View Full Version : It's All Coming Back duet with Katherine McPhee
robgomm
23 Jan 2012, 12:26
Hey guys, I have to admit I never saw this performance until now, and I remember there was something about it at the time? Didn't Katherine McPhee criticise Meat or something and be a complete bitch?
I don't get it, I watched the video for the first time and I actually thought it was a really strong tv performance by Meat, really well done. I didn't hear any fluffed notes or anything. Like I say I don't get it. Let's talk about how good this performance was. Definitely one of the better tv ones.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9xGP5fJm-0
Evil One
23 Jan 2012, 12:54
It wasn't a good performance at all and did Meat's promotion of Bat 3 in the US no favours. There's like an inteview somewhere like where McPhee like slags off Meat for being like intense and reveals that she had like no clue who Meat was before like they met. :bleh:
It wasn't a bad performance at all in my view; given the time constraints and the lack of performing chemistry between Meat and McPhee, it was a good performance from Meat. The start wasn't as he would have wanted it, but he wasn't getting anything through his cans which made it very difficult, and these shows always impose time constraints on great songs that do the songs no favours, which in turn weakens the overall impact of the performance imo.
But Evil's right in saying Katherine McPhee was pretty dismissive of Meat in a later interview, and did say she'd never heard of him, which is more an indictment of her as than it is of Meat's reputation. You'd expect young artists on canvass to have heard of Monet, Picasso, Warhol etc and have studied their work, and respect it even if their artistic take was different; time was, young musical artists would have heard of the greats in modern music and taken an interest in them even if they decided they wanted to do differently, just as Meat when he was young had heard and listened to the greats in popular music and rock. But that was back when you worked over time to get yourself known, rather than expect a talent show to propel you to success in a few short weeks. Still, I doubt McPhee will have the sustained success over decades that Meat has achieved ;)
Caryl
Mr. Happy
23 Jan 2012, 13:28
That was NOT a good performance, by any stretch of the imagination, and to me is possibly the worst performance I've seen on this side of the century. Meat was so flat that it dragged her down with him, and at times (particularly at the start) it looks like his earpiece isn't even working, he's so out of time. She WAS completely out of line with her criticisms, though. "Complete bitch" is a horrible understatement :D She deserves to be tarred and feathered for the way she mocked Meat in that interview.
Still, I doubt McPhee will have the sustained success over decades that Meat has achieved ;)
If it wasn't for this performance, I wouldn't even know she existed. Has she had any success AT ALL yet? :P
robgomm
23 Jan 2012, 14:00
It wasn't a bad performance at all in my view; given the time constraints and the lack of performing chemistry between Meat and McPhee, it was a good performance from Meat. The start wasn't as he would have wanted it, but he wasn't getting anything through his cans which made it very difficult, and these shows always impose time constraints on great songs that do the songs no favours, which in turn weakens the overall impact of the performance imo.
But Evil's right in saying Katherine McPhee was pretty dismissive of Meat in a later interview, and did say she'd never heard of him, which is more an indictment of her as than it is of Meat's reputation. You'd expect young artists on canvass to have heard of Monet, Picasso, Warhol etc and have studied their work, and respect it even if their artistic take was different; time was, young musical artists would have heard of the greats in modern music and taken an interest in them even if they decided they wanted to do differently, just as Meat when he was young had heard and listened to the greats in popular music and rock. But that was back when you worked over time to get yourself known, rather than expect a talent show to propel you to success in a few short weeks. Still, I doubt McPhee will have the sustained success over decades that Meat has achieved ;)
Caryl
Agree completely. Guess it's just a matter of opinion but I thought it was a strong performance.
There seems to be a bit of a tendancy around here for anything related to Bat 3 to be automatically written off as terrible, just because of the problems of that era and Meats feelings on it himself. Some people seem to think that they would be a terrible fan if they didn't hate everything from that period. I think this is wrong. Despite the problems, despite Meats feelings, Meat produced some fine performances during this ear and I am fed up of people trying to take that away from him.
Mr. Happy
23 Jan 2012, 14:06
Agree completely. Guess it's just a matter of opinion but I thought it was a strong performance.
There seems to be a bit of a tendancy around here for anything related to Bat 3 to be automatically written off as terrible, just because of the problems of that era and Meats feelings on it himself. Some people seem to think that they would be a terrible fan if they didn't hate everything from that period. I think this is wrong. Despite the problems, despite Meats feelings, Meat produced some fine performances during this ear and I am fed up of people trying to take that away from him.
