View Full Version : 3 Bats Live: Bad For Good REEDITED
I hope enjoy my hard work on not just reediting the monstrosity, but reediting the film to synch with it.
This is what should have been released, it took me 2 hours to put everything together.
and i'm only 19 years old and used imovie to do it :roll:
Tell me what you think:
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meatfanforlife
15 Sep 2010, 06:13
Very nice. What versions are all in here? how did you do this? Im interested in learning more :D
stretch37
15 Sep 2010, 06:18
I hope enjoy my hard work on not just reediting the monstrosity, but reediting the film to synch with it.
This is what should have been released, it took me 2 hours to put everything together.
and i'm only 19 years old and used imovie to do it :roll:
Tell me what you think:
x3_EGaOuhHE
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Chris, I gotta hand it to you man, this version is way the ~~~~ better than the dvd version. Great job!!
AndrewG
15 Sep 2010, 14:03
What was the problem with the original exactly?? I watched it a few weeks ago and can't say I noticed lots of problems. Meat's vocal wasn't picked up during the second verse or so for a few lines but that was all I noticed. :roll:
Just listened to both versions and I can spot two changes to Meat's vocals. The "sea is whipping the sky" line has been overdubbed and the first of the last "instead of being bad for just a little while" has been overdubbed thus two bits are as you call it "corrected". But is this really corrected? These "mistakes" are also on the CD, but if this was simply not on the master tape then what to you expect them to do, what you have done? It is really taking the original out of context.
To call the original a monstrosity with only those niggles is quite disrespectful and over the top in my opinion.
Good work but eh I don't get it.
Just listened to both versions and I can spot two changes to Meat's vocals. The "sea is whipping the sky" line has been overdubbed and the first of the last "instead of being bad for just a little while" has been overdubbed thus two bits are as you call it "corrected". But is this really corrected? These "mistakes" are also on the CD, but if this was simply not on the master tape then what to you expect them to do, what you have done? It is really taking the original out of context.
Good work but eh I don't get it.
..... I called it a monstrosity because they let that huge audio mistake through. All I did was fix the audio mistake and where he came in early.
I did nothing to enhance his vocal. and nothing was "ovedubbed". The Second "sea is whipping the sky" was placed over where his mic cut off and fixed where his mic cut off the second time with a copy and paste from "Instead of being bad for just a little while" and the third is time his mic cut off I used studio vocal again.
Thats all i did just to make it look better. The performance itself is great, the way it was produced was the monstrosity.
Evil One
15 Sep 2010, 19:39
Why does it sound like you've done all this in your bathroom?
Why does it sound like you've done all this in your bathroom?
LOL :D
Elijah's way
23 Sep 2010, 14:51
I hope enjoy my hard work on not just reediting the monstrosity, but reediting the film to synch with it.
This is what should have been released, it took me 2 hours to put everything together.
and i'm only 19 years old and used imovie to do it :roll:
Tell me what you think:
x3_EGaOuhHE
http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r149/Deadringerforlove/WarioSmiley.gif
This version is way better than that hideous monstrosity that we call a studio version. But that really ain't saying much because this is a SHIT song anyway, IMO.
daveake
23 Sep 2010, 15:00
The original version on the BFG album remains the best version of this NOT SHIT (IMO) song.
Elijah's way
23 Sep 2010, 15:01
I personally don't like any version of this song as you could tell from my post above.
AndrewG
23 Sep 2010, 15:08
I think it's one of Steinman's best actually. Such a good follow up as album opener after Bat, which fair enough he will never top anyway but almost did with AFL imo.
Best part of Meat's version was the little Brian May guitar intro but it could have been better had they not shortened it and more piano.
I still don't see why Wario's version is so much different. I admit he improved it and did a good job but I just don't think much was wrong with it at all. :shrug: I don't expect live versions of songs to be perfect whatsoever, that's the beauty of going to gigs, it always sounds a little bit different.
daveake
23 Sep 2010, 15:11
I personally don't like any version of this song as you could tell from my post above.
Yes, I got that.
Elijah's way
23 Sep 2010, 15:13
Yes, I got that.
