
Amazing move Meat Loaf! Your shows this tour are amazing, and the band line up is near perfect! Cannot wait until these are released!
ROCK ON GOOD TIMES!!!
madonna123968848
24 Jan 2004, 16:02
:D Excellent news re tapes, would be soo cool to see the 22nd at Wembley again!!!
we are we going to put out 20 live board tapres from the shows in the UK as soon as April, one from every city so that people can hear the show from the city the attented, and People like that woman in Glassgow can hear I wasn't out of pitch all night and and not out of time.. I figured her out thought. she sings along with the record and if I'm not singing just like the record I'm out of time. I f I did the record over it wouldn't be the same. I never sing the song the same wasy twice. she needs to get out more. Or else she is a Stefford wife.
That sounds fabulous, Meat - can't wait!!!
And as for that woman in Scotland - she soo needs her head examined!!! I admire the way you completely make your songs your own - it'd be so boring for all of us, you too, if you sang your songs exactly the same way every single time.
Thank you Meat .. thanks for listening .. and for responding .. (and all this while flogging your gollies off too!) .. you'll know you have made many people very happy bunnies today :)
She may be a Stepford wife .. or perhaps from Village of the Damned? Those with ears and sense to appreciate what you do will always be thrilled that every show is fresh, creative and has something we haven't heard or seen ..
There's always something magic, there's always something new! ..
Perhaps she should listen to the words rather than the timing on the CD?
Time to trounce that toe-rag with the bootleg tape now? :wink:
We have an invisible forum called Trashcan. That's where I want these kind of threads moved to.
That's all.
X-actly!
MLFAN17
24 Jan 2004, 18:46
Meat keeps posting how he has all the audio tapes from each show...with making people pay for meatloaf.net why doesnt he put some of these up as mp3s on the new site - that would give people a motive to pay. Live webcasts from Australia would be cool too. Just ideas but i really think meat would make a fortune by uploading his audio tapes - even just a couple of tracks - so we can download them of him!
Why would Meat want to make money off of his own live recordings?? He doesnt need the money. Bootleg copeis are illegal. I have a few imports myself which I loved! I dont know if they are considered bootlegs or not but they were sold in stores legally to my knowledge. I thought that taking recording devices into concerts was illegal anyway?? I am sure that a lot of people have gotten past security with those kinds of things but still... I dont even think in most places wether US soil or overseas you are allowed to have cameras to take pcitures are you?/
MLFAN17
24 Jan 2004, 18:53
we are we going to put out 20 live board tapres from the shows in the UK as soon as April, one from every city so that people can hear the show from the city the attented, and People like that woman in Glassgow can hear I wasn't out of pitch all night and and not out of time.. I figured her out thought. she sings along with the record and if I'm not singing just like the record I'm out of time. I f I did the record over it wouldn't be the same. I never sing the song the same wasy twice. she needs to get out more. Or else she is a Stefford wife.
Will these be available to the US as well or only at shows in Europe? I had heard you didnt sound very good at Wolf Trap in Virginia back in Sept? I also had heard you fell of the stage. if I am not mistaken they arent exactly the biggest stages at that particular location las I havent been there in a while lol. Is it really true talent if any artist did it the same way live as they were recorded? Man of Steel for example I have not heard it live BUT without Pearl it couldnt possibly be the same. Just like with the song Testify you dont have the same type of background vocals touring with you as you do on the album recording.. etc etc. DUH right?
Sorry, if I caused confusion, but what I meant is that I do not want threads to be deleted.
We have an invisible forum called Trashcan. That's where I want these kind of threads moved to.
No problem R. And thank you for a clear explanation. Not deleting threads such as that makes perfect sense :)
we are we going to put out 20 live board tapres from the shows in the UK as soon as April, one from every city so that people can hear the show from the city the attented, and People like that woman in Glassgow can hear I wasn't out of pitch all night and and not out of time.. I figured her out thought. she sings along with the record and if I'm not singing just like the record I'm out of time. I f I did the record over it wouldn't be the same. I never sing the song the same wasy twice. she needs to get out more. Or else she is a Stefford wife.
Really great news! - keep us posted as to where we can get them!