I don't like it because I don't like it, not because Meat said so. He was sick at the time and it really shows in a lot of the performances. It's painful to watch because it looks like HE is in pain. That's not to say it was all bad, but you're lying to yourself if you think that Meat was performing at the top of his game every night. I don't think it's fair to say that everyone who doesn't like that period is biased, because I don't think that's true at all.
A while back (it might still be there, actually), Wario had the Royal Albert Hall performance from the 3 Bats Live tour up on his channel. I thought THAT performance was incredible. Objects in particular, that night, was probably my favourite performance ever of the song. So that quite possibly blows this theory out of the water (in my case, at least) :P I'm not going to sugarcoat a review of something I didn't enjoy, but I will give credit where it's due. I think that that is the mindset that a lot of people adopt :)
robgomm
23 Jan 2012, 14:12
I don't like it because I don't like it, not because Meat said so. He was sick at the time and it really shows in a lot of the performances. It's painful to watch because it looks like HE is in pain. That's not to say it was all bad, but you're lying to yourself if you think that Meat was performing at the top of his game every night. I don't think it's fair to say that everyone who doesn't like that period is biased, because I don't think that's true at all.
A while back (it might still be there, actually), Wario had the Royal Albert Hall performance from the 3 Bats Live tour up on his channel. I thought THAT performance was incredible. Objects in particular, that night, was probably my favourite performance ever of the song. So that quite possibly blows this theory out of the water (in my case, at least) :P
Well I didn't mean everyone and i'm pleased to hear you say that. And of course I don't think he was on top of his game every night, I never said that.
and at times (particularly at the start) it looks like his earpiece isn't even working,
Which is what I said. That made it incredibly difficult at the start, and had to have had some effect throughout. It certainly wasn't a great performance, but I disagree absolutely that it was as some suggest.
I agree there's a tendency for much of anything related to Bat3 to be heavily criticised here. It wasn't Meat's best time, he was exhausted, stressed, and eventually the vocal cyst became apparent. But he gave many great performances over a sustained period. The RAH was superb, he sang his ass off and the atmosphere was amazing. But he also sang his ass off in many shows on that tour which I attended, and to virtually write off that time and that tour as some seem to is imo to diminish what he delivered.
Caryl
Mr. Happy
23 Jan 2012, 14:22
Well I didn't mean everyone and i'm pleased to hear you say that. And of course I don't think he was on top of his game every night, I never said that.
I know, I'm just saying that people don't "automatically write it off" for whatever reason. They actually legitimately don't like it, and as sad as it is, that's actually a reasonable point of view judging from some of the performances of the time. And it's these performances that seem to get publicised, for whatever reason. It's not fair to just say that they're wrong because they're "just trying not to be a terrible fan," because it's dismissing what are valid opinions. As long as they're being respectful when they say it, there's nothing wrong with people saying they don't like something.
Sorry if it seems like I'm having a go at you, Rob, because I'm not trying to. I just find it odd that some people here just instantly dismiss negative opinions as if they're not even remotely accurate. For this time period in particular, it's an understandable mindset.
Which is what I said.
Sorry, you posted as I was writing up my own one. I didn't see it until after I pressed "Submit Reply" :P
You mean Katnip mcfetalbrain?
It's actually not as bad as I remember it to be. I think Meat is in tune most of the time.
mtaylor315
23 Jan 2012, 15:53
I quite liked it actually. The beginning was a little shaky in my opinion, but after that I thought it was good :-)
mcphee went on to sell 12,000 albums!!!!! just 99,988,000 less than Meat!!
mcphee went on to sell 12,000 albums!!!!! just 99,988,000 less than Meat!!
So she was close then?
One word or seven it was crap
robgomm
23 Jan 2012, 16:47
I know, I'm just saying that people don't "automatically write it off" for whatever reason. They actually legitimately don't like it, and as sad as it is, that's actually a reasonable point of view judging from some of the performances of the time. And it's these performances that seem to get publicised, for whatever reason. It's not fair to just say that they're wrong because they're "just trying not to be a terrible fan," because it's dismissing what are valid opinions. As long as they're being respectful when they say it, there's nothing wrong with people saying they don't like something.
Sorry if it seems like I'm having a go at you, Rob, because I'm not trying to. I just find it odd that some people here just instantly dismiss negative opinions as if they're not even remotely accurate. For this time period in particular, it's an understandable mindset.