Just making sure;):lol:
But that really ain't saying much because this is a SHIT song anyway, IMO.
Recently, "shit(ty) song" seems to be one of your favorite terms when it comes to songs performed by Meat. You sang a totally different tune not that long ago.
Bad For Good is Good not Bad.:-)
allrevvedup
23 Sep 2010, 16:23
I think it's only an ok version of the song but the 3 Bats Live version does not do any justice to it at all. No power in the vocals for me and kind of a paint by numbers mentality when it comes to the music.
but hey that's just my opinion.
The original version on the BFG album remains the best version of this NOT SHIT (IMO) song.
You're ridiculous dave :cool:
THIS IS THE BEST:
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Evil One
23 Sep 2010, 20:38
You're ridiculous dave :cool:
THIS IS THE BEST
When a soundboard quality version escapes from the vault then I will agree with you, until then I agree with Dave.
Sorry but Jim can't sing for shit, so the original is utter crap, and the video made for it is worse, and is a big block of cheese. The song is a excellent song though, much prefer Meat singing it. :D
Evil One
23 Sep 2010, 22:38
No question I prefer Meat's vocals, but the arrangement of Jim's version knocks the socks off Mr Child's crap.
daveake
23 Sep 2010, 22:47
Indeedy
AndrewG
23 Sep 2010, 23:06
Sorry but Jim can't sing for shit, so the original is utter crap..
I disagree completely.
I disagree completely.
i agree with him to an extent. Jim CAN sing, but doesn't have POWER.
The instrumentation of the Jim original is what saves it.
Bat 3 vocal on that instrumentation and you're talking serious win.
Elijah's way
23 Sep 2010, 23:59
Recently, "shit(ty) song" seems to be one of your favorite terms when it comes to songs performed by Meat. You sang a totally different tune not that long ago.
What?? I have know idea what you are talking about!! This song, Boneyard, Like A Rose, Mercury Blues, and Whore are the only songs that I don't like that Meat has done. So get you're facts straight before you start talking shit :roll:
AndrewG
24 Sep 2010, 00:08
What?? I have know idea what you are talking about!! This song, Boneyard, Like A Rose, Mercury Blues, and Whore are the only songs that I don't like that Meat has done. So get you're facts straight before you start talking shit :roll:
Charming...
Evil One
24 Sep 2010, 00:10
What?? I have know idea what you are talking about!! This song, Boneyard, Like A Rose, Mercury Blues, and Whore are the only songs that I don't like that Meat has done. So get you're facts straight before you start talking shit :roll:
How can you not like Mercury Blues? Are you talking the studio effort or Meat's take on the song in general? I'd put the performance on the MSO DVD in my top Meat live recordings any day.
Elijah's way
24 Sep 2010, 00:15
Charming...
yeah well you have to be sometimes
What?? I have know idea what you are talking about!! This song, Boneyard, Like A Rose, Mercury Blues, and Whore are the only songs that I don't like that Meat has done. So get you're facts straight before you start talking shit :roll:
You forgot Los Angeloser. But it's not so much the songs I referred to. Do you remember this: http://www.mlukfc.com/forums/showthread.php?p=468003? That's what you said about people who said they didn't like a song.
Elijah's way
24 Sep 2010, 00:20
How can you not like Mercury Blues? Are you talking the studio effort or Meat's take on the song in general? I'd put the performance on the MSO DVD in my top Meat live recordings any day.
I just think the lyrics are so stupid!! I don't get why anyone would do this song, and I don't get why someone wrote a song about a crap car:shrug: sorry that's just how I feel about it.
Do you know when and by whom it was written? Obviously a large number of musicians have a different point of view, otherwise it wouldn't have been covered that often.
I'd put the performance on the MSO DVD in my top Meat live recordings any day.
Not according to this:
http://www.mlukfc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15634
AndrewG
24 Sep 2010, 00:27
I like Mercury and thought it was a nice surprise on CHSIB. I liked how they credited in the booklet "on the bumper". I was like :wtf: is that about until I got to the last tracks and found out about the hidden song. As it was at that time perhaps going to be Meat's last album I think he wanted to go out with a fun rock song hence decided to put it on after Forever Young.