-Kathy (yes Caryl, I'm a "happy bunny" :) )
Shawmtloaf
24 Jan 2004, 20:12
Re: tapes from uk shows
Oh my lord, Meat!! Having all those recorded shows to look forward to has filled me with sooooo much happiness!! Thank you (yet again) for all the smiles!! (Big hugs for Meat Loaf!) THANK YOU!! But how on earth do you get these recordings into the record stores when your record company seemed to have little erm... motivation when it came to getting your ONE studio album / single into the stores? Maybe take x1 record company monkeys ass - remove his or her finger + insert x1 large rocket style firework?
Im not ass crawling, but what i hear from this tour is simply awesome... Meats voice, the band... everything sounds and feels like it is going much, much further than it ever has before. After hearing Bat, Anything For Love and even CHSIB from the live bonus disk from the Australian album - they make the studio recordings sound like they are lacking and restrained. All i ever listen to these days are the live versions from the CHSIB tour.
Take care
Ewan :)
Thank you Meat .. thanks for listening .. and for responding .. (and all this while flogging your gollies off too!) .. you'll know you have made many people very happy bunnies today :)
She may be a Stepford wife .. or perhaps from Village of the Damned? Those with ears and sense to appreciate what you do will always be thrilled that every show is fresh, creative and has something we haven't heard or seen ..
There's always something magic, there's always something new! ..
Perhaps she should listen to the words rather than the timing on the CD?
Time to trounce that toe-rag with the bootleg tape now? :wink:
I Couldn't Have Said That Better Myself Caryl :)) :))
Vicki
we are we going to put out 20 live board tapres from the shows in the UK as soon as April, one from every city so that people can hear the show from the city the attented, and People like that woman in Glassgow can hear I wasn't out of pitch all night and and not out of time.. I figured her out thought. she sings along with the record and if I'm not singing just like the record I'm out of time. I f I did the record over it wouldn't be the same. I never sing the song the same wasy twice. she needs to get out more. Or else she is a Stefford wife.
That sounds fabulous, Meat - can't wait!!!
And as for that woman in Scotland - she soo needs her head examined!!!
Aye, and she even had the cheek to claim she's been a Meat fan since the 70s. If this really was the case, she'd be well experienced on the fact that Meat doesn't sing the same way twice.
shadow1000001
25 Jan 2004, 01:40
[quote="Fire Ball"] I never sing the song the same wasy twice. quote]
It wouldn't be any fun for us if you did :wink:
Maria
I wonder how these will be distributed? Through normal retail outlets? .. Or perhaps via fan club on internet? Will Meat's new website be open by April? I seem to recall reading that Turnstyle, who will be running his new fanclub on the web offer this kind of service .. and it would open availability up internationally without the need for expensive distribution in normal retail outlets.
And I've just heard from eBay that they have removed the illicit recording of the Newcastle concert. From the still used in the listing it looks like the person who recorded it wasn't even in the front row! eBay are sometimes painfully slow to act on this kind of thing, but this time they got their cyber bum in gear :)
black dog
25 Jan 2004, 08:48
we are we going to put out 20 live board tapres from the shows in the UK as soon as April, one from every city so that people can hear the show from the city the attented, and People like that woman in Glassgow can hear I wasn't out of pitch all night and and not out of time.. I figured her out thought. she sings along with the record and if I'm not singing just like the record I'm out of time. I f I did the record over it wouldn't be the same. I never sing the song the same wasy twice. she needs to get out more. Or else she is a Stefford wife.
I can't wait. To hear Cardiff again would be so cool. It would be a reminder of a wonderful evening.
Keep Rocking
25 Jan 2004, 10:59
I wonder how these will be distributed? Through normal retail outlets? .. Or perhaps via fan club on internet? Will Meat's new website be open by April? I seem to recall reading that Turnstyle, who will be running his new fanclub on the web offer this kind of service .. and it would open availability up internationally without the need for expensive distribution in normal retail outlets.
I think they will be sold through the fanclub. I can't wait! And then the live DVD as well-Great year!!!
PanicLord
25 Jan 2004, 11:24
Fire Ball wrote:
we are we going to put out 20 live board tapres from the shows in the UK as soon as April, one from every city so that people can hear the show from the city the attented, and People like that woman in Glassgow can hear I wasn't out of pitch all night and and not out of time.. I figured her out thought. she sings along with the record and if I'm not singing just like the record I'm out of time. I f I did the record over it wouldn't be the same. I never sing the song the same wasy twice. she needs to get out more. Or else she is a Stefford wife.
