Rank the Songs Greatest To Least: Jim Steinman's Bad For Good - Page 5

Steve6 · 13 Sep 2010, 15:20

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Originally Posted by AndrewG

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out what Jim was doing was trying to write a Bat sequel or copy with BFG.
BFG -> copy/sequel to Bat
Pants -> copy/sequel to Paradise
Left in The Dark -> copy/sequel to 2 out of Three / For Crying Out Loud
Lost Boys & Golden Girls -> copy/sequel to Heaven Can Wait
Stark Raving Love and/or Frying Pan could perhaps even be considered a sequel to All Revved Up.

He probaly was because it's what everyone wanted, and it's probaly what he wanted to. But I don't think BFG is anything like BOOH if anything it's more like Bruce Springsteen's "Born to Run". Left in the Dark isn't really like Two Out of Three, it's a very very dark track, almost a suicidal one. Lost Boys and Heaven are similar alright.

*AndyK* · 13 Sep 2010, 15:23

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Originally Posted by AndrewG

That is a great live version imo. Thanks for posting. Must have been great but weird at the same time hearing Meat doing a pretty much completely unknown song.

The buzz of excitement was still there when I heard that Meat was performing Bad For Good and Dance In My Pants. Back in those days before the internet we had to rely on getting a phone call the day after a show from someone who had attended to get a set list update, or as a worst case a letter a few days later.

AndrewG · 13 Sep 2010, 15:24

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Originally Posted by Steve6

Left in the Dark isn't really like Two Out of Three, it's a very very dark track, almost a suicidal one.

Someone needing you and wanting you but not loving you wouldn't drive a person to suicide would it?

Meat recently commented how funny he thought it was that 2 out of 3 was played at people's weddings. Indeed it's crazy really.

Wario · 13 Sep 2010, 15:40

Whats more of a straight up fraud of 2 outta three is "why isnt that enough?"

Left in the dark is a betrayal song. a song you play when you feel betrayed or lonely. Its actually a very suicidal track, like Steve said.

I thought the only "clones" on BFG were DIMP (paradise wannabe) and Stark Raving Love (which is in the realm of Took the Words)

i see no similarities between BFG and Bat.

AndrewG · 13 Sep 2010, 15:47

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Originally Posted by WarioLoaf

Left in the dark is a betrayal song. a song you play when you feel betrayed or lonely. Its actually a very suicidal track, like Steve said.

Someone being needed and wanted (perhaps "used") but not loved can also be considered as a form of betrayal in my opinion. The ideas are very similar but the songs entirely different. I still maintain Jim tried to stick closely to the same themes on that record as he knew those things worked going by Bat but then they forgot about the main ingredient as they got big headed.

Left in The Dark could almost be considered as the other person's point of you if you first listen to 2 out of 3. It could have been a woman who had someone she did love, who kicked the guy out, who is now left in the dark, feels cheated on and is now driven to suicide. Who knows, maybe the guy's name was Patrick.

Pudding · 14 Sep 2010, 00:02

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Originally Posted by MeatGrl1

No I am not !!
Please don't make me out to be a total idiot, I don't appreciate it !!
I have an audio of the live thing but now I wish I had kept my mouth shut

!!

I know some of the greatest Steinman song collectors around and they've never heard of such a thing. No one's calling you a total idiot, but maybe you're mistaken with the date?

samurai7 · 14 Sep 2010, 04:03

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Originally Posted by AndrewG

In my opinion not until Total Eclipse did we get something COMPLETELY new from Steinman.

Yet that itself wasn't COMPLETELY new, as it pre-dated BFG by a year; an infant version of the tune appeared on the soundtrack to the film 'A Small Circle of Friends' in 1980, along with early (instrumental) versions of 'Making Love...' and 'Loving You's a Dirty Job'.

Wario · 14 Sep 2010, 04:08

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Originally Posted by MeatGrl1

No I am not !!
Please don't make me out to be a total idiot, I don't appreciate it !!
I have an audio of the live thing but now I wish I had kept my mouth shut

!!

