Dead Ringer...or Bad for Good? - Page 2

**RadioMaster** · 07 Aug 2006, 21:07

One thing is clear:
If you´re judging just the songs, then Bad for Good IS one of the best albums of the last decades

Jackoutofhell · 08 Aug 2006, 06:00

Although I'm NOT comparing this to Meat's vocals, Dead Ringer takes the cake. Primarily because Bad For Good houses some of the most nauseating vocal performances I've ever heard. Jim on Left In The Dark just makes me want to puke, I'll never subject myself to that horror again. He is okay on some songs, Bad For Good being one. But while the songwriting is still magnificent, he butchers just about everything on the album.

Pudding · 08 Aug 2006, 08:03

So you're basing your opinion on vocal performance only, instead of everything about it, i.e the production, the songs, the whole shabang!

Yeah Jims singing sucks on the album and if it wasn't for the saving grace of Rory Dodd, I'd probably hardly ever listen to it, but that aside, it still edges past Dead Ringer on everything else.

Pud

Bohemian · 08 Aug 2006, 11:53

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Originally Posted by Son Of Meat Loaf

Have you got the vinyl version? It sounds INFINITELY better than the CD version - Peel Out is much 'brighter' sounding, and the vocals seem to have more presence to them.

Well that's very interesting. I do have got it on vinyl but have never listened to it - I most certainly will ge tit out and give it a spin now tho.

As if there weren't already enough reasons for them to give Dead Ringer a good re-release

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And yes, I love Rory's voice to pieces as well.

Jackoutofhell · 08 Aug 2006, 16:59

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Originally Posted by Pudding

So you're basing your opinion on vocal performance only, instead of everything about it, i.e the production, the songs, the whole shabang!

Yeah Jims singing sucks on the album and if it wasn't for the saving grace of Rory Dodd, I'd probably hardly ever listen to it, but that aside, it still edges past Dead Ringer on everything else.

Pud

Sort of, but the vocal performances render the album just about unlistenable to me. Production great, song great, vocals BAD. Truth be known, I probably pay much more attention to vocals than music in a song. And the voice has to deliver the words. If they screw it up, it's like AHHHHHHHHHHHH. Detracts a hell of a lot from the album. So even with Dead Ringer's sketchy production, I view it as superior.

mszee · 08 Aug 2006, 17:20

Does nobody else hear the screeching guitar that I've heard on BFG???

samurai7 · 08 Aug 2006, 18:21

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Originally Posted by Son Of Meat Loaf

Davey's guitar sounds way too tinny on 'Peel Out' and 'Stark Raving Love', but again, over the years I've learned to acccept it

Er, is this what you're talking about?!

mszee · 08 Aug 2006, 18:27

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Originally Posted by Son Of Meat Loaf

Er, is this what you're talking about?!

Well, guess that's it..."tinny" cut off my ears...

Bohemian · 09 Aug 2006, 03:26

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Originally Posted by Jackoutofhell

Sort of, but the vocal performances render the album just about unlistenable to me. Production great, song great, vocals BAD. Truth be known, I probably pay much more attention to vocals than music in a song. And the voice has to deliver the words. If they screw it up, it's like AHHHHHHHHHHHH. Detracts a hell of a lot from the album. So even with Dead Ringer's sketchy production, I view it as superior.

I agree with the vocal delivery carrying a lot of weight, but for me Meat's vocals on Dead Ringer are a hell ofa lot mroe annoying than anything Jim or Rory have ever done.

Or even Karla DeVito. And that's saying somethign cause I find her terribly annoying for the most part.

samurai7 · 09 Aug 2006, 03:54

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Originally Posted by Bohemian

...Or even Karla DeVito. And that's saying somethign cause I find her terribly annoying for the most part....

You're weird

**RadioMaster** · 09 Aug 2006, 19:10

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Originally Posted by Bohemian

I agree with the vocal delivery carrying a lot of weight, but for me Meat's vocals on Dead Ringer are a hell ofa lot mroe annoying than anything Jim or Rory have ever done.

Or even Karla DeVito. And that's saying somethign cause I find her terribly annoying for the most part.

I cant judge the voices for the whole albums it´s depending on the songs, DRFL or MTYD are much better than Jim´s LITD, but Jim´s BfG vocals are much better than Meat´s on Peel out.

Btw, looked at DR booklet and saw that the background vocals of Peel out were done by "Leslie Loaf"

Didnt knew that Leslie sang...

mszee · 09 Aug 2006, 19:15

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Originally Posted by Radiomaster

I cant judge the voices for the whole albums it´s depending on the songs, DRFL or MTYD are much better than Jim´s LITD, but Jim´s BfG vocals are much better than Meat´s on Peel out.

Btw, looked at DR booklet and saw that the background vocals of Peel out were done by "Leslie Loaf"

Didnt knew that Leslie sang...

This actually is one of the uncommon Meat Loaf Trivia - this is the only song and the only album where Leslie was singing back up.