Sorry, you posted as I was writing up my own one. I didn't see it until after I pressed "Submit Reply" :P
Yeah I know you're not having a go at me, i respect that i really do. But I do believe there are some people on here that DO automatically write a Bat 3 era performance off. It just disappoints me that's all. And like Caryl people don't give him credit for producing some good performances during what was one of the most difficult times of his life. It's just sad.
robgomm
23 Jan 2012, 16:47
I agree there's a tendency for much of anything related to Bat3 to be heavily criticised here. It wasn't Meat's best time, he was exhausted, stressed, and eventually the vocal cyst became apparent. But he gave many great performances over a sustained period. The RAH was superb, he sang his ass off and the atmosphere was amazing. But he also sang his ass off in many shows on that tour which I attended, and to virtually write off that time and that tour as some seem to is imo to diminish what he delivered.
Caryl
Exactly!
Smithie
23 Jan 2012, 16:50
How did she and Meat get paired together anyway? I thought the contestants choose who they duet with in the finale.
The Flying Mouse
23 Jan 2012, 20:12
:twisted: We had a discussion about that interview a while ago in General Messages.
The original posting of the interview vid is here.................
I think the comments Katherine McPhee made are really disrespectful, but she made them, so everyone should hear them. This is the reason I never enjoy guest performers. They are just briefly passing through and they don't get Meat at all. I have great respect for Patti and the NLE who commit 100% and who are invested in it for the long haul. Meat is a legend and he deserves respect.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0QJjAskq9nE&feature=related
And I still stand by my comments at the time.............
:twisted: She didn't know what he looks like, whereas i'm sure Meat knew what the fu*k she looked like, her being so damn famous and successful. :nuts:
That frumpy older man has sold a shit load of records, and still has a fan base that stretches across the world and includes all ages from kids to pentioners.
Perhaps he was nervous because he was singing with a rank amateur, who doesn't know the difference between singing a song and performing one.
She couldn't handle the fact that Meat got into the song rather than stood there just singing the words.
She should get some respect, and stop saying "like"!
Oh, plus the fact that she looked way too eager to please, and the easiest way to do that is to show a shocking ammount of disrespect to get cheap laughs.
Not very classy IMHO.
PanicLord
23 Jan 2012, 22:17
mcphee went on to sell 12,000 albums!!!!! just 99,988,000 less than Meat!!
Lol!
I actually thought it was a very good performance by Meat on rewatching it just. A couple of minor issues because of the non working earpieces but otherwise excellent.
Katherine McPhee's name kept popping up on tv all weekend... I can't even remember for what, but I kept thinking I knew the name from somewhere and it had something to do with Meat ... THERE ya go ! Thanks, guys !!!
It was AI, right ? Count me as still pished Meat was on it as I never watch and HAD to ... :twisted: ... lol ...
S ... xo
Evil One
23 Jan 2012, 23:34
Meat seemed to have difficulty with this song a few times. He made a hash of the beginning on the Ken Bruce show as well. :shrug:
Meat seemed to have difficulty with this song a few times. He made a hash of the beginning on the Ken Bruce show as well. :shrug:
Hey there, Evil-1. Is this the American Idol performance being discussed ? I remember Meat being on .Net that day telling fans how nervous he was.
Evil One
23 Jan 2012, 23:42
Yes :yep:
Julie in the rv mirror
24 Jan 2012, 01:59
But Evil's right in saying Katherine McPhee was pretty dismissive of Meat in a later interview, and did say she'd never heard of him, which is more an indictment of her as than it is of Meat's reputation. You'd expect young artists on canvass to have heard of Monet, Picasso, Warhol etc and have studied their work, and respect it even if their artistic take was different; time was, young musical artists would have heard of the greats in modern music and taken an interest in them even if they decided they wanted to do differently, just as Meat when he was young had heard and listened to the greats in popular music and rock.
Yes and no. In her defense (not of her attitide, only of her lack of knowledge), most of these kids are very young, and are more likely influenced by what they're hearing lately. I would think any serious knowledge or study of influences by a young artist would be an exception, and one exhibited by the more "serious" artist. Compare someone like Alicia Keys, for example, versus Britney Spears- no real comparison, IMO.
As for McPhee, I was never a fan of her at all.
