Use of language

[KebLou]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Spud

You have information that's past down from generation to generation that certain words are bad but nobody knows why they're bad, they've just been told that they are. It's probably because they've been programmed to believe that they are by certain members of society who no doubt themselves was told by other certain members of society that a word was bad.

I suggest that you don't blame someone for using a swear word but you blame people like keb's nan (no offense keb) and other older members of society for deciding that a word was bad in the first place! Because if they didn't then perhaps that particular word might have been fogotten or not used at all.

Spud

None taken Spud, but spud you can't change peoples opinions on whether a word is acceptable or not, because I know plenty of people who swear without a second thought but even some words the will never say because they class it as unacceptable, like my nan will say S--- but not other words and my mums friend will nearly every word which can be classed a swear word but won't say one or two.
I agree it is everyones perception, but everyone is allowed an opinion and they might not like to hear it, like would you really like to hear a 5 yr old walking around saying any of those words, I know I wouldn't and when my little brother said F--- in front of me I went crazy, yeah I may have used the word once or twice before but never in front of him. It all depends on the person.
Kebbie

[Pudding]

I agree, I think some people over-use the word to a point where it becomes boring.

But you clearly made my point by the way you reacted to your little brother saying f***. If you hadn't reacted the way you did then he probably wouldn't know it's a swear word he? and maybe he'd have forgotten about it until the next time he watched TV. I think it's through pre-programmed reactions and actions like yours that has turned an average ordinary word into a swear word.

I know everyone has an opinion about swearing but just because somebody does swear, it doesn't make them a bad person. ~~~~~~ never swore and despised anyone who did and look how he turned out.

Pud

[KebLou]

Yeah I see what you mean, he hasn't ever said it again, I've heard nearly all the words so much now that I don't flinch like I used to.

[DIZZY DRUMMER]

Just the way society is going - not necessarily for the best

I am proud that my 15 yrs old daughter may have her faults - but swearing is not one of them - she hates it if I say Bloody.

[black dog]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Spud

When and who decided that a word was bad?

When in society or in history past did someone say "You can't use that word because it's bad"? and who said it? and who agreed that it was bad? and which people in society said yes that's a bad word?. I tell ya it's the church goers the do-gooders and the people of society who think they're better than somebody else - that's who!.

Who decided saying b*st*rd was bad when it's said in the Bible numerous times?
Who said saying shit was bad even if it has the same meaning as poo?
Who decided that f*ck was a bad word when nobody knew what a f*ck was?
The list is endless but who decided that they were bad words?

Who told YOU that f*ck was a bad word? probably your parents! and who told them? probably their parents! and who told them? their parents, school or Church and then who told them? - you get the picture!.

You have information that's past down from generation to generation that certain words are bad but nobody knows why they're bad, they've just been told that they are. It's probably because they've been programmed to believe that they are by certain members of society who no doubt themselves was told by other certain members of society that a word was bad.

I suggest that you don't blame someone for using a swear word but you blame people like keb's nan (no offense keb) and other older members of society for deciding that a word was bad in the first place! Because if they didn't then perhaps that particular word might have been fogotten or not used at all.

Spud

This is very true Spud as we learn all our ideas about right and wrong from other people.

Most people appreciate it when people say 'Please' and 'Thank you' but why should people use these words except that we are taught it is polite by our parents.

Overall the information we are given by our parents about right and wrong has a positive effect on society. Therefore, so what if some of it isn't beneficial

[Alex]

Originally Posted by Winston

Personally I learnt all my swear words from Meat....WHICH I READ OF HERE....I don't see anyone on the thread mentioning his use of words.

Ooopss what was I thinking......one rule for one......

This is about the forums I believe you're talking about concerts. If Meat was to come here f'in and blinding (after a no-swear policy was in place, maybe we'd see the 'eavy mob come down upon him).

I understand your point that we 'ignore' Meat's stage vocab, but that is a) part of his act at times, and b) not (as i've just said) relevant to here.

Just a side note, (veering back onto topic, if I may). How far would you take this? Which words would you 'block', how would we decide these? Do you take out only the 'strong' words, or do you go for some of the 'weaker' ones also? Do you bridge the boundary of religion and say that blasphamy (sp?) is not allowed.... these two rules take out quite a few acronym's. OMG! OMFG!! ROFLMAO!! LMAO!!....

I'm all for keeping to 'polite' conversation. (nice post previous to this about 'politeness' inheritance). However I don't believe that we could impose any rules on swearing. Maybe post some language 'guidelines', asking people to refrain from it where unnecessary (how to determine that? ). I personally reached a stage where I decided I swore too much for my own liking (not in comparrison to others of my age though I'd say) and so am widing my used vocab. :)

:) :o :P

p.s. Smilies added for the pleasure of Sue (and nah, I sha'nt be cutting down my use of these little babies ).

