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Old 30 May 2013, 00:33   #1
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Seems a bit daft to me that people ask Meat to sign something and then part with it immediately. I'd prefer to think of his signature on something as more of a personal touch really. Rather than something I could ever sell.

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Old 30 May 2013, 01:09   #2
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Seems a bit daft to me that people ask Meat to sign something and then part with it immediately. I'd prefer to think of his signature on something as more of a personal touch really. Rather than something I could ever sell.
Thats cause youre diehard. Most people get autographs for the coin involved. If I wasnt big into meat Id sell the sucker. Just cause money's money. And im a college student
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Thats cause youre diehard. Most people get autographs for the coin involved. If I wasnt big into meat Id sell the sucker. Just cause money's money. And im a college student
Some may do .. but MOST? You have no basis for that statement Warrio. You don't have to be "diehard" (whatever the f that means) to want to keep a signed item as a souvenir. If "most" people sold "the suckers" eBay would be awash with signed items .. thousands upon thousands.

It's like saying "everyone puts bootlegs on YT" .. another fallacy. Our of some 150,000 people who went to shows this tour, I doubt 200 bootlegs found their way to YT.

The tour programmes weren't being sold, and relatively few people would have got them signed imo. Meat wasn't signing things generally at the M&G, and after a show is generally too exhausted to do lengthy autograph sessions at the stage door in the freezing cold and damp.

I often wonder how genuine some of those being sold by specialists are. Selling signed photos for significant figures seems daft when you can buy one from Meat's site which you know is genuine. There will be quite a number of signed CDs around I guess from tours where Meat has given them as part of M&G packages, but most people don't go to several M&Gs.

Meat has very kindly signed a number of 12" album sleeves and CD inserts for us to sell to raise money for TPT .. and those ARE genuine

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Old 30 May 2013, 01:36   #4
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Some may do .. but MOST? You have no basis for that statement Warrio. You don't have to be "diehard" (whatever the f that means) to want to keep a signed item as a souvenir. If "most" people sold "the suckers" eBay would be awash with signed items .. thousands upon thousands.

It's like saying "everyone puts bootlegs on YT" .. another fallacy. Our of some 150,000 people who went to shows this tour, I doubt 200 bootlegs found their way to YT.

The tour programmes weren't being sold, and relatively few people would have got them signed imo. Meat wasn't signing things generally at the M&G, and after a show is generally too exhausted to do lengthy autograph sessions at the stage door in the freezing cold and damp.
Well actually my cousin is in the Ebay-Celebrity autograph selling business. Guess most wasnt the correct thing to say but ALOT of people sell the stuff. Its a huge huge community that does it. Hes told me most people sell. youll be surprised. More people find personal value in a picture and sell the autograph.
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Old 30 May 2013, 01:38   #5
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Well actually my cousin .... Hes told me most people sell. youll be surprised. More people find personal value in a picture and sell the autograph.
Then I query his use of the word "most" too!
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Old 30 May 2013, 01:46   #6
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Then I query his use of the word "most" too!
ya I know.... Personally tho i would sell something signed to me by someone famous. If I wasnt a huge huge fan of them. I mean economy these days.....
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Personally I wouldn't hang around trying to get something signed if I didn't value the artist and want to treasure it
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Old 30 May 2013, 04:12   #8
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More people find personal value in a picture and sell the autograph.
Funny that, just the other day I mentioned that photos with a famous person seem to be the more personal version of an autograph these days.

That's how I view it I guess also, to a point. As in, I don't mind a good autograph too

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Old 30 May 2013, 09:22   #9
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Funny that, just the other day I mentioned that photos with a famous person seem to be the more personal version of an autograph these days.
The only thing I ever get signed is my pics with Meat, not really interested in signed merch as it all ends up looking the same
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Old 30 May 2013, 09:41   #10
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I think it depends on what you have signed. I've got a couple of things that Meat has signed that mean far more to me than the photos that were taken at the M&G's. A lot of that might be down to the fact that out of four M&G's, I only have one photo that I don't think I look completely awful in.

