02 Nov 2016, 11:25 | #26 | |
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What if Steinman had been more prominent in the advertising for Bat? What if Meat hadn't lost his voice? Would Meat Loaf "Bad for good" had been a massive hit? Would "Dead ringer" have been the third album with a few different songs? What if Meat and Jim had made "Bat 2" in the 80s? What if Meat and Jim had done another album together in the 90s? What if Meat and Jim had done "Bat 3" with songs like "Braver than we are" "Not allowed to love" "Body" "Still the children" etc. etc.? Would THAT "Bat 3" have been more successful as well or the same? Because we live in different times? And why did people respond to "Bat 2" sixteen years after "Bat" but not to "Bat 3"? It just goes on and on and on and on.... In the end, what ISN'T there just makes what IS there all the more powerful to me, and emotional too, making me think of that line Jim wrote too, "If only are the loneliest words you'll ever know." |
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02 Nov 2016, 12:59 | #27 |
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Be interesting to hear from Jim. Though my principles forbid me to click on anything from the Daily Hate Mail.
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02 Nov 2016, 15:13 | #28 |
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Jim always strikes me as a bit of a ~~~~ tease where Meat is concerned
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03 Nov 2016, 02:26 | #29 | |
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03 Nov 2016, 02:54 | #30 |
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Personally, if they can do "We will rock you" without Queen not to mention Freddie Mercury, or "Mamma Mia!" without ABBA, then this shouldn't be very much different. I think if it works or it doesn't, it'll be down to whether the actual piece itself is any good or not.
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03 Nov 2016, 13:23 | #31 |
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For me there are two frustrations that I see coming from the coverage.
Jim frustrated once again that even when his name is above the title, the media instantly make the "Meat Loaf's album on stage" quotes. Meat's frustration because any interviews or quotes that he gives are going to have him repeating the line "This is Jimmy's musical. It's the musical he has been working on for 40 years. It is Jimmy's dream and vision." Bat is massive. Meat is always going to be associated with it - but the problem comes down to assumption that one and both are the same entity. One of the first comments on Ticketmasters Facebook promo is a bloke saying he wouldn't pay £75 to see Meat Loaf perform. Meat isn't mentioned anywhere in the ad, and it is clearly Jim Steinman's Bat Out of Hell, but unless people look properly, or in some cases report properly, then they will continue to make the assumption that it is to do with Meat until the real promo kicks in. It is like bringing out a show called Born In The USA and not expecting casual readers/viewers/.listeners to think it is Bruce related, or to a shudder inducing lesser extent Hit Me Baby One More Time and expecting Britney to pop up. It's just the way it is. As for the "just Marvin Lee Aday" thing. I see it like this. When you look back over all the documented videos, retrospectives and interviews to do with Bat and Bat 2, there are constant references made by Jim, usually when Meat is sitting next to him, where he talks about Meat like you would about your prize performing animal in a circus. He's said that they made him into King Kong on the original Bat tour, that he wanted to get him to a place that he hadn't been before, for Bat 2 that he wanted to bring him back to the same traumatic experience that was the creation of Bat - hence the Back into Hell subtitle. And to me it is always said tongue in cheek. Both Meat and Jim have always made and taken jibes at each other in good humour the same as any good friends do. "Even in the Braver promo, Meat said how he criticised the Bonnie Tyler production of Loving You's a Dirty Job only for Jim to say "that was my production" before they laughed about it). I remember back when Bat 3 was released and Jim was more actively writing on his blog. He critiqued the album but did not really criticise it, and for me that because despite the legal stuff going on as Meat has professed they never really fell out. Again no more than friends do from time to time. Jim's recent concerns about Meat's health on his Facebook page show how much he cares for Meat, and the efforts that Meat goes to give Jim credit and promote Jim in everything he does or is linked to of Jim's says more to me than any media article will. And I did have to laugh at a complaint that £90 is too extortionate for a front of stalls ticket. It's clearly been a while since some people bought West End Tickets lol |
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03 Nov 2016, 13:33 | #32 | |
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I agree though, it's success will be down to the show itself, and with the team behind it I would think it might. We are talking TDV vs DOTV here. Tanz worked and continues to work because of the production/casting etc, Dance didn't for the same reasons. I don't feel the same mistakes being made on Bat that happened on DOTV. |
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03 Nov 2016, 14:01 | #33 |
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Honestly, the fact that Meat's not in the play isn't going to have an effect on how well it does at this point in time.
What will make or break this musical is the ENERGY it brings, and the ACTORS who bring it. (Not to mention the writing) If those things rock, especially with Meat doing promo in London, the play will do great, likely better, without Meat involved. The show is about young energy and young people. It's a group of 18 year olds who don't age (According to the lead singer/actor). It's supposed to fire up that youthful energy and you need young people to bring that. No offense intended here, but Meat brings an entirely different thing to Bat nowadays. Wonderful, but not the energy of a 23 year old. |
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03 Nov 2016, 15:32 | #34 |
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03 Nov 2016, 15:33 | #35 |
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P.S. Incredibly busy but there is a chance that Meat 'could' be in the cast come broadway next year. Take it with an obligatory and somewhat MASSIVE pinch of salt (at this time).
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03 Nov 2016, 15:50 | #37 |
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Well, I now need to see this musical.
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03 Nov 2016, 15:57 | #38 |
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03 Nov 2016, 16:25 | #39 |
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it'll be a chance to get back on stage and not knacker himself through touring. Will takea year though
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03 Nov 2016, 16:34 | #40 |
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03 Nov 2016, 16:44 | #41 |
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03 Nov 2016, 16:53 | #42 |
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Thought so. Fingers crossed they'll be able to get it arranged!!
Maybe they could do a special 'concert presentation' at MSG or something with an all-star cast? Bit like the Les Mis anniversary at Royal Albert Hall |
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As I just posted to a Facebook group Caryl and I both frequent:
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03 Nov 2016, 17:14 | #44 |
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03 Nov 2016, 17:36 | #45 |
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Rather than couch terms, I'll be direct: if you read earlier in this thread, you'll see Adje wasn't keen on the idea and never wanted to see it. My theory is he went into the early coverage and got what he expected to see out of it.
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03 Nov 2016, 18:18 | #48 |
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Yep -- if you're only into Meat's versions of Jim's songs (and if you're not a fan of the musical medium on the whole), then this one probably isn't for you. I'm more than cool with that view, and I understand where those who feel that way are coming from (though I get the impression that Adje - like the snake who eats his own tail - is going to post that same opinion again and again and again, until well after the musical has been released -- ad infinitum!)
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Funny enough I didn't comment on the musical [it's gonna be horrible] except when I read a part of that interview where they spelled Meat's name as the food [horrible I tell you]. And I explained it in a response to your post as a reaction to mine [waste of money, time and effort]. And to be honest I wasn't planning on spending too much time to it in the future [because it's dreadful, you have to listen to me. Dreadful] as I don't really mind or care about it [I hate it, hate it, hate it, hate it] So good luck with the production, the play and the reviews [although I can tell you already that it's the worst peace of play since Star Wars the Phantom Menace-the musical] and I do wish you all the best with it [did I mention it's gonna be horrible?] |
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