German Loafer · 10 Aug 2006, 18:07

Well til about 3 hours ago I didn't pay much attention to deadringer, but I've listened to the old vinyl my father owns, and I'm fallen in love with it.
It certainly lacks some of the greatness of the Bats but it might become my third or fourth favourite Meat albums (depends of how much I will like Bat III)
Shame the CD version seams to be crap, I hate having to go down into the cellar to listen to music, we haven't got a vinyl-player or whatever a "Plattenspieler" ist called in english anywhere else in the house.

Bohemian · 11 Aug 2006, 08:30

Well Leslie didn't "sing" It's just her doing the "come on boy" bit.

Having Leslie do the featured female voice on Peel Out is nothing, have any of you looked in the liner notes on the LP of Midnight at the Lost and Found recently?

L. Aday is credited as co writing Wolf At Your Door. I've always figured it was a tax dodge of some kind just to make sure that if anyone tried to screw Meat over again it'd be a little more difficult. But it's just listed as 'Buslowe / Aday' on the CD version I have.

Bohemian · 11 Aug 2006, 08:32

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Originally Posted by German Loafer

We haven't got a vinyl-player or whatever a "Plattenspieler" ist called in english anywhere else in the house.

Record player.

Or a phonogram.

German Loafer · 11 Aug 2006, 09:49

Thanks!

mszee · 12 Aug 2006, 21:08

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Originally Posted by Bohemian

Well Leslie didn't "sing" It's just her doing the "come on boy" bit.

Having Leslie do the featured female voice on Peel Out is nothing, have any of you looked in the liner notes on the LP of Midnight at the Lost and Found recently?

L. Aday is credited as co writing Wolf At Your Door. I've always figured it was a tax dodge of some kind just to make sure that if anyone tried to screw Meat over again it'd be a little more difficult. But it's just listed as 'Buslowe / Aday' on the CD version I have.

I actually read somewhere that some songs (lyrics) on Midnight were co-written by Meat and Leslie. Not sure I ever read that she's written the lyrics to Wolf by herself - thought it was her and Meat

Leah · 12 Aug 2006, 22:10

This is quite a tough choice because both have some truly great classics on them. For me though Bad For Good just tops the scales, nearly every song on there is a masterpiece however Dead Ringer is the first album of Meat's I ever bought (from the look of the cover) and will always hold that special place for me, 'I'm gonna love her' just blew me away as did 'Read 'em and weep'. Both albums have stand out tracks but if I have to make a choice then it would be Bad For Good. I also love to hear Jim sing too, although not the world's greatest singer, what he lacks he makes up for in raw emotion and i'll never tire of him singing 'Surf's up' and 'Left in the dark'. And to contain 'Surf's up' 'Left in the dark' and 'Out of the frying pan' (my 3 all time favourite tracks) in one album, well it can't get much better!!

samurai7 · 13 Aug 2006, 03:43

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Originally Posted by Leah

...I also love to hear Jim sing too, although not the world's greatest singer, what he lacks he makes up for in raw emotion and i'll never tire of him singing 'Surf's up' and 'Left in the dark'...

I feel horrible bursting your bubble (and yet strangely compelled...) but Jim doesn't sing on 'Surf's Up'. The voice belongs to Rory Dodd. The same is true of 'Lost Boys & Golden Girls' and 'Rock & Roll Dreams Come Through' also.

Bohemian · 13 Aug 2006, 12:20

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Originally Posted by mszee

I actually read somewhere that some songs (lyrics) on Midnight were co-written by Meat and Leslie. Not sure I ever read that she's written the lyrics to Wolf by herself - thought it was her and Meat

Oh right on, that surprises me. But I guess it shouldn't, as Leslie is no less of a song writer than Meat is I suppose

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Leah · 13 Aug 2006, 14:28

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Originally Posted by Son Of Meat Loaf

I feel horrible bursting your bubble (and yet strangely compelled...) but Jim doesn't sing on 'Surf's Up'. The voice belongs to Rory Dodd. The same is true of 'Lost Boys & Golden Girls' and 'Rock & Roll Dreams Come Through' also.

Thanks for that!!! I was having a 'blonde' moment! DOH!

mszee · 14 Aug 2006, 01:20

Actually I find it quite interesting that these two albums seem to have equal or almost equal number of fans judging by this poll

Pudding · 14 Aug 2006, 02:45

I think quite a few people voted for Deadringer because it's a Meat Loaf album and not necessarily a better album. Just an observation.

Pud

mszee · 14 Aug 2006, 05:14

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Originally Posted by Pudding

I think quite a few people voted for Deadringer because it's a Meat Loaf album and not necessarily a better album. Just an observation.

Pud

But, of course...that's why BFG is being almost at the same place is quite so amazing...but I guess balance was inevitable...even on ML fan site.

Both albums have Steinman's songs...BFG has better songs but Dead Ringer, in my opinion, has better vocals...so I guess no surprise at the end of the day...