WAHEY!
This is the best news I have had all year - firstly, that Meat is back "on board" if you see what I mean, secondly that I have been PRAYING for more live recordings for years, thirdly Meat must have seen all the support for him from this board.
I'm sure I saw a mention of a DVD in this thread somewhere, but I can't find it now. If it's true, I might just cry :( from JOY! :lol:
ROCK ON FIREBALL!
Oh, theres that thread about the DVD (next one!) :oops: :lol:
Great news - where did you hear about it?
rockfenris2005
25 Jan 2004, 11:38
Sell it publicly, Meat. Like "Live Around the World". It's not fair for just the privileged few to get these cds, just like it's not fair for MLOIFC to get first pick on this and that. It's not fair. At least the Steinfans are equal, and not laid out in ranks - first class, second class, all that nonsense. Please release it publicly.
The DVD is the one which it has been announced will be released of Meat's concert with the MSO in Melbourne next month (next moth for the oncert that is :lol: )
The thread's on:
http://www.mlukfc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3098&start=0
White of High
25 Jan 2004, 11:42
we are we going to put out 20 live board tapres from the shows in the UK as soon as April, one from every city so that people can hear the show from the city the attented, and People like that woman in Glassgow can hear I wasn't out of pitch all night and and not out of time.. I figured her out thought. she sings along with the record and if I'm not singing just like the record I'm out of time. I f I did the record over it wouldn't be the same. I never sing the song the same wasy twice. she needs to get out more. Or else she is a Stefford wife.
Will be it released in Hungary???
PanicLord
25 Jan 2004, 11:43
WOOHOO! :lol: :lol: :lol:
Thanks CarylB - have you been having a wee dram? Or are some of your fingers missing? :lol: :lol: 8)
rockfenris2005
25 Jan 2004, 12:11
Let's pray you get it White Of High. I totally denounce fans getting special privileges. Everyone should be treated equal. I hope you get it. Actually, I'm praying on my life you will. And peoples, don't talk over me
We won't talk over you if you don't talk tosh .. but presume it's OK to respond?
The only reason I asked if these would be sold through a fanclub website is that I have no idea what the distribution costs to sell 20 CDs (given each show is on one .. I don't know if that is the case) through normal retail outlets worldwide, but imagine it would be prohibitive and certainly discourage recording companies unless they anticipated huge sales.
Releasing them for sale just in the UK could be viewed as being limited, unless for eg Amazon and HMV took them on board. But people wpuld no doubt get friends to purchase on their behalf, just as they would ig they were sold through a fansite.
I was just asking the question, so try not to get sniffy Ryan. Let's see what the answer is, but my guess is that the economics will have to be taken into account. Let's just be glad they WILL be made available, and any way Meat decides, rather than start finding a problem :)
hawkmoonnl
25 Jan 2004, 14:17
Is it April already? :D There are a few options the way those cd's can be sold. A little extra information. A few bands already release their shows on cd: Duran Duran, The Who, Pearl Jam. In record shops here in The Netherlands i've seen several copies of shows from Pearl Jam. Though never seen Duran Duran and The Who in store. So that's one option, to distribute it to record stores. Another option is to buy them online. From the three artists mentioned above you can order them at: http://www.themusic.com The price of a single show is app. $25 There is also a possibility to buy a collector box including all shows. You better start saving some money... :wink: And last but not least Meat Loaf could choose to sell them at his own site. Don't think he will though, cause he l probably wants to reach a large audience and not everybody is aware of his site.
PanicLord
25 Jan 2004, 14:23
Meat said: "we are we going to put out 20 live board tapes from the shows in the UK as soon as April, one from every city so that people can hear the show from the city the attented."
I would guess that these would mostly through the new official Meat Loaf website, although that is PURELY a guess. This is because I can't see most shops or websites being interested in holding huge amounts of similar CDs. Having said that, all the music stores round my way have a decent stock of Meaty albums at the moment, especially Live Around The World. Perhaps a compilation of all the best versions of each song might do well commercially.