Signed items and their sentimental value is a matter of personal preference, for some I guess they are just something that can be sold one day to make a bit of cash, to some others they may be something you'd never consider parting with for as long as you live.
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Old 30 May 2013, 09:57   #11
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Perhaps for some people it is just the thrill of the chase. You are in the right place at the right time and you get someone's autograph. You really don't care who the person is but if it is someone really famous is is a great story to tell your friends for a day or two and then selling the autographed item is a lovely little bonus! :) I've never been into autographs but the only one that I do have from Meat is very special to me and it isn't going anywhere!!!
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Old 30 May 2013, 10:18   #12
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The only thing I ever get signed is my pics with Meat, not really interested in signed merch as it all ends up looking the same
I agree with you there (diesnt stop me buying signed merch/getting autographs anyway, for some silly reason) but I meant getting pics with people, rather than getting autographs

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Old 30 May 2013, 13:58   #13
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The only thing I ever get signed is my pics with Meat, not really interested in signed merch as it all ends up looking the same
Or concert photos that I've personally taken of Meat But I have to admit it was also great having him personally autograph the cover of my
Storytellers DVD this summer because it was my first Meat Loaf DVD and the one that got me hooked on him and his music. And the autographed CHSIB LP
(signed during the HCTB tour) also looks great hanging on my wall because it's so rare
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Old 30 May 2013, 14:04   #14
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I have some signed CD's, mostly out of a 'collector's kinda view' although I don't really pay top prices for those. Usually normal CD prices.

I do however have a signed photobook with personal tour photo's from all the concerts I went to (excluding the last tour) which I am pretty found of. Meat signed it in London, february last year.

I'm going to redo the album with the pictures of the last concerts added and have to admit I would love if Meat would be willing to sign that one as well.

Just like Lucy's signed pictures it's more personal and therefor has more meaning to me than just random signed items
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Just like Lucy's signed pictures it's more personal and therefor has more meaning to me than just random signed items
Yes, I agree. Something personal to oneself, a piece of work one has done, something you've seen him sign .. all these are the most special. I'd add though that those of us who have been able to get these are lucky Not everyone can. And my signed copy of THAB which I got at a Storytellers show, know Meat signed, although not for me individually, is still treasured, even though I have been fortunate enough to have many other more personal items signed.
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Old 30 May 2013, 17:17   #16
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There's another one on auction, at 31 at the mo but it's a signed one
I bid for that one but was outbid in the end - by 25p
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Old 30 May 2013, 17:59   #17
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Seems a bit daft to me that people ask Meat to sign something and then part with it immediately. I'd prefer to think of his signature on something as more of a personal touch really. Rather than something I could ever sell.
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Thats cause youre diehard. Most people get autographs for the coin involved. If I wasnt big into meat Id sell the sucker. Just cause money's money. And im a college student
Unfortunatly there are plenty of people who only ask for autographs to sell them on.

I remember being in a record shop years ago where I am well known as a collector of Meat Loaf memorabillia.
The guy at the counter introduced me to a guy who was in the shop that day that worked in the kitchens of a hotel Meat stayed in when he was filming The 51st State.
The guy said he met Meat, who was really nice, and told him to bring stuff to the hotel for him to sign.
The guy brought (no joke) about 20 items into work, and true to his word, Meat siged each and every one.
The bloke told me they were all for sale and offered me an autograph for 25

I'm sure that's not what Meat had in mind when he kindly took the time to work his way through that stack of items

I didn't own a Meat Loaf autograph at the time, and I didn't buy one of the ones the bloke was selling.

For one, it left a bad taste in my mouth that he was being so mercenary about the items Meat took time to sign.
I think of an autograph given free of charge as a gift. Something personal from that person to you.
Selling it to a fan for cold hard cash seems a little, off

I'd like to think that if I had an autograph of someone, and it didn't mean much to me, i'd rather give it to a fan, someone who would really value it, free of charge rather than sell on a gift.
Saying that, if someone launched a ton of cash at me, I might review that stance
But i'd certainly never sell (or otherwise part with) an autograph of someone I count myself a fan of.

