4. Jim - Bad For Good - Page 2

Bart · 15 Jul 2003, 13:10

It is just a silly discussion. meat is better or Jim is better. Well, Meat has inspired Jim. If Meat wasn't there, then all those songs hadn't been made at all. Bad for good is written by Jim, but he's inspired bij Meats performing. And Jim can't sing at all. The vocals on Dance in my pants, Bad for good and Left in the dark are quit terrible.

evil nickname · 15 Jul 2003, 13:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bart

It is just a silly discussion. meat is better or Jim is better. Well, Meat has inspired Jim. If Meat wasn't there, then all those songs hadn't been made at all. Bad for good is written by Jim, but he's inspired bij Meats performing. And Jim can't sing at all. The vocals on Dance in my pants, Bad for good and Left in the dark are quit terrible.

Strange, first you say this whole discussion is silly, and then you state for a fact that Jim can't sing at all, so Meat must be better. Really strange indeed.
But if that's your opinion, great, and I would beg to disagree. I think Jim has done a great job on those songs, and I would hate to see Bad for Good on Bat III. Give me all new songs, please :-)

And besides, if Jim wasn't there, Meat wouldn't have been where he is today. Same thing goes the other way...

Evan · 15 Jul 2003, 15:42

Meat inspired Jim's songs?????????
Actually Richard Wagner, Jerry Lee Lewis, The Beach Boys, The Beatles, The Doors....oh yeah and Phil Spector inspired Jim's songs. "Bat Out Of Hell" came from Jim's obession to write the most extreme car crash song of all time, as he had a childhood obsession with these types of songs. "Heaven Can Wait" and "For Crying Out Loud" were written before Jim ever met Meat. "You Took The Words Right Out Of My Mouth" was inspired by Phil Spector and Queen (the hand clapping at the end.) "All Revved Up" was written for Neverland and I believe Jim's attempt to try and calm "Come In The Night". "Two Out Of Three" was inspired by Elvis Presley's "I Want You, I Need You, I Love You" as Mimi Rogers I believe, asked Jim if he could write something simple and said he needed a traditional ballad on "Bat Out Of Hell" and then there's "Paradise". Well, I can't argue with you there, Meat actually dated a girl named Rene Allen and they'd park by the lake and she'd actually say "stop right there.." so this song was inspired by Meat, but it's the only one inspired by on "Bat Out Of Hell" and even then Jimmy still took it to the ultimate extreme with "praying for the end of time" and I believe it was Jimmy who suggested the baseball commentary in the middle of the song.

Bart · 16 Jul 2003, 10:34

lol

don''t you ever take a forum to serious

Bart · 16 Jul 2003, 10:39

i was talking bout the songs on BfG by the way, not Bat. An we all know those things you wrote cause we all have read the f...king book and bat III are all new songs cause the fat guy have said that here back in March.

and back in march i have already said that meat and jim belongs to eachother and stop with this whole thing now cause it makes me puke.

Evan · 16 Jul 2003, 17:27

"Bat 3" is all new songs lol. I'll bet you a million dollars right now that it isn't.

Quigmo · 17 Sep 2003, 07:13

I'm still waiting to hear the voice do this one.
JS version 3/10
ML version ????

03gills · 30 Mar 2004, 17:24

perhaps on meats version(if he records it) they could have a big guitar solo in-between the opening drums and when the vocals kick in, kinda like bat out of hell with that great opening guitar solo, i'll never forget the first time i heard that, i love the way the guitar goes really loud right before meats vocals kick in, it sound's really rocking, yet has a real emotional quality that i love. is that a Bad Idea

(for good

) Sorry, no more BAD jokes(for good

) there i go again

Michel · 30 Mar 2004, 22:26

I liked the way Meat played it live in 1988. It was just perfect.

evil nickname · 30 Mar 2004, 23:42

Yeah, but Michel, you do have a 1988 fetish it seems... wanna talk about it?

Bart · 31 Mar 2004, 15:37

Cause in 88 meat was on his best, Evil Nickname! and you know it. Nobody have sung or will sing in the futere the way Meat has sung back in 88. It was just all a gift from the gods. The Lost Boys and Golden Girls Tour was the best tour he has ever done and not only the vocals but the whole set up. It was definiately Meat on his best. NO ONE HAS SUNG LIKE HIM THE WAY HE HAS SUNG IN 88!

Michel · 01 Apr 2004, 10:53

No, I don't want to talk about it. Bart said the way I feel.