But anyway, I don't think that doing it through his official site would be unfair - I've not heard anything (from the newsletter that I signed up to) about having to pay for ALL access to the site, so I would imagine that it is only premium content you would have to pay for. Any CDs etc would surely be sold on the free access bit, otherwise you are limiting your potential audience.
How can you talk over someone on a website anyway? :lol:
Anyway, I can't wait for the CDs to be released - Meat's voice is fantastic and the band really rocks. It would be nice to have some of Kasim's opening songs on it too.
Anyway, I can't wait for the CDs to be released - Meat's voice is fantastic and the band really rocks. It would be nice to have some of Kasim's opening songs on it too.
Kasim is planning to record his forthcoming solo gig on Staten Island on 7th February for a DVD / CD so you will be able to get hold of a copy of his live music.
Sue
http://www.KasimInfo.com
PanicLord
25 Jan 2004, 15:13
Great news, thanks Sue!
TRex said:
This is because I can't see most shops or websites being interested in holding huge amounts of similar CDs.
Nor can I really, even for one of the flavour of the year bands for kids. And unless Meat wants to get into the distribution business, you'd need a recording company to take this on anyway.
Having said that, all the music stores round my way have a decent stock of Meaty albums at the moment, especially Live Around The World. Perhaps a compilation of all the best versions of each song might do well commercially.
Yes, and of course that could have reference to the fansite in the notes :)
Lemon Girl
25 Jan 2004, 15:52
Is it April already? :D There are a few options the way those cd's can be sold. A little extra information. A few bands already release their shows on cd: Duran Duran, The Who, Pearl Jam. In record shops here in The Netherlands i've seen several copies of shows from Pearl Jam. Though never seen Duran Duran and The Who in store. So that's one option, to distribute it to record stores. Another option is to buy them online. From the three artists mentioned above you can order them at: http://www.themusic.com The price of a single show is app. $25 There is also a possibility to buy a collector box including all shows. You better start saving some money... :wink: And last but not least Meat Loaf could choose to sell them at his own site. Don't think he will though, cause he l probably wants to reach a large audience and not everybody is aware of his site.
That's what I was thinking this morning. I bought one of the Peter Gabriel cds from the music.com. They only released the US shows so I couldn't get the one I went to at Wembley. They were sold via that website which was linked from his main fan site.
It will be great to be able to buy a copy of the show I was at. It's always great to have some live stuff anyway. The question is will I be able to stick at just one?? :D
Renegade Angel
25 Jan 2004, 20:14
Great news and what a good idea!!!
I really hope that the Sheffield gig from 15th Jan is released as this was a great gig and has had a good reaction from the fans who have been to a lot of the UK shows.
And I've just heard from eBay that they have removed the illicit recording of the Newcastle concert. From the still used in the listing it looks like the person who recorded it wasn't even in the front row! eBay are sometimes painfully slow to act on this kind of thing, but this time they got their cyber bum in gear :)
What difference does them not being in the front row make, or am I being dense and very tired and confused lol...
great news about the shows being relesead btw Meat :D
Deb
Anyway, I can't wait for the CDs to be released - Meat's voice is fantastic and the band really rocks. It would be nice to have some of Kasim's opening songs on it too.
Kasim is planning to record his forthcoming solo gig on Staten Island on 7th February for a DVD / CD so you will be able to get hold of a copy of his live music.
Sue
http://www.KasimInfo.com
EXCELLENT NEWS!! :D
ChrisBelfast
25 Jan 2004, 20:28
Regards Kaim, I guess it'll only be available through spheresounds...... i take it its a bit optimistic to think that you could walk into the new releases section of HMV and pick one up?
Great news also Meat - its about time we got some recent live stuff!
Excellent News!!! Thanks Meat for letting us know!!
And thanks to Sue for the Kasim news as well, if I can't be in NY then to see the show after the event will be great!
AndyK
.... who really is going to go and collapse on that sofa soon!!!
What difference does them not being in the front row make, or am I being dense and very tired and confused lol...
I would have thought a videotape taken with presumably a pretty small camcorder held aloft a few rows back from the front would be just about as poor quality as you could get.
Great news about the tapes, should be great!
As for bootlegs. Whoa where to start! Ummm. Best not to actually. :D
Rock on!
What difference does them not being in the front row make, or am I being dense and very tired and confused lol...
