69. Home By Now/No Matter What - Page 3

Sapphire Lady · 29 May 2006, 20:14

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Originally Posted by evil nickname

Nope. Def Leppard covered the Badfinger song 'No Matter What'.

Oops

I did think it a bit strange that Leppard would have covered a Boyzone/Meat song but there are a few other surprising ones there too.

**RadioMaster** · 29 May 2006, 20:15

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Originally Posted by evil nickname

I'm going to disagree again: Boyzone's version (which is still the best version I've heard) was released first. So it is cover.

My personal definition of cover is:
A song, sung by an artist on the base of the version of another artist.
Meat didn´t cover the Boyzone version.
Both ML and BZ sung a song from the WDTW musical by JS and ALW.

Ben · 29 May 2006, 20:18

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Originally Posted by Musicman

Yeah the Boyzone version is well cheesy. I do prefer Meat's rendition. However each time I listen to it I have this feeling the "Home by Now" bit is really building up to a climax. I would have preferred if Steinman was able to write a longer version of "Home by Now" and just have Meat sing that. That would have been Bat quality for sure I think. Still it is a good song and the first couple of minutes are a great start to Meat's greatest hits.

i like the idea of a longer home by now!

evil nickname · 29 May 2006, 22:04

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Originally Posted by Radiomaster

My personal definition of cover is:
A song, sung by an artist on the base of the version of another artist.
Meat didn´t cover the Boyzone version.
Both ML and BZ sung a song from the WDTW musical by JS and ALW.

Okay. So Meat and Boyzone both covered a song from Whistle Down The Wind. Still a cover

AndrewG · 29 May 2006, 22:41

And another thing, the church organ is a nice touch in the Home by Now bit. Although the choir sounds are quite convincing, a less synthy / sampled version of this song would have been more timeless in my opinion.

mikeloaf · 30 May 2006, 00:52

It was a great version. I love it, I to give it 10/10. Same for Is Nothing Sacred Anymore. Both from 1999 ( ? ) Meat did a couple of BBC2 radio shows both extremely memorable.

Ross · 30 May 2006, 03:14

I always loved the Home By Now bit, and as I heard it before WDTW, I always wondered what it was like in the show. (I had guessed that NMW was the Act 1 closer)

I was quite dissapointed that it was just a minor bit of recicative in the show, much scaled down from the way Meat did it. ( and yes I know the show arrangement came first... )

rockfenris2005 · 15 Jun 2006, 08:50

I don't consider Meat's version a cover since Jim Steinman produced it (and it sounds like the way BAT 3 should be / have been).

It was going to be on "Songs from Whistle Down the Wind" but was cut at the last minute, something that always infuriated Meat Loaf, because it robbed him of (potentially) kicking the crap out of Boyzone's version and getting No. 1 instead

Which he deserved, in this case...

His version, with the exception of the weird "noowwwwww" at the end, is so much better than Boyzone

IMO

Pudding · 15 Jun 2006, 11:34

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Originally Posted by rockfenris2005

I don't consider Meat's version a cover since Jim Steinman produced it

Hmmm interesting.

So is Barry Manilow's Read'Em & Weep not classed as cover then, since Jim Steinman produced that. What about It's All Coming Back To Me Now by Celine Dion? And what about Taylor Dayne's - Original Sin, is that not classed as a cover either?. We could also mention Barbra Streisands - Left In The Dark, as that's no the original version but Steinman did produce it. Making Love and Two Out Of Three by Bonnie Tyler would then not be classed as covers since Steinman produced those. Half of Bat2 wouldn't be classed as covers, when clearly they are, as they're poached for B4G and P-Box.

I don't think we can pick and choose what is or isn't a cover version or not to suit are own beliefs. Either a song is a remake of a previously released song, therefor classifying it as a cover version, or it isn't.