Evil One
24 Sep 2010, 00:28
Not all songs need to have deep and meaningful lyrics. Compare a top notch, three course meal to a decent plate of fish and chips; both excellent in their own way.
Not according to this:
http://www.mlukfc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15634
What's at number 10 then? :weirdo:
Elijah's way
24 Sep 2010, 00:30
You forgot Los Angeloser. But it's not so much the songs I referred to. Do you remember this: http://www.mlukfc.com/forums/showthread.php?p=468003? That's what you said about people who said they didn't like a song.
No I didn't forget about Los Angeloser I do like that song I know you may think I'm contradicting myself but the things I said about it were about how much better the other songs are on the album accept Like A Rose, and that it was a bad choice for a single when you have songs like Song Of Madness, and Peace On Earth. And sorry but opinions change
I like Mercury and thought it was a nice surprise on CHSIB. I liked how they credited in the booklet "on the bumper". I was like :wtf: is that about until I got to the last tracks and found out about the hidden song. As it was at that time perhaps going to be Meat's last album I think he wanted to go out with a fun rock song hence decided to put it on after Forever Young.
yeah and at the end he was says "im gonna get e a real job!"
also, i think he truly felt that the MS Bat was is final bat he'd ever do for a camera.
AndrewG
24 Sep 2010, 00:36
also, i think he truly felt that the MS Bat was is final bat he'd ever do for a camera.
Hmmm I'm not sure about that (though I do know what you mean about the final pan-shot it's a stunning image of Meat at the end of Bat), during the CHSIB tour it emerged Meat was going to record Bat 3 (WITH Jim at that point) and he was talking about a two night stand type show thing across several cities to perform all Bat songs back to back. During the early months of 2004 he was at times annoyed with the reviews (mostly from here I think) and did threaten to quit but I doubt he really thought MSO was the last Bat performance ever.
Meat seems to go up and down in his thought process after shows but I'm not so sure he thinks those kinda negative things during shows. If you listen to the commentary track on MSO you can hear his excitement at getting out there to tour again which he did in 2005 even though there wasn't a record yet.
Elijah's way
24 Sep 2010, 00:47
Do you know when and by whom it was written? Obviously a large number of musicians have a different point of view, otherwise it wouldn't have been covered that often.
Yes it was written in 1949 by K. C. Douglas and Robert Geddins.
Did you just copy that from Wikipedia or do you really know the background to the song?
duke knooby
24 Sep 2010, 01:45
i can listen to mercury blues, but it doesn't move me.. i wouldn't go searching to hear it, but if i heard it, i wouldn't skip it. (though its VERY VERY rare chsib gets an outing from me)
bad for good, i first heard on audio cassette on the meat loaf and friends tape, and i liked it... got the bad for good cd, and still liked it... never loved it though... its not a particularly great song in my opinion.. and if i listened to bat 3 much (which i dont) it would usually get skipped.
i can listen to mercury blues, but it doesn't move me.. i wouldn't go searching to hear it, but if i heard it, i wouldn't skip it. (though its VERY VERY rare chsib gets an outing from me)
bad for good, i first heard on audio cassette on the meat loaf and friends tape, and i liked it... got the bad for good cd, and still liked it... never loved it though... its not a particularly great song in my opinion.. and if i listened to bat 3 much (which i dont) it would usually get skipped.
what meat cds do you listen to aha
duke knooby
24 Sep 2010, 01:52
what meat cds do you listen to aha
less and less since 07 on... theyre becoming more like a rare treat rather than the non stop staple they were... purely because the more recent stuff hasn't moved me as much as the earlier stuff... and the earlier stuff i played to death and it needed a rest (or i did)
currently dead ringer in the car though for about 6 days
PanicLord
24 Sep 2010, 02:01
I really like the way the loudness works on modern recordings. To me, it makes all the instruments and voices clear and distinct with none of the "fuzziness" of eg bat 2. on hctb I do find that this makes the first 7 songs quite exhausting to listen to as everything is so in your face.
But firstly, that to me is just part of what I like about the album and it suits both the songs and the story.
