Re-Recording Of Dead Ringer - Page 4

SuperLoafMan · 07 Jul 2006, 19:55

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Originally Posted by wenners

how can people say the dead ringer album was sub par and his voice was strained

I take it none of you have ever seen the dead ringer tours? boy did you miss some amazing shows im going to love her for both of us, is one hell of a song sung live

put it into perspective this album was made in 81, production techniques have improved greatly since then, also music was different back then

This is one song I love....and would love to hear Live....

I really do love this album, It is great, It is the one I have in my CD player in my car.

If, and only if they were to do something to, i dont know, re-release it again then like it has been said before it should be done live, I would love to hear Meat sing Peel Out now, it is such a great tune,

03gills · 13 Feb 2007, 12:45

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Originally Posted by Son Of Meat Loaf

There is absolutely nothing wrong with the production on Dead Ringer. It's the MASTERING of the album that is poor. Listen to the Vinyl version - it sounds infinitely better than the CD version, with sounds 'dull' and lifeless. It seems to me that the process of mastering it to CD was rushed and/or messed up, and that affects sound quality. Also, try listening to the DR tracks on the Hits Out Of Hell CD - they sound much 'brighter' and, IMO, better than they do on the DR CD. It is how well an album is mastered that makes it sound good/bad. The mastering process adds the finished 'gloss' that you get on albums/singles etc. That's why TMIL will almost certainly sound better when it's been professionally mastered.

And to clear up an issue of some debate - people say that Steinman had nothing to do with the production of DR - he, along with Jimmy Iovine, produced the backing tracks (ie the music) and Meat Loaf and Stefan Galfas ONLY PRODUCED THE VOCALS. So the music (apart from 'Read 'Em and Weep' and 'Dead Ringer For Love') WAS produced by Steinman and co, EXACTLY THE SAME as Bad For Good. Meat and Stef just added the vocals at a later date, and because Meat's voice was effecively ruined at the time, he had to sing it almost one line at a time, and then edit it all together. This is most noticeable on 'Peel Out'.

Rant over, carry about your business!

:)

I think you're basically spot on son of meat loaf, mastering would solve a good deal of the problem but then there are other issues with the arrangement that just make the whole thing sound a bit, uh, unfinished if you see what i mean, i actually thought everything is permitted would work quite well without guitars and drums just a piano and a softer vocal, but considering his voice at the time that wasn't an option.

**RadioMaster** · 13 Feb 2007, 14:43

I think it´s really time to debate about a re-recording of DR, only a lifeful debate can get Meat and the record company to re record it.

Loafy Meats · 13 Feb 2007, 17:16

I think this is the best of the albums and in my opinion Meat's voice had the best quality and range around this time. I remember reading either a post on here or something else where Meat himself said that he recorded it one line at a time and i was quite taken aback because to me its so similar to how he sounded before Bat - I honestly think he'd strain his whole body now trying to reach some of the notes in that CD - doubt he'd be able to re record it live without rewriting the music, and thats really more to do with how your voice changes with age and use.

geordieloaf · 13 Feb 2007, 18:56

I love DR infact i would say it's my favourte album! Although we know the history of how his voice was at the time etc, when i listen to the album i think it sounds great.
I think the song's are lyrically perfect and as a whole the album is put together fairly well.
I would love to see the song's live but i guess it wont happen. As for re-recording the album again i would guess the way his voice is now he would record them slightly different, although i would still love to hear how it would sound.

Blackkat13 · 13 Feb 2007, 20:22

I love the album the way it is....true his voice sounds a little different now. Some things should stay the same

batcity · 13 Feb 2007, 21:02

I agree Deadringer is a brilliant album, it's one of my favourites.

duke knooby · 14 Feb 2007, 22:23

no i don't think dead ringer needs re recorded, its an excellent album as is... however a re released tweeked version like bat 2 has just benefited from would be very cool. just my thoughts.

Evil One · 14 Feb 2007, 23:11

As was said somewhere above Dead Ringer doesn't need rerecording, merely someone who know's what they're doing to remaster it.

**Monstro** · 16 Feb 2007, 05:31

I like the fact that it was part of my life twenty odd years ago and stayed there, why should it be re-recorded, it was good enough then and in my heart remains good enough now.

batoutofhell3 · 16 Feb 2007, 17:55

I'm not sure about re-doing DL, although i would like to hear a live album.. That would be awsome!

13 Feb 2007, 14:43	#78
RadioMaster The German Join Date: 11.03.2006 Location: some kind of hunting lodge for rich weirdos... Posts: 15,778	I think it´s really time to debate about a re-recording of DR, only a lifeful debate can get Meat and the record company to re record it.

13 Feb 2007, 17:16	#79
Loafy Meats Senior Loafer Join Date: 18.11.2003 Location: Scotland Posts: 162	I think this is the best of the albums and in my opinion Meat's voice had the best quality and range around this time. I remember reading either a post on here or something else where Meat himself said that he recorded it one line at a time and i was quite taken aback because to me its so similar to how he sounded before Bat - I honestly think he'd strain his whole body now trying to reach some of the notes in that CD - doubt he'd be able to re record it live without rewriting the music, and thats really more to do with how your voice changes with age and use.

13 Feb 2007, 18:56	#80
geordieloaf Can't You See My Faded Geordie Jeans Bursting Apart Join Date: 25.10.2006 Location: Newcastle Posts: 1,360	I love DR infact i would say it's my favourte album! Although we know the history of how his voice was at the time etc, when i listen to the album i think it sounds great. I think the song's are lyrically perfect and as a whole the album is put together fairly well. I would love to see the song's live but i guess it wont happen. As for re-recording the album again i would guess the way his voice is now he would record them slightly different, although i would still love to hear how it would sound.

13 Feb 2007, 20:22	#81
Blackkat13 Mega Loafer Join Date: 30.07.2006 Location: Hell, Michigan Posts: 1,989	I love the album the way it is....true his voice sounds a little different now. Some things should stay the same

13 Feb 2007, 21:02	#82
batcity Guest Join Date: 14.04.2002 Location: Posts: 751	I agree Deadringer is a brilliant album, it's one of my favourites.

14 Feb 2007, 22:23	#83
duke knooby Mega Loafer Join Date: 24.06.2005 Location: belfast Posts: 17,889	no i don't think dead ringer needs re recorded, its an excellent album as is... however a re released tweeked version like bat 2 has just benefited from would be very cool. just my thoughts.

14 Feb 2007, 23:11	#84
Evil One Mega Loafer Join Date: 15.01.2007 Posts: 5,192	As was said somewhere above Dead Ringer doesn't need rerecording, merely someone who know's what they're doing to remaster it.

16 Feb 2007, 05:31	#85
Monstro Promoted to Wario's spellchecker Join Date: 17.09.2005 Location: London Posts: 12,947	I like the fact that it was part of my life twenty odd years ago and stayed there, why should it be re-recorded, it was good enough then and in my heart remains good enough now.

16 Feb 2007, 17:55	#86
batoutofhell3 Loafer Join Date: 12.09.2006 Location: Kent Posts: 74	I'm not sure about re-doing DL, although i would like to hear a live album.. That would be awsome!