RSG · 01 Apr 2004, 22:19

Awesome song by Jimmy! Absolutely astounding, I would love to hear Meat sing it!

Jim's 10\10

Meat's

\10

KebLou · 01 Apr 2004, 22:37

I think Jims album is good. Meat wrote the last 6 or so minutes of BOOH (thats what Meat says on the Storytellers DVD). Most of the songs Meat sings which have been written by Jim have been written for Meat.
I love Bad for Good the Album.

MjP2 · 02 Apr 2004, 15:11

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Originally Posted by keb

Meat wrote the last 6 or so minutes of BOOH (thats what Meat says on the Storytellers DVD). Most of the songs Meat sings which have been written by Jim have been written for Meat.
I love Bad for Good the Album.

Firstly, you have misinterpreted Meat's sayings. He doesn't say he wrote the last six (or whatever) minutes himself. He says he made them to be written [by Jim]. And secondly, he likes to tell stories and as usual this one isn't completely true either. It's pretty much the opposite, on Classic Albums DVD Steinman tells how the others wanted him to stop and end the song and _he_ kept on going saying there's gotta be the crash.

Actually Jim's version of the story is rather wierd as well as the song was already written before the making of the album. You can find a live version of BOOH from Neverland at Smeghead's pages. It has the crash section whereas the intro is shorter.
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KebLou · 02 Apr 2004, 15:17

Ok its still a good song.

rockfenris2005 · 03 Apr 2004, 08:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by Evan

Meat inspired Jim's songs?????????
Actually Richard Wagner, Jerry Lee Lewis, The Beach Boys, The Beatles, The Doors....oh yeah and Phil Spector inspired Jim's songs.

Some other profound influences are Alfred Hitchcock and Murnau's Nosferatu.

"Bat Out Of Hell" came from Jim's obession to write the most extreme car crash song of all time, as he had a childhood obsession with these types of songs.

Bat Out of Hell was a musical extrapolation - in the style of the opening of Psycho. It could've been in Psycho.

"Heaven Can Wait" and "For Crying Out Loud" were written before Jim ever met Meat.

Yuh. They were both sung in cabarets in the early 70s. Bette Midler did it at the Ansonia, and Andre DeShields had a go as well. Heaven Can Wait was the first song ever written for BAT.

"You Took The Words Right Out Of My Mouth" was inspired by Phil Spector and Queen (the hand clapping at the end.) "All Revved Up" was written for Neverland and I believe Jim's attempt to try and calm "Come In The Night".

Actually, I wouldn't mind if Meat had recorded this song. It's an excellent number. I wouldn't say it was a calmed ALL REVVED UP. It's more political and determined. ALL REVVED UP has surreal atmosphere

"Two Out Of Three" was inspired by Elvis Presley's "I Want You, I Need You, I Love You" as Mimi Rogers I believe,

Mimi Kennedy. She was in Steinman's RHINEGOLD, and married to his best friend from high-school. She's now a supporting actress in DHARMA AND GREG. Lovely woman

asked Jim if he could write something simple and said he needed a traditional ballad on "Bat Out Of Hell" and then there's "Paradise". Well, I can't argue with you there, Meat actually dated a girl named Rene Allen and they'd park by the lake and she'd actually say "stop right there.." so this song was inspired by Meat, but it's the only one inspired by on "Bat Out Of Hell" and even then Jimmy still took it to the ultimate extreme with "praying for the end of time" and I believe it was Jimmy who suggested the baseball commentary in the middle of the song.

30 Mar 2004, 17:24	#33
03gills Loafer Join Date: 07.03.2004 Posts: 73	Bad Idea??? perhaps on meats version(if he records it) they could have a big guitar solo in-between the opening drums and when the vocals kick in, kinda like bat out of hell with that great opening guitar solo, i'll never forget the first time i heard that, i love the way the guitar goes really loud right before meats vocals kick in, it sound's really rocking, yet has a real emotional quality that i love. is that a Bad Idea (for good ) Sorry, no more BAD jokes(for good ) there i go again

15 Jul 2003, 13:10	#26
Bart Bald Mega Loafer Join Date: 06.03.2003 Location: Holland, but I prefer Greece Posts: 2,243	It is just a silly discussion. meat is better or Jim is better. Well, Meat has inspired Jim. If Meat wasn't there, then all those songs hadn't been made at all. Bad for good is written by Jim, but he's inspired bij Meats performing. And Jim can't sing at all. The vocals on Dance in my pants, Bad for good and Left in the dark are quit terrible.