Pud

Bart · 15 Jun 2006, 14:04

pfff Pud, nothing better to do

Pudding · 16 Jun 2006, 03:02

I had a spare couple of minutes

Pud

rockfenris2005 · 16 Jun 2006, 15:53

Well, the way I look at it is... (at least when it comes to Loaf & Jim)

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So is Barry Manilow's Read'Em & Weep not classed as cover then, since Jim Steinman produced that.

If, say, Tony Bennett recorded this song and it was produced by George Martin, I'd call that a "cover". However, if Tony Bennett recorded this song and it was produced by Jim Steinman, well, you know what I mean...

Don't you?

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What about It's All Coming Back To Me Now by Celine Dion?

If it was produced by Desmond Child I'd call it a cover, but it was produced by Jim Steinman with even some of the track from the original version.

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And what about Taylor Dayne's - Original Sin, is that not classed as a cover either?.

See above

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We could also mention Barbra Streisands - Left In The Dark, as that's no the original version but Steinman did produce it.

Meat's version is a cover, Barbra's is not. Steinman produced the song

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Making Love and Two Out Of Three by Bonnie Tyler would then not be classed as covers since Steinman produced those.

No, I just see those as weird tributes.

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Half of Bat2 wouldn't be classed as covers, when clearly they are, as they're poached for B4G and P-Box.

I tend to see those as "recycling"

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I don't think we can pick and choose what is or isn't a cover version or not to suit are own beliefs.

If Steinman worked on it, when he worked on the originals, I don't see it as a cover. I know... this is being technical... there needs to be another definition

i.e. C.V. & Loaf's LITD are covers.

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Either a song is a remake of a previously released song, therefor classifying it as a cover version, or it isn't.

I think the term is used too loosely. I'd call the Steinman versions "remakes" not mere covers

**RadioMaster** · 16 Jun 2006, 19:09

So you´re trying to say that a cover is a cover when it is produced by someone else than the original production? And when it´s "only" recorded by someone else then it wouldn´t be a cover?

Interesting definition...

PanicLord · 16 Jun 2006, 22:34

Anyhow...

I really like this song - listened to it in the car today in fact. A really powerful and emotional song. I reckon 8/10.

But, my mother-in-law-to-be nearly gave me a heart attack, when she said Meat's version "doesn't have the edge of Boyzone's version"!!!!

WTF???? Maybe she misses the "jigga jig ha ha ha" bits.

Lol.

**RadioMaster** · 16 Jun 2006, 22:54

Interesting journey of emotions you went through!

PanicLord · 16 Jun 2006, 23:17

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Originally Posted by Radiomaster

Interesting journey of emotions you went through!

That's the mother-in-law-to-be for you

Pudding · 17 Jun 2006, 01:06

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Originally Posted by TRex2006

Anyhow...
WTF???? Maybe she misses the "jigga jig ha ha ha" bits.

Well we all like a bit of jigga jigga now and again

Seems Ryan's definition of a cover version bares no merit, as he's put songs got songs that do and songs that don't even when they have the same criteria.

Pud

rockfenris2005 · 17 Jun 2006, 09:52

Too complicated to explain, I'll go crazy trying at this time of day

Pudding · 17 Jun 2006, 10:32

It's not complicated at all, you're crazy interpretation of what a 'cover version' is might be complicated but the true definition of what a cover version is isn't.

Pud

PanicLord · 17 Jun 2006, 10:52

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Originally Posted by Pudding

Well we all like a bit of jigga jigga now and again

Pud

This is true - I had not considered that. Perhaps Meat could remix his version with additional jigga jigga? Actually no, I don't like remixes lol.

Anyway, listen all:

A cover version is when an artist releases their own version of any song that has already been released by someone else.

So, Barry's version of Read Em And Weep IS a cover version - it had already been released by Meat Loaf at the time.

Bonnie Tyler's constant re-releasing of Total Eclipse Of The Heart is NOT a cover version. They are more like remakes, as she did the original song.