I hope you have the will power to post it on youtube for everyone to hear and love

Julie in the rv mirror · 14 Sep 2010, 05:15

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Originally Posted by AndrewG

Left in The Dark could almost be considered as the other person's point of you if you first listen to 2 out of 3. It could have been a woman who had someone she did love, who kicked the guy out, who is now left in the dark, feels cheated on and is now driven to suicide. Who knows, maybe the guy's name was Patrick.

She didn't kick him out- he's sneaking in the door- he's guilty. She (he) HAS been betrayed...she's angry and hurting... she wants to know everything, but she doesn't really want to know...at least not now, because right now she just wants to feel loved, so she'll put that aside...she'd rather be oblivious...left in the dark. Not suicidal, necessarily; she wants to feel... something.

It's all right there.

And I've always thought that "I bet you've still got a trace of his love in your eyes and you've still got his eyes on your mind" is one of the best lines ever written.

Wario · 14 Sep 2010, 05:18

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Originally Posted by Julie in the rv mirror

She didn't kick him out- he's sneaking in the door- he's guilty. She (he) HAS been betrayed...she's angry and hurting... she wants to know everything, but she doesn't really want to know...at least not now, because right now she just wants to feel loved, so she'll put that aside...she'd rather be oblivious...left in the dark. Not suicidal, necessarily; she wants to feel... something.

It's all right there.

And I've always thought that "I bet you've still got a trace of his love in your eyes and you've still got his eyes on your mind" is one of the best lines ever written.

I love how you say "she" instead of "they" when the two versions i heard men sing it lol

Pudding · 14 Sep 2010, 05:54

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Originally Posted by WarioLoaf

I love how you say "she" instead of "they" when the two versions i heard men sing it lol

Try this for size then

YouTube Video

And there's also a Swedish version by Cecilia Vennersten called Lämnad i mörkret.

Wario · 14 Sep 2010, 06:00

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Originally Posted by Pudding

Try this for size then

okay thats three versions by men now that ive heard

Pudding · 14 Sep 2010, 06:06

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Originally Posted by WarioLoaf

okay thats three versions by men now that ive heard

LMFAO

Julie in the rv mirror · 14 Sep 2010, 06:18

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Originally Posted by WarioLoaf

I love how you say "she" instead of "they" when the two versions i heard men sing it lol

I was responding to Andrew's post- he used "she". And, I have heard Babs' version before; don't care for it that much. I do like the video, though- the Kris Kristofferson cameo is cool.

GDW · 14 Sep 2010, 11:02

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Originally Posted by WarioLoaf

okay thats three versions by men now that ive heard

Looks a lot like Barry Manilow to me. With a bit longer hair.

Jayd · 14 Sep 2010, 16:05

That Streisand version is awful, like Manilow's Read em and Weep, weep I wanted to do after listening to his version.

A Slice Of English · 14 Sep 2010, 16:22

Quite a few people actually like the Manilow version. Think it was on his Greatest Hits album or something. I would love for some re-recorded versions of those 80's tracks to be done in the future. I would love a new Meat version of Read 'Em And Weep.

daveake · 14 Sep 2010, 16:30

I actually own the picture disc version of this ...

Can't play it of course ... the nose snags on the base of the pick-up arm

*AndyK* · 14 Sep 2010, 16:39

Dave you've gone down in my estimation, there are some discs that need to remain out of even the most ardent collectors collection!

daveake · 14 Sep 2010, 16:43

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Originally Posted by AndyK

Dave you've gone down in my estimation, there are some discs that need to remain out of even the most ardent collectors collection!

So, you've got one too?

*AndyK* · 14 Sep 2010, 16:45

Nope. I bit the bullet and bought a 7" copy of Streisand's Left In The Dark (13p from ebay if I remember rightly!). But Barry's Read 'Em And Weep travesty will not cross the boundaries of any property I own!

