122. Stand In The Storm

[White of High]

This is the START OUT OF HELL & ARRIVE TO HEAVEN topic.
Let's Go to Rock 'n' Roll!!!!!!!

Stand In The Storm (6)

I don't call rap as music but Stand In The Storm is not bad. I like the 80ies guitar feeling intro. Meat is not bad and guest stars either. The rap part is okay, Lil John finishes at beat unlike Chuck D in Mad Mad World (he was out of rhythm). I still don't understand why rap has a place on a Meat album but it's so much better than Mad Mad World.

Lyrics is nothing to me, as a song... a little bit better than average, perhaps strange.

My score: 6

[CarylB]

I loved Stand in the Storm when it was first released as a single. The way the different musical styles are blended together is outstanding, and the message in the lyrics, which then reflected the experience of Team Backbone, have a perfect fit with what HIAH is about. I love the concept of determination, standing up and fighting for what you think is right, and doing it with others in collaboration. Lil John's rap is integrated beautifully.

I cannot agree that rap isn't music. It comes from a different culture, and generally does not appeal to my taste, so much of it seeming so angry and defiant without any hope or beauty that I can see .. but that probably speaks of my background and culture, very different to that which gave birth to rap, and my ignorance of the genre and my limitations. In SITS again I find a rap that doesn't seem deviod of music, and isn't simply angry and without hope.

The track production provides a great musical ground to a strong message that we can be determined in standing up and fighting for what we believe in without be distracted by whatever crap is going down aaround us. The insistent rhythms in rap do convey anger and defiance, and imo HIAH needs some of this, and Meat has a sure sense of where it fits and enriches the album. I like the newer version even more .. the lift in key brings Meat's voice through even better than on the original. Great music, great lyrics, impeccable production and strong vocals from Meat .. so because I enjoy every part of it, would never skip it, and it opened the door and gave me an insight into a musical genre I had always dismissed from a position of ignorance ..

10

[allrevvedup]

I much preferred the Australian release version to the original one I'd heard during CA.

It's one of the better tracks on the album so it gets a 7

[RSG]

Real driven song. I remember being so happy the day I first heard it, sounds completely natural to me :)

off topic, I reccomend K-Os (Canada) for a broader/positive Hip Hop music listening experience. I bought all his records, I say for first time listeners Joyful Rebellion be a good start follow by Atlantis Hymns of Disco.

[glamourgirl]

I'm not sure how I would rate the album version because I don't listen to this song quite as much as the other songs. I think some songs work better as live performances.
I would give the live performance of SITS a 10. Meat and Patti sounded amazing and the Lil Jon video was great too. I was blown away by the live version (and that was just from watching a YT video). I'm really looking forward to seeing this one on tour.

[Wario]

JR version: 8/10
Trace Adkins version: 10/10

Fantastic rocker...

[JennaG]

There are elements I like to both versions of this song.

On a whole, my favourite version would be the International version as I just prefer the sound of it and I think Meat also sounds more comfortable with the song. However I don't like the Trace Adkins part. I'm not a fan of his voice and prefer that verse sang by John Rich as it was on the single release and the Australian release.

[Meat Loaf_fan]

Originally Posted by White of High

Lyrics is nothing to me

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Anyway - I like Trace Adkins version. Why? Maybe because his voice is more rockier than John Rich. But this is country part! Yes, but the song is rock so he (TA) fits better into the concept.

My score : 9/10

[BostonAngel]

I loved this song from the first time i heard it. Love both the John Rich and Trace Adkins versions. It always gets me pumped up and motivated. 10 from me

[Evil One]

John Rich version: 5
Trace Adkins version: 2

[PanicLord]

5 - never quite gets going for me, and I'm sorry but I just can't stand the rap part, even though I liked it on Mad Mad World - on that song, the madness of including rap in the middle of the bonkersness works brilliantly, but I have to skip it every time here.

[ninja]

love this song so much, because it is so powerful and energetic. love the outstanding intro and can't get enough of the outro, especially the last sentence "storm's coming" - so fantastic!!! - and meat's voice is stunning!!!

[Adje]

I never hide the fact that I really dislike this song. I just can't stand to hear it. I know loads of you disagree but this is my opinion of course

No matter how hard I try, I can't give this (any version) more then a 2

[Sarge]

Originally Posted by Adje

I never hide the fact that I really dislike this song. I just can't stand to hear it.

Same here. The only thing that I like are Meat Loaf's vocals (Australian release; I don't know what the UK/US version sounds like) but that's not enough to make me appreciate the song. There are too many things that deter me from listening to it again. One of the Meat Loaf recordings that I avoid.

[Elijah's way]

I HATE this song!!! It is a complete mess, what was Meat and company thinking?!? 0/10 for both versions

[Mr. Happy]

I really, really dislike the Trace Adkins version. I'm sort of...meh, it's ok...towards Lil John's bit in general. I don't mind the rest of the song on the Australian release.

So...I guess a 6 fits

[Cherry.Loaf]

I get the two singers confused so I'll just say:

Aus:8/10

UK/US/Rest of world: 4/10

[CarylB]

Originally Posted by Elijah's way

what was Meat and company thinking?!?

Only they can say with 100% accuracy .. but as you've asked the question here and Meat doesn't seem likely to reply these days, it's not posted on Paul's thread, and may not be intended as a rhetorical comment, I'll give it a go.