She's been in the news lately because she's going to be on a new TV show coming out:
http://www.nbc.com/smash/
juniper
24 Jan 2012, 06:44
I've seen this video before, it's downright painful. Meat, of course, is great in it. He clearly is trying to engage her and she's not having any part of it. She either never sung a duet before or for some reason was extremely uncomfortable and it showed in her performance. Meat gave it his all, like usual, but she let him down, then she went on to ridicule him, though she actually is kinda funny when she talks about meeting him, but the perfomance video needs to be buried and forgotten.
renegadeangel
26 Jan 2012, 13:30
Which is what I said. That made it incredibly difficult at the start, and had to have had some effect throughout. It certainly wasn't a great performance, but I disagree absolutely that it was as some suggest.
I agree there's a tendency for much of anything related to Bat3 to be heavily criticised here. It wasn't Meat's best time, he was exhausted, stressed, and eventually the vocal cyst became apparent. But he gave many great performances over a sustained period. The RAH was superb, he sang his ass off and the atmosphere was amazing. But he also sang his ass off in many shows on that tour which I attended, and to virtually write off that time and that tour as some seem to is imo to diminish what he delivered.
Caryl
Good points there to be sure. But I think much of the negativity of the BAT 3 album and tour began with Meat's own comments about how he felt about the whole experience. I think that he gave it his all but in the end it really got to him. The BAT 3 DVD was not the Meat I had seen before or since on tour. I don't fault him for being anymore or less human than the rest of us. Just glad he didn't stop at BAT 3 and kept going,
shes a bitch, always will be a bitch. screw her shes nothing and a disgrace
shes a bitch, always will be a bitch. screw her shes nothing and a disgrace
Good morning, WarieL ! and come onnn... don't hold back... Tell us how you REALLY feel ... :twisted: ...
ONLY KIDDING !
S ... suddenly realizing WarieL probably will ... hahaha ... xo
TheDoode
26 Jan 2012, 15:36
Like it or not, the Huckabee performance of LA was far worse. I think people are being a little too harsh on this one. It wasn't perfect, by any stretch, but it wasn't horrible either.
TheDoode
27 Jan 2012, 01:33
And because I don't want to leave this thread on a downer (and since we're on the subject of TV appearances), the recent Bagel Bites performance actually had some fantastic vocals. Never get tired of that one, man. :cool:
robgomm
27 Jan 2012, 18:04
Oh yeah! Bagel bites was awesome!
snider22
27 Jan 2012, 18:15
Oh yeah! Bagel bites was awesome!
I agree, some fantastic notes nailed in that performance and the American Idol performance was not as bad as many make it out to be.
Is Bagel Bites a Jim Steinman song from DOTV?:??::-)
Like it or not, the Huckabee performance of LA was far worse. I think people are being a little too harsh on this one. It wasn't perfect, by any stretch, but it wasn't horrible either.
Not sure I can say I disagree with your comment here, as I believe art is subjective and not objective; therefore, "best" \ "worst" are pretty much moot in my eyes. I would say they are very different performances of very different types of songs.
I would never expect nor do I believe anyone could ever deliver a sweeping emotion filled epic performance of Los Angeloser (even Meat Loaf), just the same as I do not believe It's All Coming Back To Me Now could ever be performed as a standard rock n roll romp. Both songs are different and deserve a different approach. I think the Huckabee performance of Los Angeloser was adequate for what it was (a rock performance of a standard rock song on a conservative TV show) whereas I think the American Idol performance of It's All Coming Back To Me Now with all of the dramatic lights, vast array of musicians, and high production value simply fell flat of what it could/should have been.
TheDoode
28 Jan 2012, 14:49
Not sure I can say I disagree with your comment here, as I believe art is subjective and not objective; therefore, "best" \ "worst" are pretty much moot in my eyes. I would say they are very different performances of very different types of songs.
I would never expect nor do I believe anyone could ever deliver a sweeping emotion filled epic performance of Los Angeloser (even Meat Loaf), just the same as I do not believe It's All Coming Back To Me Now could ever be performed as a standard rock n roll romp. Both songs are different and deserve a different approach. I think the Huckabee performance of Los Angeloser was adequate for what it was (a rock performance of a standard rock song on a conservative TV show) whereas I think the American Idol performance of It's All Coming Back To Me Now with all of the dramatic lights, vast array of musicians, and high production value simply fell flat of what it could/should have been.
Dave, agreed and agreed, but my point was about the quality of the vocals and the confidence in the performance, over the style of delivery of the song. The Huckabee wasn't Meat's best, sadly, but the American Idol gig, despite the low monitors at the beginning and Catherine McWhatever, was actually quite strong in comparison (vocally).
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