[Winston]

Originally Posted by Amadiere

This is about the forums I believe you're talking about concerts. If Meat was to come here f'in and blinding (after a no-swear policy was in place, maybe we'd see the 'eavy mob come down upon him).

No I wasn't talking about his concert! I was talking about his choice of words on here...and the heavy mob have NOT come down on him for insults towards other fans here.

[DIZZY DRUMMER]

Winston wrote:

No I wasn't talking about his concert! I was talking about his choice of words on here...and the heavy mob have NOT come down on him for insults towards other fans here.

That is old news now and finished with why drag it up again?????

Anyway - I think the language on the chat is terrible at times - especially by some individuals. Even when asked to refrain they continued. What about that being monitored randomly not just the forum ?????

We like to go on there after a hard day and unwind with friends - have a laugh and a joke - share the day - not listen to such obscenities and be abused

[KebLou]

Originally Posted by FALLEN ANGEL1000

Anyway - I think the language on the chat is terrible at times - especially by some individuals. Even when asked to refrain they continued. What about that being monitored randomly not just the forum ?????

We like to go on there after a hard day and unwind with friends - have a laugh and a joke - share the day - not listen to such obscenities and be abused

I think you are right there FA, and I know I have sworn on the chat once but that was after enduring at least a few hours of someone calling me names, and even so it was a repeat of what they said. I feel sorry for the people who came on and didn't know what had happened and wanted to come on to relax.

[Winston]

I was replying to Alex..........the thread is about use of language on the board isn't it?

[black dog]

Surely though if people do not want bad language on the forum that would go for the chatroom as well as it is the same people in there that are on the forums.

I have been in the chatroom a few times when people have come in there to just be obusive to other people. This is not the purpose of the chatroom which is there for people to share experiences, have a laugh and get to know each other better.

[DIZZY DRUMMER]

Here here BD

Surely bad language anywhere on the site should be considered an issue

[[RDH]draconia]

im not much for the forum lately reading it that is , but i do go into the chatroom an di also admit that i do sometimes swear in there but most of the people in there know what im like
and i do try and curbe it
I also play on-line games and the group that i am with have kicked and banned a member for the abuse and swearing that he done
It wasnt a decision that was made lightly and he was warned many times
and all he said was

i am only 16

the sad point is english is his second language he is german and as he was pointed out if he could spell/type the word he knew what it ment and he also put off a lot of new members to the group because of it, as well as fellow members




i am sorry if this offends anyone

draconia

[DIZZY DRUMMER]

Drac

the odd swear word in the chat to express an opinion is not a problem - but constant abuse at people is not acceptable.

[[RDH]draconia]

phew thats oh ok then

[KebLou]

Originally Posted by FALLEN ANGEL1000

Drac

the odd swear word in the chat to express an opinion is not a problem - but constant abuse at people is not acceptable.

I think thats fair, although I try not to swear as it can cause unnessary offence. Maybe I'm to considerate,

[heat]

Having not been around for a while, i thought i'd just comment on this.

Personally, i don't mind swearing. That's not to say that i do it in front of my kids, or that i'd like other people to swear in front of them, but lets be realistic here. We live in a society, that rightly or wrongly has decided that some words aren't 'good' and looks down on people that use them. It's like Sheffif Spud said, it's how a person interprets what another one says that causes offence.

I really don't mind if people here on the forum swear or not. Yes, i swear sometimes. But that's just me. If it offends anyone, then don't read what i write. Simple as that.

[Dave]

*blah*

[The Archangel Gabriel]

Interesting to read people's views

we'll agree to disagree, each to his own, live and let live
no further comment from me.

Yours faithfully
Gabriel

[Kathy]

Originally Posted by LostSoul

Some 'well-turned phrases' without any swearing can be much more offensive than the swearing itself.
Patricia

My feelings exactly, Patricia.
-Kathy

[Rob The Badger]

Originally Posted by heat

Having not been around for a while, i thought i'd just comment on this.

Personally, i don't mind swearing. That's not to say that i do it in front of my kids, or that i'd like other people to swear in front of them, but lets be realistic here. We live in a society, that rightly or wrongly has decided that some words aren't 'good' and looks down on people that use them. It's like Sheffif Spud said, it's how a person interprets what another one says that causes offence.

I really don't mind if people here on the forum swear or not. Yes, i swear sometimes. But that's just me. If it offends anyone, then don't read what i write. Simple as that.

Spot on. I've got no qualms about it. I try to use other language where possible, but I don't look down on people who use the occasional 'naughty' word.