John!

Couch Potato · 20 May 2008, 14:06

Just a quick one, this may have already been asked but, has anyone any ideas why John is not used very ofter for Studio recording?

meatloaf-unofficial · 20 May 2008, 14:39

good question. perhpas he's busy doing other projects or just preferes to be doing live drumming than to studio drumming

Deb · 20 May 2008, 14:45

Or perhaps he does get used

just not always credited

meatloaf-unofficial · 20 May 2008, 15:21

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Originally Posted by Deb

Or perhaps he does get used

just not always credited

I thought though, when you do any cd, like I'm experiencing, you have to credit everyone, don't you??

Deb · 20 May 2008, 15:27

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Originally Posted by meatloaf-unofficial

don't you??

Ross If i'd of thought that I wouldn't have said otherwise would I

meatloaf-unofficial · 20 May 2008, 15:29

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Originally Posted by Deb

Ross If i'd of thought that I wouldn't have said otherwise would I

Oh yeah, you prob would of. Sorry been a long morning - I've had Higher Maths. It was bloomin' awful!! Everyone thought it was really hard... (I need a miracle to pass)

djfierce · 20 May 2008, 15:30

the music industry is and has always been full of little and big injustices. I guess this is one of those things musicians just get on with

**allrevvedup** · 20 May 2008, 17:07

who knows who gets credited for what...Clapton played on a number of Beatles songs without getting credit for it.

I think Kenny Aronoff is renouned for being one of the best studio drummers around so maybe it's just simply a case of when he's available he's first choice for the studio.

Doesn't John have his own Drumming school?

Deb · 20 May 2008, 17:09

No John hasn't got his own drumming school. But he has taught at drum schools in the past

**allrevvedup** · 20 May 2008, 17:29

ah that must be where I got it from...i knew I partially read a tour programme for a reason!

Couch Potato · 20 May 2008, 17:42

I did once read somewhere he had a school in new York!! Iam certain it was in the 99 best of tour programme!
Id love to be a studio drummer.
Clapton never played on any beatles numbers, he did however play on some lennon material and harrison stuff but never any beatles numbers!

Deb · 20 May 2008, 17:47

Couch Potato, You did see that he taught in the 99 tour book, but it didn't say it was his

Couch Potato · 20 May 2008, 17:57

Thanks Deb...

Are the books said above available? Sounds interesting!

Deb · 20 May 2008, 18:01

Actually one of them will be available VERY soon through John's website

off the top of my head I think it's the 'Sticking in the foot' one

I've been waiting for these books to become available for yrs so am VERY excited about them being available soon

Deb

Couch Potato · 20 May 2008, 18:05

Any ideas if its a technique book? Sorry to be a pain

evil nickname · 20 May 2008, 18:15

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Originally Posted by Couch Potato

Any ideas if its a technique book? Sorry to be a pain

As the tourbook says "drum instruction books", I'd say yes.

**allrevvedup** · 20 May 2008, 18:26

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Originally Posted by Couch Potato

I did once read somewhere he had a school in new York!! Iam certain it was in the 99 best of tour programme!
Id love to be a studio drummer.
Clapton never played on any beatles numbers, he did however play on some lennon material and harrison stuff but never any beatles numbers!

from wiki...which i admit is to take it with a pinch of salt

"The close friendship between Clapton and Harrison resulted in Clapton's playing on Harrison's "While My Guitar Gently Weeps" from the Beatles' White Album"

**RadioMaster** · 20 May 2008, 20:54

and to the original question:

maybe he isnt used on records often because he isnt good enough ....

Debbie is gonna kill me now lol

(just kidding btw)

Deb · 20 May 2008, 21:01

I used to like you Renardo

AndrewG · 20 May 2008, 21:57

If there is a reason other than not being available I don't think it is a matter of being not good enough more so just specialised in a different area I'd say. Playing live and playing in the studio are just different things, maybe John does not even want to do this on like 15 songs, who knows. Some people apparently cringe at the thought of being a session/studio musician. Even Meat has said on numerous occasions he hates working in the studio, obviously he can't be swapped! Interestingly Steinman never wanted to use the band members on the albums and this was one of the reasons that caused a rift between Meat and Jim in the late 70s/early 80s.
Also other band members (Eddie Martinez, Tim Pierce etc etc) get swapped all the time on Meat's albums as is the case with most other artists really. Only if we are talking bands is the line up usually the same in the studio and live, that's why they are bands and not individual artists obviously.

djfierce · 20 May 2008, 22:07

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Originally Posted by Deb

I used to like you Renardo

It's ok Deb he's coming to stay with me soon, i'll corner him for ya

either that or my car might accidently end up in stevenage when i pick him up from the coach station

duke knooby · 20 May 2008, 23:19

chip bailey is the best

Couch Potato · 21 May 2008, 10:36

I presonaly think John is a great drummer live, ive seen many good drummers, Steve Gadd being one of them, but maybe John is'nt suited to much studio work.I know being in a studio is a pain, esp when its 4/5 weeks running going over and over the same songs!
But with regards to bands/solo artistes Clapton uses the same band in the studio as he does live most of the time, I guess it preferences on the performer and the musician.
I am sure there is a valid reason, maybe John could answer himself?!

Deb · 21 May 2008, 10:46

John does do plenty of studio work. For Meat and many other artists. I guess it's just a job people get paid for and don't always get credit for.

But yep John answering would be cool

I think i heard somewhere he has plans for a chat at some point soon. So maybe you could join in and ask him yourself

For me John is the best drummer live and in the studio

Infact he's the best full stop

And yes Anji a detour with Renardo would be good

Battybarb · 21 May 2008, 18:35

LOL...LOL...