I would have thought a videotape taken with presumably a pretty small camcorder held aloft a few rows back from the front would be just about as poor quality as you could get.
I dunno, a video from the front row would be pretty poor. You wouldnt get the whole of the stage in lol.
I have 100's of Bon jovi bootlegs (bootlegs are very much normal with Bon Jovi shows and something Jon actually promotes) and they are all taken from further back in the crowd. Plus the sounds better from further back, not on top of the speakers.
Deb
Pudding
26 Jan 2004, 02:38
It's not fair for just the privileged few to get these cds, just like it's not fair for MLOIFC to get first pick on this and that.
What a silly bloody statement, of course it's fair. If Meat isn't going to widely distribute the tapes, CD's or whatever then why not let the members of the OIFC get first pickings? What do they pay their membership fee for? I'm not a member and have no real desire to become one; but if I was, then I'd be pretty pissed off if I wasn't near the front of the queue and they ran out by the time it came to me.
At least the Steinfans are equal, and not laid out in ranks - first class, second class, all that nonsense.
Yes that maybe true but it's amazing how when something is on offer how many "LURKERS" come out of the woodwork and ask for a copy, without any inclination to share what they've got with a few other people. I ask you, if you WERE a member of say The Jim Steinman Fan Club and paid $20 a year for the privilege and something came out, wouldn't you want first pickings? You'd spit the dummy bigtime if your neighbour who isn't a member got whatever it was before you.
Pud:o]
sherrie87
26 Jan 2004, 02:57
The release of UK board tapes is the best news that I've heard in months! (The only thing that could possibly top that news is the booking of another US leg of the tour! :D ) Whether released just in the UK or through the soon to be running (hopefully!) new official site, I see no inequity in the distribution of them. Even if only released in limited countries, those who really want a CD can get them. I got the UK and Austrailian versions of CHSIB quite easily, and I would imagine it would be similar with these board tapes. (And lets be honest, it would most assuredly be worth a bit of effort to get board tapes of live Meat shows!) I see my credit card bill growing by the moment....there's no way I can buy just one...or one dozen...oy, my husband will not be allowed to view the bills for a good while after these tapes are released! :oops:
Thanks for the great news Meat! You are too good to us!
Sherrie
oy, my husband will not be allowed to view the bills for a good while after these tapes are released!
Hee Hee!
Maybe the PayPal will be fairly anonymous so you might get lucky, who knows!!??!!
Good luck either way!
ROCK ON FIRE BALL!!!
Keep Rocking
26 Jan 2004, 09:33
Hi Fire Ball!
Great news that you will make some show recordings available for us!
Just one small plea: is it possible that you will also release a copy of the show in Trier?
Please, please, don't take me wrong: I'm not one of these "but"-sayers(good with the UK-copys but can you ...)
It is just that the show in Trier meens very much to me personally, I think it was pure magic and you guys on stage seems to feel that also.
If it is impossible to release the Trier show I will happily buy one (or more) of the UK shows
Have a great time
Yvonne
Michael Marxen
26 Jan 2004, 12:02
we are we going to put out 20 live board tapres from the shows in the UK as soon as April, I f I did the record over it wouldn't be the same. I never sing the song the same wasy twice.
Exactly that is the reason that makes me attend multiple shows. Meat lifts the songs up to another level, different each night! Unlike sterile sounding Celine Dion. Unlike reproducing musical productions. Unlike anything...
I.e. I would kill for a recording of the "GIVE ME SOME FIRES" part in Frying Pan! So having the shows released on audio is too good to be true!
MasterEngineer
26 Jan 2004, 17:18
As he said in an German interview:
"I am not lazy.... I'm just slow!"
So I hope that this Concert-cd doesn't make any conflict with the Australian Orchestra version, which seems definitely to be in planning..... *everypossiblefingercrossed* 2 live CDs in one year... cannot wait to see them!
ME
Michael Marxen
27 Jan 2004, 22:12
If one of the German shows would be added, it would have the benefit of the following great songs being on offer too:
1.RnR Dreams (in an over-the-top version with neverending guitars and vocals as the climax...)
2.Forever Young (with the fantastic Meat and Patti vocal duell)
3.We Are Family (did you know this is a rock song?)