In my opinion, the best cover versions are when it sounds completely different from the original song. For example, The Beautiful South's cover of You're The One That I Want - great stuff, a cover version for sure, but with their own unique sound and style about it.

**RadioMaster** · 17 Jun 2006, 11:52

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Originally Posted by TRex2006

This is true - I had not considered that. Perhaps Meat could remix his version with additional jigga jigga? Actually no, I don't like remixes lol.

Anyway, listen all:

A cover version is when an artist releases their own version of any song that has already been released by someone else.

So, Barry's version of Read Em And Weep IS a cover version - it had already been released by Meat Loaf at the time.

Bonnie Tyler's constant re-releasing of Total Eclipse Of The Heart is NOT a cover version. They are more like remakes, as she did the original song.

In my opinion, the best cover versions are when it sounds completely different from the original song. For example, The Beautiful South's cover of You're The One That I Want - great stuff, a cover version for sure, but with their own unique sound and style about it.

Yeah, that´s the way I understand it, too.
The best example for what you said is IMO mad world.
I don´t like the Tears for Fears version, but some years ago the cover by Gary Jules (produced by Michael Andrews) made a whole different song out of if.

But seeing the danger to slide off-topiic I may just add, that IMO HBN by Meat and by Boyzone are both no covers, because they didn´t record it after somebody else did, except WDTW. You could see it at the point of the release time of both songs, but that´s not important, becuase neither Meat nor Boyzone knew (as far as I know) of the other artist recording it.

Pudding · 17 Jun 2006, 12:03

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Originally Posted by TRex2006

A cover version is when an artist releases their own version of any song that has already been released by someone else.

Agreed, irrespective of who the producer is.

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Originally Posted by TRex2006

So, Barry's version of Read Em And Weep IS a cover version - it had already been released by Meat Loaf at the time.

Correct

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Originally Posted by TRex2006

Bonnie Tyler's constant re-releasing of Total Eclipse Of The Heart is NOT a cover version. They are more like remakes, as she did the original song.

I agree. Nicki French did a cover of the song and it wasn't too bad. Incidentally she's releasing the song again and calling it Total Eclipse 2006, with 7 remixes of the song to go with the 2 dozen other remixed versions of the song.

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Originally Posted by TRex2006

In my opinion, the best cover versions are when it sounds completely different from the original song.

I agree with this statement also. If somebody's going to just add vocals to a sound that already exists, then all it is, is just glorified karaoke.IMO If however there are changes made i.e. from a rock sound with lots of guitars, drums etc to a more say acoustic sound, then to me those are the best covers.

Pud

**RadioMaster** · 17 Jun 2006, 12:50

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Originally Posted by Pudding

If somebody's going to just add vocals to a sound that already exists, then all it is, is just glorified karaoke.IMO If however there are changes made i.e. from a rock sound with lots of guitars, drums etc to a more say acoustic sound, then to me those are the best covers.

Pud

So you say that both, completely and barely changed, versions of songs are covers, but well or bad done.
I could agree with that

PanicLord · 20 Jun 2006, 01:38

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Originally Posted by Pudding

Incidentally she's releasing the song again and calling it Total Eclipse 2006, with 7 remixes of the song to go with the 2 dozen other remixed versions of the song.

Pud

For Crying Out Loud, if I may use such a shameful excuse to get a song title in

Please could someone write Bonnie Tyler a whole new song? It's not that I don't like the song - it's great - but you could fill a whole ALBUM with the remixes of that song.

Perhaps she might get one of TDE's new songs? I hope she does SOMETHING decent and NEW!

Pudding · 20 Jun 2006, 02:09

I was actually referring to Nicki French, karaoke singing gay icon of icons

But saying that, Bonnie, the other gay icon of icons has flogged the same donkey for long enough.

Personally speaking I hope she doesn't get to touch any half decent new TDE song.