GDW · 14 Sep 2010, 18:20

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Originally Posted by AndyK

Nope. I bit the bullet and bought a 7" copy of Streisand's Left In The Dark (13p from ebay if I remember rightly!). But Barry's Read 'Em And Weep travesty will not cross the boundaries of any property I own!

So you rent then.

GDW · 14 Sep 2010, 18:24

By the way. Who's do you think is bigger?

Steve6 · 14 Sep 2010, 18:36

Barry's version of "Read'em and Weep"" is pretty damn good, but I'd much prefer Meat's version. To many instruments making an annoying racket in Barry's version, and it takes away from the lyrics and vocals. Never liked Barbara Streisand's version of LEFT IN THE DARK. That song should only be sung by a man. I'm not being sexist, but it should.

Wario · 14 Sep 2010, 20:57

well IFWQ was sung by a woman originally. Same with good Girls, future, and IACBTMN.

and i think left in the dark can be sung by a woman if, lets say, Miley Cyrus took a stab at it.

As for barry, i hate him for RAW. hes the reason Meat refuses to play it live....

13 Sep 2010, 15:40	#104
Wario Monstro helps me spell things... Join Date: 05.01.2007 Location: Masculine, Pennsylvania Posts: 9,105	Whats more of a straight up fraud of 2 outta three is "why isnt that enough?" Left in the dark is a betrayal song. a song you play when you feel betrayed or lonely. Its actually a very suicidal track, like Steve said. I thought the only "clones" on BFG were DIMP (paradise wannabe) and Stark Raving Love (which is in the realm of Took the Words) i see no similarities between BFG and Bat.

14 Sep 2010, 16:05	#116
Jayd If I could bust into hell....... I would Join Date: 13.06.2003 Location: Montclair, New Jersey Posts: 1,312	That Streisand version is awful, like Manilow's Read em and Weep, weep I wanted to do after listening to his version.

14 Sep 2010, 16:22	#117
A Slice Of English Guest Join Date: 10.11.2003 Posts: 1,258	Quite a few people actually like the Manilow version. Think it was on his Greatest Hits album or something. I would love for some re-recorded versions of those 80's tracks to be done in the future. I would love a new Meat version of Read 'Em And Weep.

14 Sep 2010, 16:30	#118
daveake 200% is the new 110% Join Date: 13.03.2005 Location: Newbury Posts: 2,983	I actually own the picture disc version of this ... Can't play it of course ... the nose snags on the base of the pick-up arm

14 Sep 2010, 16:39	#119
AndyK Relentless Join Date: 21.11.2003 Location: Over the top..... seeing what's on the other side Posts: 18,694	Dave you've gone down in my estimation, there are some discs that need to remain out of even the most ardent collectors collection!

14 Sep 2010, 16:45	#121
AndyK Relentless Join Date: 21.11.2003 Location: Over the top..... seeing what's on the other side Posts: 18,694	Nope. I bit the bullet and bought a 7" copy of Streisand's Left In The Dark (13p from ebay if I remember rightly!). But Barry's Read 'Em And Weep travesty will not cross the boundaries of any property I own!

14 Sep 2010, 18:24	#123
GDW Super Loafer Join Date: 26.03.2010 Location: Perth Posts: 984	By the way. Who's do you think is bigger?

14 Sep 2010, 18:36	#124
Steve6 Batman Join Date: 28.11.2005 Location: Ireland Posts: 1,690	Barry's version of "Read'em and Weep"" is pretty damn good, but I'd much prefer Meat's version. To many instruments making an annoying racket in Barry's version, and it takes away from the lyrics and vocals. Never liked Barbara Streisand's version of LEFT IN THE DARK. That song should only be sung by a man. I'm not being sexist, but it should.

14 Sep 2010, 20:57	#125
Wario Monstro helps me spell things... Join Date: 05.01.2007 Location: Masculine, Pennsylvania Posts: 9,105	well IFWQ was sung by a woman originally. Same with good Girls, future, and IACBTMN. and i think left in the dark can be sung by a woman if, lets say, Miley Cyrus took a stab at it. As for barry, i hate him for RAW. hes the reason Meat refuses to play it live....