Outrageous Michael (but too much is never enough Meat)
LostSoul
27 Jan 2004, 22:34
If one of the German shows would be added, it would have the benefit of the following great songs being on offer too:
1.RnR Dreams (in an over-the-top version with neverending guitars and vocals as the climax...)
2.Forever Young (with the fantastic Meat and Patti vocal duell)
3.We Are Family (did you know this is a rock song?)
Outrageous Michael (but too much is never enough Meat)
Lawyers... Lawyers... Lawyers... Lawyers... (is there an echo or what?) 8)
I.e. I would kill for a recording of the "GIVE ME SOME FIRES" part in Frying Pan!
Yup! *sigh* 8O
If one of the German shows would be added, it would have the benefit of the following great songs being on offer too:
1.RnR Dreams (in an over-the-top version with neverending guitars and vocals as the climax...)
2.Forever Young (with the fantastic Meat and Patti vocal duell)
3.We Are Family (did you know this is a rock song?)
Outrageous Michael (but too much is never enough Meat)
If we got an American show we would get even more additions:
1. Tear Me Down
2. Love You Out Loud
3. Livin' In The USA
Then ... after we get saturated with this tour ... we should get the ultimate archive ... STORYTELLERS TOUR tapes ... I am in wishful dreaming mode now!
ROCK ON GOOD TIMES!!!
ChrisBelfast
27 Jan 2004, 22:52
Dublin and two of the belfast shows had Id Lie For You as well. Some english ones might have had it too (Cant remember). The List is getting longer. Belfast also had a short Silent Night too :D
And then while we're all in dreamland, how about some of the tours from eons ago as well?
I still have vivid memories of hearing Meat and the band perform Addicted To Love during a soundcheck in Newcastle many many years ago, I'd love to get a sound board recording of that one day!
rockfenris2005
28 Jan 2004, 01:52
What a silly bl**dy statement, of course it's fair. If Meat isn't going to widely distribute the tapes, CD's or whatever then why not let the members of the OIFC get first pickings? What do they pay their membership fee for? I'm not a member and have no real desire to become one; but if I was, then I'd be pretty pissed off if I wasn't near the front of the queue and they ran out by the time it came to me.
But it's still not fair. Why can't everyone get them? Why do a certain
few have to get them? But, in general, you are right. You would be
frustrated, but I can guarantee that they will CONSTANTLY be at the
front of the line, even though the overwhelmingly passionate fans,
who may not have joined the club or are simply unable to, are left
waiting in the cold. In my view, that's not fair.
Yes that maybe true but it's amazing how when something is on offer how many "LURKERS" come out of the woodwork and ask for a copy, without any inclination to share what they've got with a few other people. I ask you, if you WERE a member of say The Jim Steinman Fan Club and paid $20 a year for the privilege and something came out, wouldn't you want first pickings? You'd spit the dummy bigtime if your neighbour who isn't a member got whatever it was before you.
Hey, I've been in that fanclub for two years, and I never lurked in
out of nowhere, asking for dvds. I asked her in private - not like half
of them who openly snapped their fingers. I wish Meat Loaf had
someone like Jacqueline Dillon. Jim should consider himself blessed
by the very gods above - or wherever - that he has her, because
none of Meat's lot even come remotely close to her. She is generous,
she doesn't judge, she doesn't force people to pay, she would do
anything for any of the fans. These people expect you to sign
memberships, pay with cards, and instead of - when the big day
comes - allowing you to stand in front so you can meet the big guy
first, they will shove you to the ground and steal the spotlight.
Jacqueline would never do that, she would let us all through to see
Jim, and god bless her. No, really, god bless her lucky stars. [/b]
rockfenris2005
28 Jan 2004, 01:57
And how do I know they would shove me out of the way? Because it has been my experience. In Melbourne, at the sign-meet, several fans (apparently from the fanclub, when me and my mother overheard them speaking) rudely pushed in front of us and didn't even bother to consider that we'd been waiting in that cue for three hours. I hope ALL of the fans aren't like this, but it has given me a disrespect for MLOIFC members.