For another, it wouldn't mean as much to me as it wasn't obtained in person.
Plus, you can never guarentee the autograph is genuine.
The upshot is that I finally got to meet Meat at the Oxford Street signing, and he signed the cover of my vinyl copy of Bat. It's now in a gold frame on my wall, and there it will STAY while there is breath in my body



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I often wonder how genuine some of those being sold by specialists are.
But what about the certificate of authenticity?

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Well actually my cousin is in the Ebay-Celebrity autograph selling business. Guess most wasnt the correct thing to say but ALOT of people sell the stuff. Its a huge huge community that does it. Hes told me most people sell. youll be surprised. More people find personal value in a picture and sell the autograph.
It's big business alright.
While it's true many autographs come from fans, i'd say that most come from people who got an autograph because they were in the right place at the right time and got an autograph for the hell of it.
Another source of autographs is when they are sold on by the family when the original owner passes away.

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Personally I wouldn't hang around trying to get something signed if I didn't value the artist and want to treasure it
I can't see the sence in hanging round a stage door for a couple of hours in the rain just to get an autograph of someone you don't admire just to make a few quid

As a footnote to autograph mania, and i've probably mentioned this before, I used to have the weirdest dreams where I bumped into Meat in the strangest situations.
At the end of all these dreams, shortly before waking up, i'd think "I didn't get his autograph " and start kicking myself
Met Meat, got autograph, dreams stopped.
Weird huh
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Old 30 May 2013, 18:44   #18
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sorry meatloaf5 that was me , not too sure about that signature though
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Old 30 May 2013, 20:51   #19
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sorry meatloaf5 that was me , not too sure about that signature though
Hehehe not to worry, I`d set a max bid and there ya go.

It looked legit and and it is from the current tour, not really much time to get a copy done ...

Congrats anyway
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Old 31 May 2013, 00:50   #20
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I got Meat to sign a photo album for me once but oddly enough it doesn't mean that much to me. I think it's what has been said before: autographs get their importance to the owner if there are special memories connected to the moment of signing.
My book was signed by Meat who was still on the tourbus while I was busy not missing anything going on with the band at the same time. There was so much going on around me that I almost forgot that I gave it to whatwashername....Cheryl? Anyway, his assistant, so that she was waving my book in the air asking who it belonged to :)

If I should ever get so lucky to meet him again - I will decline any offer of signing something and rather ask for a handshake & a smile. Sounds cheesy but I really don't want a second signature to put in my collection.
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Old 31 May 2013, 12:41   #21
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Has anyone had any part of their person personally signed by Meat Loaf?
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Meat doesn't do skin! I can't count how many people I've seen ask him to sign a body part so they can have a tattoo done over it and he's said no...and I don't blame him!
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If I should ever get so lucky to meet him again - I will decline any offer of signing something and rather ask for a handshake & a smile. Sounds cheesy but I really don't want a second signature to put in my collection.
You know what, I'm entirely with you there. If I have to have something signed then I always choose a personal photo as I know it's something no-one else has, but honestly I'm not even that excited about all of those!

I've always opted to take photos to signing events purely because it would extremely socially awkward to approach Meat at a signing table with nothing to be signed, but at events where he can't sign things (like this tour's M&Gs) it doesn't bother me one little bit, I'd much rather come away with the memories and a brilliant photo than something signed.
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Meat doesn't do skin! I can't count how many people I've seen ask him to sign a body part so they can have a tattoo done over it and he's said no...and I don't blame him!
I don't blame him either. It could get a bit messy.
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Meat doesn't do skin! I can't count how many people I've seen ask him to sign a body part so they can have a tattoo done over it and he's said no...and I don't blame him!
Nor me! Wouldn't even ask .. Love him to death, but that would be like branding!

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If I should ever get so lucky to meet him again - I will decline any offer of signing something and rather ask for a handshake & a smile.
Like you and Lucy, if he's not offering to sign things it really wouldn't bother me. It's just lovely to have a few words, a smile, and a hug or fist bump depending on how he's feeling about germs!

But I've had him sign most of the calendars I've produced, and he's usually personalised his signature. Those are very special to me, so were the opportunity to arise? Yes, I'd ask him to sign next year's
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