Secondly, it makes me appreciate dyels all the more, for the contrast and the brief welcome respite before the rocking starts again.
Bad For Good is a good song. None of my favorites but good. Could sound fantastic with proper arrangement, vocals and production.
less and less since 07 on... theyre becoming more like a rare treat rather than the non stop staple they were
Same here. :(
Elijah's way
24 Sep 2010, 02:31
Did you just copy that from Wikipedia or do you really know the background to the song?
Wikipedia :twisted:
That's what I suspected. :mrgreen: Explains why you complain about the "stupid lyrics" and "don't get why someone wrote a song about a crap car".
about mercury blues, trying to make this related to 3 bats as possible, the 3 bats DVD version i can see why youd hate it.
But i like it to the extent it should have been given a rest from 2007-2008.
The writing is great!
I mean you cant compare it to the writing in Steinman shit But its still excellent.
mercury's weakest moment was on the 3 Bats DVD. I really think it was unnecessary.
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AndrewG
24 Sep 2010, 03:01
mercury's weakest moment was on the 3 Bats DVD. I really think it was unnecessary.
Many don't like it, but I personally think it's a decent show and shows some good/average highlights from a "fluctuating in quality" tour. Obviously I would have preferred RAH on DVD (who wouldn't?!) but then there wouldn't have been any space for a cameraman from where many of us were standing. :lol:
mercury's weakest moment was on the 3 Bats DVD.
Let's forget that DVD that shows Meat in a pitiable state (and hope for a better, new DVD). Let's assume you had unlimited means to re-record Bad For Good. What would a perfect version of it sound like?
Let's forget that DVD that shows Meat in a pitiable state (and hope for a better, new DVD). Let's assume you had unlimited means to re-record Bad For Good. What would a perfect version of it sound like?
Jims version Instrumentation + bat 3 vocal (and repeated riffs). hands down.
AndrewG
24 Sep 2010, 03:11
Jims version Instrumentation + bat 3 vocal (and repeated riffs). hands down.
So you don't agree with Steve6 who thinks that the drums on Jim's BFG sucked and sound like pots and pans? I don't get what he is on about to be honest. I love the instrumentation and drum sound on Jim's whole album. For 1981 it's a fantastic production that still sounds modern to this day imo. :shrug:
So you don't agree with Steve6 who thinks that the drums on Jim's BFG sucked and sound like pots and pans? I don't get what he is on about to be honest. I love the instrumentation and drum sound on Jim's whole album. For 1981 it's a fantastic production that still sounds modern to this day imo. :shrug:
:yep: but its went the way of the dodo cause of money, ego, jealousy, stress, anger, and friendship (the six emotional lusts)
Evil One
24 Sep 2010, 10:30
Let's assume you had unlimited means to re-record Bad For Good. What would a perfect version of it sound like?
Jim's original arrangement, a Pandora's Box style sound and some top quality vocals from Meat.
Evil One
24 Sep 2010, 10:48
mercury's weakest moment was on the 3 Bats DVD. I really think it was unnecessary.
What exactly is wrong with it, apart from it not being as good as the MSO performance?
What exactly is wrong with it, apart from it not being as good as the MSO performance?
I just think theirs something a little "watery" about the drums and think it was a little outta place
So you don't agree with Steve6 who thinks that the drums on Jim's BFG sucked and sound like pots and pans? I don't get what he is on about to be honest. I love the instrumentation and drum sound on Jim's whole album. For 1981 it's a fantastic production that still sounds modern to this day imo. :shrug:
It's just how it sounded to me. I like Jim's version of BFG better than the one on BAT 3, but yeah the drums did sound like pots and pans. I thought it could have been better, but others may think different. Meat does a good job but I'm disappointed they got rid of the "Godspeed" part in the song.
I like Steinman's version of BFG. When I heard Meat was putting it on Bat3, I admit, I wondered if I would like it as much, but Meat took it on and I'm well pleased with the results. I like Meat's version more than Steinman's, but like Steinman's still.
Now, Left In The Dark ? Sorry. Steinman's I can't listen to. It's painful to me, but Meat's version is one of my all time favorite songs.
All imo.
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