Gosh Ryan .. if a few (apparent) fans in Melbourne behaved like that it's a sure bet that we're all like that! Hey .. we probably all have corks dangling from our hats too! :wink:
Seriously, if Meat is apparently considering one option might be to knock them out through eBay, it sounds as if he's concerned that everyone gets the opportunity don't you think? We'll have to get him a three wheeled van next :lmao:
rockfenris2005
28 Jan 2004, 03:11
Sarcasm is sweeter than honesty. Love is lust in disguise. Sweet words, very sarcastic. This has been my experience. I just wish one of his fans were like Jacqueline Dillon. Maybe you are? No. You are a bit, but everything of yours I read annoys me somehow. And Jacqueline does NOT torment me with animated Meat Loafs. Still, if you're interested in that three-wheeled van, give it to MLOIFC. I'm sure they'll have a rockin' great time. REAL fans don't push in each other's way!! People like that DESERVE to get a three-wheeled van, so they can crash and learn their lessons. As for Meat Loaf, he's a saint. I never said anything bad about him and I actually love him to bits.
Lordy Ryan, you blow hot and cold on me. Last week I was Meat's Jacqueline, today I'm your tormentor. I'd hoped the :wink: would tell you I was joking :) But I think it's a bit harsh to disrespect OIFC members based on the behaviour of a few you met up with once.
Pushing and shoving people out of the way is imo something decent people don't do, whether they be fans or not, and those I've met in the US have been with few exceptions friendly, caring and sharing people.
Still, I've never said anything bad about Meat and I love him to bits too, so we have that in common :)
rockfenris2005
28 Jan 2004, 04:14
You are Jacqueline, but I thought you were being cruel and sarcastic regarding my experiences. I took it a little personally and I started to blow ice. Apologies. I suppose not all of the fans are like this, because there are some fabulous people on this board, but it has been my experience and I shouldn't just judge from this, and also, I hope it never happens again
Aaah .. friends again :) And I hope that doesn't ever happen again either Ryan. I was actually knocked flat to the ground by someone at the Eddie Izzard concert I went to recently .. but put that down to the bloke being a clod rather than an Eddie fan :)
Pudding
28 Jan 2004, 04:37
I wish Meat Loaf had someone like Jacqueline Dillon.
I just wish one of his fans were like Jacqueline Dillon.
Last week I was Meat's Jacqueline.
You are Jacqueline.
IS CarylB Jacqueline Dillon or NOT? and if she is then why is she called CarylB but if she isn't then that means Meat Loaf still doesn't have someone like Jacqueline Dillon! And I think it's only fair that you should ask Jacqueline first if she doesn't mind someone being her!
Well I'm confused :nuts:
Pud 8O
Aaah .. friends again :) And I hope that doesn't ever happen again either Ryan. I was actually knocked flat to the ground by someone at the Eddie Izzard concert I went to recently .. but put that down to the bloke being a clod rather than an Eddie fan :)
That's horrible Caryl :(
The husband of a friend of mine had a similar experience when we went to see David Copperfield in Atlantic City.
The poor man uses a wheelchair. During the show, we sat in a booth (remember .. the ones at Caesars :wink:), but after the show, he had to get back in the wheel chair. It was really crowded, and it took him a few minutes to get situated. Before he could even move, some woman came out of no where, practically pushed him out of the way, and cursed at him for being in her way :( Some people can be so rude !
Vicki
rockfenris2005
28 Jan 2004, 04:48
Yes, there are some ghastly people on this planet. I won't even tell you of my many experiences. Some are so insane and over-the-top you wouldn't believe me. And as for Pudding, Caryl is not Jacqueline, but you can say she is of equal rank in the Meat Loaf world. Where Jacqueline has the colorful vocabulary, Caryl has the colorful cartoons and exciting webpage (one that moves like a real movie). I guess they are both good and I don't think Jacqueline would mind if someone paid her a compliment.
Well I'm confused
Pud
Then our work here is done :lol:
Bad story Vicki .. guess there's always a few flies in every jar of oitment!!
Well I'm confused
Pud
Then our work here is done :lol:
Bad story Vicki .. guess there's always a few flies in every jar of oitment!!
Right you are Caryl .. on both counts !
Vicki
LostSoul
28 Jan 2004, 16:54
And then while we're all in dreamland, how about some of the tours from eons ago as well?
I still have vivid memories of hearing Meat and the band perform Addicted To Love during a soundcheck in Newcastle many many years ago, I'd love to get a sound board recording of that one day!
Robert Palmer's? 8O
I want it too!!! :))
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