20 May 2008, 14:06	#1
Couch Potato DrumBum Join Date: 27.09.2006 Posts: 342	John! Just a quick one, this may have already been asked but, has anyone any ideas why John is not used very ofter for Studio recording?

20 May 2008, 21:57	#20
AndrewG I hope your salmon sucks! Join Date: 18.01.2004 Location: Northamptonshire Posts: 7,077	If there is a reason other than not being available I don't think it is a matter of being not good enough more so just specialised in a different area I'd say. Playing live and playing in the studio are just different things, maybe John does not even want to do this on like 15 songs, who knows. Some people apparently cringe at the thought of being a session/studio musician. Even Meat has said on numerous occasions he hates working in the studio, obviously he can't be swapped! Interestingly Steinman never wanted to use the band members on the albums and this was one of the reasons that caused a rift between Meat and Jim in the late 70s/early 80s. Also other band members (Eddie Martinez, Tim Pierce etc etc) get swapped all the time on Meat's albums as is the case with most other artists really. Only if we are talking bands is the line up usually the same in the studio and live, that's why they are bands and not individual artists obviously. Last edited by AndrewG; 20 May 2008 at 22:03.

20 May 2008, 14:39	#2
meatloaf-unofficial Mega Loafer Join Date: 06.02.2006 Location: Touring the Country Posts: 2,558	good question. perhpas he's busy doing other projects or just preferes to be doing live drumming than to studio drumming

20 May 2008, 14:45	#3
Deb Mega Loafer Join Date: 26.04.2003 Location: Did I say that?... Posts: 4,162	Or perhaps he does get used just not always credited

20 May 2008, 15:30	#7
djfierce Mega Loafer Join Date: 15.06.2005 Location: Posts: 3,596	the music industry is and has always been full of little and big injustices. I guess this is one of those things musicians just get on with

20 May 2008, 17:07	#8
allrevvedup "Most things that i worry about, never happen anyway" Join Date: 29.11.2003 Location: Liverpool Posts: 5,349	who knows who gets credited for what...Clapton played on a number of Beatles songs without getting credit for it. I think Kenny Aronoff is renouned for being one of the best studio drummers around so maybe it's just simply a case of when he's available he's first choice for the studio. Doesn't John have his own Drumming school?

20 May 2008, 17:09	#9
Deb Mega Loafer Join Date: 26.04.2003 Location: Did I say that?... Posts: 4,162	No John hasn't got his own drumming school. But he has taught at drum schools in the past

20 May 2008, 17:29	#10
allrevvedup "Most things that i worry about, never happen anyway" Join Date: 29.11.2003 Location: Liverpool Posts: 5,349	ah that must be where I got it from...i knew I partially read a tour programme for a reason!

20 May 2008, 17:42	#11
Couch Potato DrumBum Join Date: 27.09.2006 Posts: 342	I did once read somewhere he had a school in new York!! Iam certain it was in the 99 best of tour programme! Id love to be a studio drummer. Clapton never played on any beatles numbers, he did however play on some lennon material and harrison stuff but never any beatles numbers!

20 May 2008, 17:47	#12
Deb Mega Loafer Join Date: 26.04.2003 Location: Did I say that?... Posts: 4,162	Couch Potato, You did see that he taught in the 99 tour book, but it didn't say it was his

20 May 2008, 17:57	#13
Couch Potato DrumBum Join Date: 27.09.2006 Posts: 342	Thanks Deb... Are the books said above available? Sounds interesting!

20 May 2008, 18:01	#14
Deb Mega Loafer Join Date: 26.04.2003 Location: Did I say that?... Posts: 4,162	Actually one of them will be available VERY soon through John's website off the top of my head I think it's the 'Sticking in the foot' one I've been waiting for these books to become available for yrs so am VERY excited about them being available soon Deb

20 May 2008, 18:05	#15
Couch Potato DrumBum Join Date: 27.09.2006 Posts: 342	Any ideas if its a technique book? Sorry to be a pain

20 May 2008, 20:54	#18
RadioMaster The German Join Date: 11.03.2006 Location: some kind of hunting lodge for rich weirdos... Posts: 15,778	and to the original question: maybe he isnt used on records often because he isnt good enough .... Debbie is gonna kill me now lol (just kidding btw)

20 May 2008, 21:01	#19
Deb Mega Loafer Join Date: 26.04.2003 Location: Did I say that?... Posts: 4,162	I used to like you Renardo

20 May 2008, 23:19	#22
duke knooby Mega Loafer Join Date: 24.06.2005 Location: belfast Posts: 17,870	chip bailey is the best

21 May 2008, 10:36	#23
Couch Potato DrumBum Join Date: 27.09.2006 Posts: 342	I presonaly think John is a great drummer live, ive seen many good drummers, Steve Gadd being one of them, but maybe John is'nt suited to much studio work.I know being in a studio is a pain, esp when its 4/5 weeks running going over and over the same songs! But with regards to bands/solo artistes Clapton uses the same band in the studio as he does live most of the time, I guess it preferences on the performer and the musician. I am sure there is a valid reason, maybe John could answer himself?!

21 May 2008, 10:46	#24
Deb Mega Loafer Join Date: 26.04.2003 Location: Did I say that?... Posts: 4,162	John does do plenty of studio work. For Meat and many other artists. I guess it's just a job people get paid for and don't always get credit for. But yep John answering would be cool I think i heard somewhere he has plans for a chat at some point soon. So maybe you could join in and ask him yourself For me John is the best drummer live and in the studio Infact he's the best full stop And yes Anji a detour with Renardo would be good

21 May 2008, 18:35	#25
Battybarb Nutty Tart From Hell Join Date: 25.05.2007 Location: liverpool Posts: 8,390	LOL...LOL...