Ross · 14 Aug 2006, 11:34

Wow I find this one very difficult to answer - I truly love them both. I think I'm going to have to go neutral on this one.

View Poll Results: Dead Ringer or Bad for Good?
Dead Ringer (Meat)	20	41.67%
Bad for Good (Jim)	22	45.83%
Dunno/cant decide/what?	6	12.50%
Voters: 48. You may not vote on this poll

07 Aug 2006, 21:07	#26
RadioMaster The German Join Date: 11.03.2006 Location: some kind of hunting lodge for rich weirdos... Posts: 15,778	One thing is clear: If you´re judging just the songs, then Bad for Good IS one of the best albums of the last decades

08 Aug 2006, 06:00	#27
Jackoutofhell Super Loafer Join Date: 13.03.2006 Posts: 369	Although I'm NOT comparing this to Meat's vocals, Dead Ringer takes the cake. Primarily because Bad For Good houses some of the most nauseating vocal performances I've ever heard. Jim on Left In The Dark just makes me want to puke, I'll never subject myself to that horror again. He is okay on some songs, Bad For Good being one. But while the songwriting is still magnificent, he butchers just about everything on the album.

08 Aug 2006, 08:03	#28
Pudding I'm A Prize Fight Lover... Join Date: 22.10.2003 Location: New Zealand Posts: 5,532	So you're basing your opinion on vocal performance only, instead of everything about it, i.e the production, the songs, the whole shabang! Yeah Jims singing sucks on the album and if it wasn't for the saving grace of Rory Dodd, I'd probably hardly ever listen to it, but that aside, it still edges past Dead Ringer on everything else. Pud

08 Aug 2006, 17:20	#31
mszee Mega Loafer Join Date: 28.03.2006 Location: And you think you're down under??? Posts: 26,252	Does nobody else hear the screeching guitar that I've heard on BFG???

10 Aug 2006, 18:07	#38
German Loafer Loafer Join Date: 26.04.2006 Location: Telgte Posts: 72	Well til about 3 hours ago I didn't pay much attention to deadringer, but I've listened to the old vinyl my father owns, and I'm fallen in love with it. It certainly lacks some of the greatness of the Bats but it might become my third or fourth favourite Meat albums (depends of how much I will like Bat III) Shame the CD version seams to be crap, I hate having to go down into the cellar to listen to music, we haven't got a vinyl-player or whatever a "Plattenspieler" ist called in english anywhere else in the house.

11 Aug 2006, 08:30	#39
Bohemian Super Loafer Join Date: 14.11.2002 Location: Belgium Posts: 496	Well Leslie didn't "sing" It's just her doing the "come on boy" bit. Having Leslie do the featured female voice on Peel Out is nothing, have any of you looked in the liner notes on the LP of Midnight at the Lost and Found recently? L. Aday is credited as co writing Wolf At Your Door. I've always figured it was a tax dodge of some kind just to make sure that if anyone tried to screw Meat over again it'd be a little more difficult. But it's just listed as 'Buslowe / Aday' on the CD version I have.

11 Aug 2006, 09:49	#41
German Loafer Loafer Join Date: 26.04.2006 Location: Telgte Posts: 72	Thanks!

12 Aug 2006, 22:10	#43
Leah Mega Loafer Join Date: 03.04.2005 Location: Cleethorpes, North East coast of England Posts: 1,510	This is quite a tough choice because both have some truly great classics on them. For me though Bad For Good just tops the scales, nearly every song on there is a masterpiece however Dead Ringer is the first album of Meat's I ever bought (from the look of the cover) and will always hold that special place for me, 'I'm gonna love her' just blew me away as did 'Read 'em and weep'. Both albums have stand out tracks but if I have to make a choice then it would be Bad For Good. I also love to hear Jim sing too, although not the world's greatest singer, what he lacks he makes up for in raw emotion and i'll never tire of him singing 'Surf's up' and 'Left in the dark'. And to contain 'Surf's up' 'Left in the dark' and 'Out of the frying pan' (my 3 all time favourite tracks) in one album, well it can't get much better!!

14 Aug 2006, 01:20	#47
mszee Mega Loafer Join Date: 28.03.2006 Location: And you think you're down under??? Posts: 26,252	Actually I find it quite interesting that these two albums seem to have equal or almost equal number of fans judging by this poll

14 Aug 2006, 02:45	#48
Pudding I'm A Prize Fight Lover... Join Date: 22.10.2003 Location: New Zealand Posts: 5,532	I think quite a few people voted for Deadringer because it's a Meat Loaf album and not necessarily a better album. Just an observation. Pud

14 Aug 2006, 11:34	#50
Ross Best Sig and Avatar 2006!!! (shared) Join Date: 25.11.2003 Location: Coatbridge near Glasgow. Scotland Posts: 3,446	Wow I find this one very difficult to answer - I truly love them both. I think I'm going to have to go neutral on this one.