Rank the Songs Greatest To Least: Jim Steinman's Bad For Good - Page 6

Sarge · 14 Sep 2010, 21:24

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Originally Posted by WarioLoaf

As for barry, i hate him for RAW. hes the reason Meat refuses to play it live....

Did he say that?

AndrewG · 14 Sep 2010, 21:27

Why would you let a big nosed plastic guy intervene with your show song choices?

Wario · 14 Sep 2010, 22:12

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Originally Posted by AndrewG

Why would you let a big nosed plastic guy intervene with your show song choices?

according to the RAW review from the storytellers, he said the reason he doesn't perform it anymore is because Barry ruined it for him.

I gotta find it...

Sarge · 15 Sep 2010, 01:33

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Originally Posted by WarioLoaf

he said the reason he doesn't perform it anymore is because Barry ruined it for him.

Barbra Streisand and Celine Dion couldn't deter him from performing Left In The Dark and IACBTMN but Barry Manilow allegedly has such a huge impact on whether a song is performed by Meat Loaf or not? Reminds of the elephant that's afraid of the mouse. If I had a song of which I thought that someone else "ruined" it, I would want to perform it more than ever.

Pudding · 15 Sep 2010, 01:43

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Originally Posted by A Slice Of English

Quite a few people actually like the Manilow version.

I like it.

I think Barbara, Barry, Celine and anyone else who sings a Steinman song gets a lot of unnecessary grief just because they think Meat should be the only one to sing Jims songs

Wario · 15 Sep 2010, 02:06

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Originally Posted by Sarge

Barbra Streisand and Celine Dion couldn't deter him from performing Left In The Dark and IACBTMN but Barry Manilow allegedly has such a huge impact on whether a song is performed by Meat Loaf or not? Reminds of the elephant that's afraid of the mouse. If I had a song of which I thought that someone else "ruined" it, I would want to perform it more than ever.

I swear to god i read it somewhere. I just need to find it and ill get back to you on this.

nikox1 · 15 Sep 2010, 02:30

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Originally Posted by Pudding

I like it.

I think Barbara, Barry, Celine and anyone else who sings a Steinman song gets a lot of unnecessary grief just because they think Meat should be the only one to sing Jims songs

its not that. its just that Meat sings Jims songs better than everybody else?
Barrys is not in the same league, babs left in the dark is ok [ but Meats is better ] as for celine? well Meats version was not produced by Jim, so its hard to say what it would of sounded like? alot better than desmonds version no doubt?

AndrewG · 15 Sep 2010, 02:46

I think Celine's version of coming back is one of the best Steinman productions but then it's very close to Pandora's Box. I feel Celine shouts on it rather than sings at times other than that it's great.

Julie in the rv mirror · 15 Sep 2010, 04:53

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Originally Posted by Pudding

I think Barbara, Barry, Celine and anyone else who sings a Steinman song gets a lot of unnecessary grief just because they think Meat should be the only one to sing Jims songs

No, I like Celine's IACBTMN, La Streisand's LITD is eh...but Manilow's RAW is awful, IMO. The first time I heard it, I thought, "I wonder if Steinman knows what that guy did to his song?"

And I like Barry, generally, but that song just defines "schmaltzy" for me. (And yes, I know Steinman produced it)

Wario · 15 Sep 2010, 06:00

Ill give barry one nod:

he actually performs it live...

Steve6 · 15 Sep 2010, 20:50

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Originally Posted by WarioLoaf

Ill give barry one nod:

he actually performs it live...

I don't believe Barry's version would stop Meat from singing it live. Meat doesn't want to IMO. Just take a look at the choice of songs he has to pick from anyway. I'd much rather him sing "FCOL", "Not a dry eye", "Where the rubber meet the road" live.

A lot of people see him as the only one who can sing Steinman's songs the best, I wouldn't be to sure about that. He's the main artist for Jim's music alright, but to be fair Jim hasn't worked with many other artists as much as he worked with Meat and Bonnie Tyler. I would have liked to see Rhydian from the X-factor release a cover of Steinman songs. Jim's music is very hard to sing though, you would have to be a tenor almost.

Evil One · 15 Sep 2010, 21:29

Rhydian's attempt at Not A Dry Eye was the pits.

Steve6 · 15 Sep 2010, 22:07

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Originally Posted by Evil One

Rhydian's attempt at Not A Dry Eye was the pits.

He sang the vocals well anyway. I blame the producer for not bringing it more to life!!!! I'd like to hear him singing FCOL!!! If he can master that he'll master any Steinman song.

Sarge · 15 Sep 2010, 22:16

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Originally Posted by Steve6

I'd like to hear him singing FCOL!!!

Everything I've heard Rhydian sing so far sounded like Phantom of the Opera to me, sorry.

Steve6 · 15 Sep 2010, 22:31

If you don't like him how about Russell Watson? Awesome voice and can sing Jim's songs??? If not him then who else?