I'd say that when the song was first recorded they may well have thought it a good collaborative way of raising money for their charities, encapsulated their experiences on CA and blended their different musical styles well. As to including it on the album, he may have been thinking it had a great fit with the theme of the album, that many of us would like it (as seems to be the case), and there may be the possibility it also added a little to TPT's coffers?



Caryl

[Dave]

I wish I could find myself to be close minded enough to make the blanket statement that I simply do not like an entire genre of any form of art. I simply cannot do it. My intellect and thirst for knowledge always has me on the prowl for new and refreshing sounds for my auditory palate to savor. I have found amazing gems in rock, country, rap, and even in the world of electronica and pretty much everything in between - and yes...there is a lot of junk out there too all across the board and across the musical genre universe.

There are two rap segments on this album, which serve to continue the message of the music. Why keep a narrow focus on one actor to convey the importance of the content of this album when you can blossom this into an ensemble piece to more fully explore the themes of this piece. To make a comment like "I don't like the rap bits" is about as ignorant as saying "I like that photograph except the mountain in the background" the mountain and the rap are both parts of the piece.

I will just #SMH at individuals who are close minded in regard to artistic appreciation. To say your auditory palate does not appreciate the flavors of the music is one thing, but to say it should not be there...that is a horse of a different color.

[Vickip]

Originally Posted by Dave

I wish I could find myself to be close minded enough to make the blanket statement that I simply do not like an entire genre of any form of art. I simply cannot do it. My intellect and thirst for knowledge always has me on the prowl for new and refreshing sounds for my auditory palate to savor. I have found amazing gems in rock, country, rap, and even in the world of electronica and pretty much everything in between - and yes...there is a lot of junk out there too all across the board and across the musical genre universe.

There are two rap segments on this album, which serve to continue the message of the music. Why keep a narrow focus on one actor to convey the importance of the content of this album when you can blossom this into an ensemble piece to more fully explore the themes of this piece. To make a comment like "I don't like the rap bits" is about as ignorant as saying "I like that photograph except the mountain in the background" the mountain and the rap are both parts of the piece.

I will just #SMH at individuals who are close minded in regard to artistic appreciation. To say your auditory palate does not appreciate the flavors of the music is one thing, but to say it should not be there...that is a horse of a different color.

[Adje]

Originally Posted by Dave

To make a comment like "I don't like the rap bits" is about as ignorant as saying "I like that photograph except the mountain in the background" the mountain and the rap are both parts of the piece.

Good post except for this part.
It's not ignorant at all (That's why photoshop is so poulair on pictures, for example)

A picture could look better with a different background. The picture can be beautiful, great moment of catching a face... but damn that garbage truck in the back destroys the mood a bit. Let's remove the garbage truck and put in a fitting background and voila the picture is suddenly close to perfect!

Same goes for the music. A song can have a part that ruins the rest of the song for a person. In this song it could be the rap bit. So for some people this song could be great without that rap bit. An edited version could have scored better. But instead they have a song they are really getting into and then BAM suddenly you get a part or style that gets you out of the enjoying mood you were getting into. Damn, great song but that part really sucks.

That said, even without the rap part this song wouldn't have done much for me. But I can see people feeling that way

[Dave]

Originally Posted by Adje

A picture could look better with a different background. The picture can be beautiful, great moment of catching a face... but damn that garbage truck in the back destroys the mood a bit. Let's remove the garbage truck and put in a fitting background and voila the picture is suddenly close to perfect!

....and you have changed the story the photo is telling. The rap bits are part f the original photo, along with the garbage truck in the background. Let's "clean up" the song by removing the rap or clean up the photo by removing the garbage truck - you have changed the story of the art.

That being said, I am a HUGE fan of digital manipulation. I love the fact anyone with an iPhone can snap an HD photograph and manipulate it into something that looks extremely impressive with apps like Instagram. I am jealous of this technology - used to spend hours working with desktop applications and never got the amazing looks you can get with a single tap in Instagram. I manipulate photos like it is my job, but know I am changing the story when I do so.

There is an anecdote that fits this conversation...

Everyone looks fabulous until their free trial of Photoshop runs out....

[Adje]

Originally Posted by Dave

Let's "clean up" the song by removing the rap or clean up the photo by removing the garbage truck - you have changed the story of the art.

True, absolutely agree with you there.

I was merely talking on how it looks/sounds in the eye of the beholder. And sometimes 'changing the art' is an improvement for that beholder. I never said it represents the view of the artist anymore. That's a complete different story

All I wanted to point out is that changing or removing a part for your own enjoyment does not mean someone is being ignorant

[Wario]

You can dislike listening to a genre of music. You can't hate its existence.

If you dont liek the rap part of a song it cant totally demolish the song for you.

No song deserves a "0/10" especially a Meat Loaf one. The fact Meat and Paul took the time to record and mix the suckeraand teh time lil Jon took to make the rap sound the way it does automatically constitutes a 2/10.

Its their story not ours. You dont buy a book you really like and rip out a chapter you hate. you suffer trhough teh chapter yo uhate to get a good understanding of the story you love.

[olblueeyes]

John Rich version - 6/10
Trace Adkins version - 8/10
If Patti had recorded it with Meat - 9 (maybe 10)

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