Last At Bat Videos

[Sebastian.]

Originally Posted by Adje

Plus in between



At least many people have been able to enjoy a LAB show for free, thanks to the existence of YouTube. And especially for those who couldn't attend a live show, I am happy. I find it sad that Meat doesn't feel that way. In that perspective I envy fans of Bruce, Jon Bon and so many others. But, what you gonna do about it

I agree on all counts!

I decided to clear up my itunes library, I've only been into Bruce for a few months but the amount of boot's I have of his is outstanding.

[Wario]

Originally Posted by Adje

Plus in between

My channel got terminated, a year ago, because of claims on videos from 2001 and 1996, together with a live recording from 1991. You'd think they should be safe. But in all honesty, with Meat you just never knows. If he feels he doesn't want them up he has them removed. No matter the year they are recorded. Perhaps it has to do with his mood, if he's being bored or because he genuinely doesn't like the footage. (or perhaps he just doesn't like me ) Whatever the reason, I won't dispute his right to do so. But I cheer the people that keep sharing

At least many people have been able to enjoy a LAB show for free, thanks to the existence of YouTube. And especially for those who couldn't attend a live show, I am happy. I find it sad that Meat doesn't feel that way. In that perspective I envy fans of Bruce, Jon Bon and so many others. But, what you gonna do about it

I feel he may have just claimed your vids cause of the blog

[Dave]

Originally Posted by CarylB

... we might otherwise have been able to take photos .. something also illegal without the artist's intervention ...

Not true in the way this is worded. I can only speak for American jurisdictions, in some places... venues/festivals can include in their agreement with an artist to allow media/fan photos or disallow these. Photos/recording at shows is a venue/artist issue - not law (at least in most of America). I am currently booking shows (again, in America) and am learning the process of writing up agreements with artists. Most of what is though of as "law" is actually contractual obligations. For example, one would think it was "illegal" to record a live concert. In some places, it is perfectly legal to record; however, possessing an unauthorized audio or video recording is illegal - huge Catch 22.

[CarylB]

Originally Posted by Dave

Not true in the way this is worded. I can only speak for American jurisdictions, in some places... venues/festivals can include in their agreement with an artist to allow media/fan photos or disallow these. Photos/recording at shows is a venue/artist issue - not law (at least in most of America). I am currently booking shows (again, in America) and am learning the process of writing up agreements with artists. Most of what is though of as "law" is actually contractual obligations. For example, one would think it was "illegal" to record a live concert. In some places, it is perfectly legal to record; however, possessing an unauthorized audio or video recording is illegal - huge Catch 22.

Here the law prohibits any photography/recording in any public without the permission of the owner(s) of the building .. indeed it is printed on the back of any ticket I have purchased. However, venues will generally give permission if the artist makes it clear he or she is agreeable to photography and/or recording . Generally Meat allows photos, but not recording. On the Last at Bat tour the large screens at either sized of every stage displayed very prominently that no recordings were permitted.

[JennaG]

Originally Posted by CarylB

Generally Meat allows photos, but not recording. On the Last at Bat tour the large screens at either sized of every stage displayed very prominently that no recordings were permitted.

Here's the photo I took of the video screen in Sheffield...



I can see how people might miss the notices on the back of the tickets but I'd say it was fairly hard to miss the video screens.

I remember seeing someone being spoken to several times at that concert about taking video by the security team and in Birmingham, they reminded a few of us that had cameras out that only photographs were allowed.

[TheDoode]

Oh man, not copyright again

Please, separate thread if you want to discuss the finer elements of European/American copyright laws.

As exciting and relevant as it is ...

[JennaG]

Originally Posted by TheDoode

Oh man, not copyright again

Please, separate thread if you want to discuss the finer elements of European/American copyright laws.

As exciting and relevant as it is ...

Perhaps you should PM a mod and ask them to split this thread if it's bothering you?

[GDW]

Originally Posted by JennaG

Perhaps you should PM a mod and ask them to split this thread if it's bothering you?

No! No! don't do that. I'm finding the information on copyright laws fascinating.

[TheDoode]

Originally Posted by JennaG

Perhaps you should PM a mod and ask them to split this thread if it's bothering you?

Not so much that, just that no-one has even commented on the performance or the songs yet! And the copyright debate is one that we've had to the nth degree already. Still, it's easy to move it forward. Thoughts on the set anyone?

[Evil One]

I thought the set was excellent. I'd have preferred the whole of Redlight over Redlight/Lemon as I've heard Lemon oodles of times. Also I thought the first act was a bit short. And it would have been nice to have Rock And Roll Dreams and the long intro to All Revved Up. But all that is just nit-picking. The show was excellent and the second act worthy of the ticket price alone.

[Adje]

All I can say is that the person who put all the videos together into the concert footage must be a brilliant guy I bet a lot of time and effort went into that process...

[TheDoode]

Personally I thought the set list was outstanding - though I agree with Evil One on Red Light/Lemon (and also the fact that, yeah, it's nitpicking). It took a while for Meat to get warmed up, vocally, but later on he seemed to be doing pretty well (though I've got to say, not as well as some recordings I've heard from the Hang Cool Tour).

[renegadeangel]

I agree. Setlist was very good. Meat sounded good and the band was great.
On another note, my opinion, if Meat doesn't like himself on youtube then he has every right to have it removed.
I don't understand why so many people jump in to claim to know what Meat wants or would want one way or the other.
He's the only one who makes those kind of decisions. Leave it to him. He's a big boy and can take care of himself.