Sarge · 15 Sep 2010, 22:42

I'm not that much into opera, I prefer rock. I don't understand why anybody has to cover those songs. I love Meat's version of FCOL, I don't necessarily need another one. It takes more than just perfect vocals to deliver outstanding versions of Steinman tunes.

Wario · 15 Sep 2010, 22:50

i hope we are in agreement though there are three songs of jims meat can only sing: FCOL, Objects, and Bat

Sarge · 15 Sep 2010, 23:46

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Originally Posted by WarioLoaf

i hope we are in agreement

Sometimes we are.

Pudding · 16 Sep 2010, 01:50

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Originally Posted by nikox1

its just that Meat sings Jims songs better than everybody else?

Not true

but I'm not biased. There's a lot of great singers out there who can do a fantastic job on a Jim song. Elaine Caswell for a start.

nikox1 · 16 Sep 2010, 04:02

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Originally Posted by Pudding

Not true

but I'm not biased. There's a lot of great singers out there who can do a fantastic job on a Jim song. Elaine Caswell for a start.

yeah!! ok if you say so? Objects? Anything for love? Bat out of Hell? FCOL ?
they can be done better than Meat did them? Bonnie made Total Eclipse her own, its true!!

Pudding · 16 Sep 2010, 06:50

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Originally Posted by nikox1

Objects? Anything for love? Bat out of Hell? FCOL ?
they can be done better than Meat did them?

I never said that. But on the flip side, who's to say that they can't be done better but we just haven't heard it?

I think it would be diplomatic and fair to say that Meat is the one who's done best versions of those songs...thus far. Would they or could they be done equal or better? you'd be wrong to totally dismiss the possibility.

nikox1 · 16 Sep 2010, 12:53

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Originally Posted by Pudding

I never said that. But on the flip side, who's to say that they can't be done better but we just haven't heard it?

I think it would be diplomatic and fair to say that Meat is the one who's done best versions of those songs...thus far. Would they or could they be done equal or better? you'd be wrong to totally dismiss the possibility.

maybe/maybe not,, i see your point of course. but im only going by what i know, and what ive heard, how many people down the years have tried a Meat Loaf cover? Meat has a unique connection with Jims music that not many, if any connect with the same way. Bonnie Tyler is the only other person ive liked doing Jims songs, ive heard what part body hurts etc etc,, and the first thing i think is [ f**k Meat would take that to another level ]
and i do see what your saying, really i do. but to be honest there are just some songs that cannot be bettered,

daveake · 16 Sep 2010, 13:06

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Originally Posted by nikox1

but to be honest there are just some songs that cannot be bettered,

Indeed. Like Elaine's IACBTMN. Not that it's stopped people trying.

nikox1 · 16 Sep 2010, 13:19

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Originally Posted by daveake

Indeed. Like Elaine's IACBTMN. Not that it's stopped people trying.

good voice, but not great imo

daveake · 16 Sep 2010, 14:03

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Originally Posted by nikox1

good voice, but not great imo

No problem. Hopefully you have some opinions that are on the money

14 Sep 2010, 21:27	#127
AndrewG I hope your salmon sucks! Join Date: 18.01.2004 Location: Northamptonshire Posts: 7,077	Why would you let a big nosed plastic guy intervene with your show song choices?

15 Sep 2010, 02:46	#133
AndrewG I hope your salmon sucks! Join Date: 18.01.2004 Location: Northamptonshire Posts: 7,077	I think Celine's version of coming back is one of the best Steinman productions but then it's very close to Pandora's Box. I feel Celine shouts on it rather than sings at times other than that it's great.

15 Sep 2010, 06:00	#135
Wario Monstro helps me spell things... Join Date: 05.01.2007 Location: Masculine, Pennsylvania Posts: 9,105	Ill give barry one nod: he actually performs it live...

15 Sep 2010, 21:29	#137
Evil One Mega Loafer Join Date: 15.01.2007 Posts: 5,192	Rhydian's attempt at Not A Dry Eye was the pits.

15 Sep 2010, 22:31	#140
Steve6 Batman Join Date: 28.11.2005 Location: Ireland Posts: 1,690	If you don't like him how about Russell Watson? Awesome voice and can sing Jim's songs??? If not him then who else?

15 Sep 2010, 22:42	#141
Sarge Mega Loafer Join Date: 08.05.2008 Posts: 3,562	I'm not that much into opera, I prefer rock. I don't understand why anybody has to cover those songs. I love Meat's version of FCOL, I don't necessarily need another one. It takes more than just perfect vocals to deliver outstanding versions of Steinman tunes.

15 Sep 2010, 22:50	#142
Wario Monstro helps me spell things... Join Date: 05.01.2007 Location: Masculine, Pennsylvania Posts: 9,105	i hope we are in agreement though there are three songs of jims meat can only sing: FCOL, Objects, and Bat