Pud

29 May 2006, 22:41	#55
AndrewG I hope your salmon sucks! Join Date: 18.01.2004 Location: Northamptonshire Posts: 7,081	And another thing, the church organ is a nice touch in the Home by Now bit. Although the choir sounds are quite convincing, a less synthy / sampled version of this song would have been more timeless in my opinion.

30 May 2006, 00:52	#56
mikeloaf Super Loafer Join Date: 06.11.2005 Location: England UK Posts: 708	It was a great version. I love it, I to give it 10/10. Same for Is Nothing Sacred Anymore. Both from 1999 ( ? ) Meat did a couple of BBC2 radio shows both extremely memorable.

30 May 2006, 03:14	#57
Ross Best Sig and Avatar 2006!!! (shared) Join Date: 25.11.2003 Location: Coatbridge near Glasgow. Scotland Posts: 3,446	I always loved the Home By Now bit, and as I heard it before WDTW, I always wondered what it was like in the show. (I had guessed that NMW was the Act 1 closer) I was quite dissapointed that it was just a minor bit of recicative in the show, much scaled down from the way Meat did it. ( and yes I know the show arrangement came first... )

15 Jun 2006, 08:50	#58
rockfenris2005 Mega Loafer Join Date: 16.02.2003 Location: Posts: 2,217	I don't consider Meat's version a cover since Jim Steinman produced it (and it sounds like the way BAT 3 should be / have been). It was going to be on "Songs from Whistle Down the Wind" but was cut at the last minute, something that always infuriated Meat Loaf, because it robbed him of (potentially) kicking the crap out of Boyzone's version and getting No. 1 instead Which he deserved, in this case... His version, with the exception of the weird "noowwwwww" at the end, is so much better than Boyzone IMO

15 Jun 2006, 14:04	#60
Bart Bald Mega Loafer Join Date: 06.03.2003 Location: Holland, but I prefer Greece Posts: 2,243	pfff Pud, nothing better to do

16 Jun 2006, 03:02	#61
Pudding I'm A Prize Fight Lover... Join Date: 22.10.2003 Location: New Zealand Posts: 5,532	I had a spare couple of minutes Pud

16 Jun 2006, 19:09	#63
RadioMaster The German Join Date: 11.03.2006 Location: some kind of hunting lodge for rich weirdos... Posts: 15,778	So you´re trying to say that a cover is a cover when it is produced by someone else than the original production? And when it´s "only" recorded by someone else then it wouldn´t be a cover? Interesting definition...

16 Jun 2006, 22:34	#64
PanicLord Mega Loafer Join Date: 18.06.2003 Location: At The End Of The Line Posts: 2,653	Anyhow... I really like this song - listened to it in the car today in fact. A really powerful and emotional song. I reckon 8/10. But, my mother-in-law-to-be nearly gave me a heart attack, when she said Meat's version "doesn't have the edge of Boyzone's version"!!!! WTF???? Maybe she misses the "jigga jig ha ha ha" bits. Lol.

16 Jun 2006, 22:54	#65
RadioMaster The German Join Date: 11.03.2006 Location: some kind of hunting lodge for rich weirdos... Posts: 15,778	Interesting journey of emotions you went through!

17 Jun 2006, 09:52	#68
rockfenris2005 Mega Loafer Join Date: 16.02.2003 Location: Posts: 2,217	Too complicated to explain, I'll go crazy trying at this time of day

17 Jun 2006, 10:32	#69
Pudding I'm A Prize Fight Lover... Join Date: 22.10.2003 Location: New Zealand Posts: 5,532	It's not complicated at all, you're crazy interpretation of what a 'cover version' is might be complicated but the true definition of what a cover version is isn't. Pud

20 Jun 2006, 02:09	#75
Pudding I'm A Prize Fight Lover... Join Date: 22.10.2003 Location: New Zealand Posts: 5,532	I was actually referring to Nicki French, karaoke singing gay icon of icons But saying that, Bonnie, the other gay icon of icons has flogged the same donkey for long enough. Personally speaking I hope she doesn't get to touch any half decent new TDE song. Pud