[JennaG]

Originally Posted by TheDoode

And the copyright debate is one that we've had to the nth degree already.

I can see what you're getting at but I think that for every time there's going to be a discussion about YouTube videos, the discussion will occur again.

I agree that the discussion has been done so many times that any regular has a fairly good idea of the feelings of the other regulars about the subject. Some like bootlegs, others don't and then there's some who don't feel strongly either way, that won't change but I think that this is a discussion that may occur every time the subject of a bootleg recording is brought up.

Originally Posted by TheDoode

Still, it's easy to move it forward. Thoughts on the set anyone?

I haven't watched the bootlegs in question but since they were recorded at London, which is a concert I went to, I'll base my comments on the set list as I remembered it from that.

It was a well thought out set list which I feel was designed to appeal to the majority of fans as it included a lot of the more popular songs. I thought that opening with 'Runnin' For The Red Light' was a fantastic move, particularly given the lyrics of the song. However from a personal point of view and as someone who has thoroughly enjoyed Meat's two most recent albums, I was a little bit disappointed that I didn't hear more songs from those and in particular, the songs from HIAH. I'm not a fan of 'Two Out of Three Ain't Bad' and would have preferred to have heard a song like 'All Of Me' or 'Our Love and Our Souls' but I'm not saying that I disagree with what Meat had decided to do with the setlist.

[CarylB]

I posted reviews of the shows and my comments on set list, performance, brilliant video footage etc at the time the tour was running. Nothing more to add to my take, which was and remains that it was an amazing farewell tour, superb performances, an opening set perfectly crafted for a final tour, with RFTRL stating the objective of the evening .. and imo eclipsed only by the second act which was a sensation, going beyond my expectations every night. I thought the setlist was perfectly put together then, and with hindsight still believe that.

I could not at the time, and cannot now, fault a tour that Meat aced every step of the way, was full of passion and charged with emotion, and had each packed arena on its feet. The reviews posted here for every show back that up imo. Nothing caught on a mobile phone could capture or do justice to the electric atmosphere at each show, or the continuous wave of affection from the thousands of fans who had come to see this farewell from a man who had meant so much to them for so long.

Meat's first appearances here in the UK were on the OGWT, and were a sensation that had the BBC switchboards jammed. His final tour appearances here this year were imo a triumph, and one fitting to close a chapter in the work of an amazing performer, the like of whom we will not see again. He did himself and us proud every night.

[TheDoode]

Originally Posted by CarylB

Nothing caught on a mobile phone could capture or do justice to the electric atmosphere at each show, or the continuous wave of affection from the thousands of fans who had come to see this farewell from a man who had meant so much to them for so long.

Agreed, from a certain point of view. To play devil's advocate you could argue that with a first person recording you get more of an idea of what it was 'actually' like more than you would with an edited, multi-cam blu-ray. It's not my view, but valid all the same. I know which I'd rather watch, but when an alternative isn't available I think that a fan recording of a show is a pretty good representation of something we night not have otherwise been able to see.

[Breeze]

Originally Posted by Wario

I feel he may have just claimed your vids cause of the blog

I cannot find a blog by Meat. I see the Facebook and the meatloaf.net but if he has a blog, where is it? googling did not find it.

[Wario]

Originally Posted by Breeze

I cannot find a blog by Meat. I see the Facebook and the meatloaf.net but if he has a blog, where is it? googling did not find it.

Adje knows what I was talking about. don't worry bout it.

[Evil One]

And what a fantastic blog it was

[Sebastian.]

Originally Posted by Evil One

And what a fantastic blog it was

I miss that blog, really got me into Meat Loaf.

R.I.P

[Breeze]

I see the videos are gone. I was on Ray Wylie Hubbard's site and he has an interesting notice posted about bootlegs etc His attitude is hilarious- and straight to the point.
This is a c&p.

"Feel Free to Download these and enjoy. However..... if while surfing the internet entertaining my insomnia some evening I should find these very same songs put on some compilation and being sold anonymously on ebay or in some far away country just know that I WILL hunt you down and I WILL find you..... and it won't be pretty.

xxx
Mother H"

[Evil One]

Originally Posted by Breeze

I see the videos are gone.

No they're not.

[White of High]

Just again... I really don't understand the fight against youtube and uploading. In Latin America and Asia all CDs are copied and sold on street. Even the police buy CDs there. Why? Because when you buy an MP3 player, a new iPod or a notebook, you pay royalties as tax. So?

The problem? People upload videos of very bad concerts and artists don't want to see them on internet. Solution? Do high level concerts and fans make your free marketing.

[JennaG]

Originally Posted by White of High

Just again... I really don't understand the fight against youtube and uploading. In Latin America and Asia all CDs are copied and sold on street.

Yes that may be so but just because something is permitted in one country, it doesn't mean that it is or should be permitted in another.

Originally Posted by "White of High

The problem? People upload videos of very bad concerts and artists don't want to see them on internet.

I disagree with you. Sometimes it's NOT the quality of the concert at all, it's the quality of the recording. I've been to several high quality concerts but have seen YouTube uploads that are a long way off of portraying what it was actually like. If you were an artist you would want your work to be seen at it's best and how it was intended to be seen. I know I would.

[loaferman61]

Originally Posted by JennaG

Here's the photo I took of the video screen in Sheffield...

I hope that image is not copyrighted.