15 Jul 2003, 15:42	#28
Evan Super Loafer Join Date: 03.07.2003 Location: Florida, USA Posts: 216	Meat inspired Jim's songs????????? Actually Richard Wagner, Jerry Lee Lewis, The Beach Boys, The Beatles, The Doors....oh yeah and Phil Spector inspired Jim's songs. "Bat Out Of Hell" came from Jim's obession to write the most extreme car crash song of all time, as he had a childhood obsession with these types of songs. "Heaven Can Wait" and "For Crying Out Loud" were written before Jim ever met Meat. "You Took The Words Right Out Of My Mouth" was inspired by Phil Spector and Queen (the hand clapping at the end.) "All Revved Up" was written for Neverland and I believe Jim's attempt to try and calm "Come In The Night". "Two Out Of Three" was inspired by Elvis Presley's "I Want You, I Need You, I Love You" as Mimi Rogers I believe, asked Jim if he could write something simple and said he needed a traditional ballad on "Bat Out Of Hell" and then there's "Paradise". Well, I can't argue with you there, Meat actually dated a girl named Rene Allen and they'd park by the lake and she'd actually say "stop right there.." so this song was inspired by Meat, but it's the only one inspired by on "Bat Out Of Hell" and even then Jimmy still took it to the ultimate extreme with "praying for the end of time" and I believe it was Jimmy who suggested the baseball commentary in the middle of the song.

16 Jul 2003, 10:34	#29
Bart Bald Mega Loafer Join Date: 06.03.2003 Location: Holland, but I prefer Greece Posts: 2,243	lol don''t you ever take a forum to serious

16 Jul 2003, 10:39	#30
Bart Bald Mega Loafer Join Date: 06.03.2003 Location: Holland, but I prefer Greece Posts: 2,243	i was talking bout the songs on BfG by the way, not Bat. An we all know those things you wrote cause we all have read the f...king book and bat III are all new songs cause the fat guy have said that here back in March. and back in march i have already said that meat and jim belongs to eachother and stop with this whole thing now cause it makes me puke.

16 Jul 2003, 17:27	#31
Evan Super Loafer Join Date: 03.07.2003 Location: Florida, USA Posts: 216	"Bat 3" is all new songs lol. I'll bet you a million dollars right now that it isn't.

17 Sep 2003, 07:13	#32
Quigmo Senior Loafer Join Date: 08.08.2003 Location: Nor Cal USA Posts: 111	I'm still waiting to hear the voice do this one. JS version 3/10 ML version ????

30 Mar 2004, 22:26	#34
Michel Mega Loafer Join Date: 14.04.2002 Location: Stadskanaal, The Netherlands Posts: 1,631	I liked the way Meat played it live in 1988. It was just perfect.

30 Mar 2004, 23:42	#35
evil nickname Guest Join Date: 19.04.2003 Posts: 2,238	Yeah, but Michel, you do have a 1988 fetish it seems... wanna talk about it?

31 Mar 2004, 15:37	#36
Bart Bald Mega Loafer Join Date: 06.03.2003 Location: Holland, but I prefer Greece Posts: 2,243	Cause in 88 meat was on his best, Evil Nickname! and you know it. Nobody have sung or will sing in the futere the way Meat has sung back in 88. It was just all a gift from the gods. The Lost Boys and Golden Girls Tour was the best tour he has ever done and not only the vocals but the whole set up. It was definiately Meat on his best. NO ONE HAS SUNG LIKE HIM THE WAY HE HAS SUNG IN 88!

01 Apr 2004, 10:53	#37
Michel Mega Loafer Join Date: 14.04.2002 Location: Stadskanaal, The Netherlands Posts: 1,631	No, I don't want to talk about it. Bart said the way I feel.

01 Apr 2004, 22:19	#38
RSG Mega Loafer Join Date: 27.07.2003 Location: Canada Posts: 3,296	Awesome song by Jimmy! Absolutely astounding, I would love to hear Meat sing it! Jim's 10\10 Meat's \10

01 Apr 2004, 22:37	#39
KebLou Mega Loafer Join Date: 02.03.2004 Location: The Arena of the Unwell Posts: 3,177	I think Jims album is good. Meat wrote the last 6 or so minutes of BOOH (thats what Meat says on the Storytellers DVD). Most of the songs Meat sings which have been written by Jim have been written for Meat. I love Bad for Good the Album.

02 Apr 2004, 15:17	#41
KebLou Mega Loafer Join Date: 02.03.2004 Location: The Arena of the Unwell Posts: 3,177	Ok its still a good song.