MMW Tour Board Tapes

[Adje]

Originally Posted by Fire Ball

what a board tape is

It's a tape you put up to this fan Board, hence the word board tape

[Wario]

a board tape is your raw performance in one huge file recorded via the soundboard through a pro tools system.

Meat im really excited to hear these. its just icing on the cake of the DVD release :)

[Wario]

really excited to hear these..... will these be on soundcloud or what?

[Wario]

OK I hope this isnt one of these things that are freaking left unfulfilled like bible and a beer on the live CD. Ive been excited to hear these.

A board tape is the raw unaltered performance as recorded through the soundboard. There its answered. Now please paul give us our shots

[olblueeyes]

Originally Posted by Wario

OK I hope this isnt one of these things that are freaking left unfulfilled like bible and a beer on the live CD. Ive been excited to hear these.

A board tape is the raw unaltered performance as recorded through the soundboard. There its answered. Now please paul give us our shots

Wario, it might be an idea to temper your enthusiasm over these and be patient. If I were Meat and read that last post I'd be a bit pissed off as it reads quite cheeky (and not in a good way).

Let's remember that Meat is a very busy man and has an op on his knee coming up. He said he'd get them so can't we all just wait and see? Anything he is kind enough to ask Paul to let us hear is a bonus. Seems rather ungrateful to second guess him and suggest that he won't come through.

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[MarkS]

I'm quite excited about the prospect of hearing these

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[The Flying Mouse]

Originally Posted by olblueeyes

Wario, it might be an idea to temper your enthusiasm over these and be patient.

Thank you

Chris, it will happen.
The half on the admin staff that has been dealing with Paul about has been a bit preocupied of late by getting married and going to Rome on Honeymoon and stuff.

I can say, without question of a doubt, if I were in Rome with my newly wedded wife, the board tapes would NOT be priority one

Paul has been in touch with me in the meantime, but i'm no tech head and i've had to put him back over to Andy and R.
But I know things are moving in the right direction.

I do know that Meat is very specific that he wants these tapes put online in a way that they can be listened to, but not downloaded (or, I assume, in any other way recorded, which I think is pretty much impossible).
Perhaps that condition is proving to cause a few delays itself.


I admire and respect your passion and dedication for Meat's work, but these tantrums and outbursts every time you don't get something you want, or if you don't get it quick enough, are getting to be a little grating

[suzieq]

Thanks for the update Mouse.

[Vickip]

Thank you very much for the update Mouse

[The Flying Mouse]

Originally Posted by suzieq

Thanks for the update Mouse.

Originally Posted by Vickip

Thank you very much for the update Mouse

You're both very welcome

I'm sorry there isn't more to tell right now, but at least we know things will get done.

[CarylB]

Originally Posted by The Flying Mouse

I do know that Meat is very specific that he wants these tapes put online in a way that they can be listened to, but not downloaded (or, I assume, in any other way recorded, which I think is pretty much impossible).

And when you consider the speed at which anything which can be downloaded is plastered over YT, or shoved on Torrent networks, and the alacrity with which people pillory Meat over anything with the slightest imperfections, I can fully understand his wishes on the matter.

And should it prove to be impossible to put them on line in the way he wants, any blame can be laid at the door of those who do that, and not Meat in my view.

[Wario]

Cool. I'm just concerned it was gonna be something else were I'd get my hopes up.

[Adje]

Originally Posted by The Flying Mouse

Thank you

Chris, it will happen.

LOL

Originally Posted by Fire Ball

Ok ,Board tapes we were going to put them up , BUT , excuses excuses excuses. I ramble. Duh !!!!
Meat

I am not surprised there aren't any boardtapes. I never expected Meat to come trough on this.

First we had to play "Say what they are if you want 'm' immediately followed with the 'no downloading' excuse. I don't think 'they' ever intended to release them. To be honest it's not the first time we heard this and it's not the first time it didn't happen.

[R.]

How about we all excercise a little patience, mmh?

[The Flying Mouse]

Originally Posted by Fire Ball

Ok ,Board tapes we were going to put them up , BUT , we only wanted you to hear them not be able to download them. This site we can put them up but can not stop downloading . So, I'm sorry until we figure out a way to stop downloading they will not go up.

As I said..................

Originally Posted by The Flying Mouse

I do know that Meat is very specific that he wants these tapes put online in a way that they can be listened to, but not downloaded (or, I assume, in any other way recorded, which I think is pretty much impossible).
Perhaps that condition is proving to cause a few delays itself.

I still believe there's a way to get the tapes up without people being able to download.
Perhaps my lack of understanding in techie matters is behind that though

Originally Posted by Adje

LOL


I am not surprised there aren't any boardtapes. I never expected Meat to come trough on this.

First we had to play "Say what they are if you want 'm' immediately followed with the 'no downloading' excuse. I don't think 'they' ever intended to release them. To be honest it's not the first time we heard this and it's not the first time it didn't happen.

All I can tell you is that Paul contacted me on Facebook and seemed genuinly enthusiastic about getting the tapes up for us all to hear. He was basically saying to me "OK, here they are, how do you want to put them up?".
Fact!
Unfortunatly I Couldn't help him (see above) and had to refere him to Andy and R. I was hoping a way around the dowload issue would have been found by now, but it looks like it's even trickier than I first thought

There is genuine intent from Meat to let us hear these tapes, but the downloading issue is proving to be a bigger pain than I first thought.
Hopefully someone will know a way around it.

I can understand why Meat doesn't want the board tapes available for download.

For one, a "bootleg" of this quality could be sold for money.

Meat has recently brought out a live DVD, so why release this for free when it is bound to effect sales.

Meat (if I remember correctly) said a while ago that he was taking all the live stuff off youtube because something big was happening, but he couldn't talk about it until/if it was ready to go.
If he went to the trouble of taking down even the crappiest mobile phone footage, why would he want the board tapes up there?

I like Jonty's suggestion, but I don't think it would work somehow

[Evil One]

Originally Posted by The Flying Mouse

For one, a "bootleg" of this quality could be sold for money.

It still could. It's not difficult to record something 'undownloadable' and save it as an audio file.

[The Flying Mouse]

Originally Posted by Evil One

It still could. It's not difficult to record something 'undownloadable' and save it as an audio file.

True.
But as it's not online only a limited few have access to it, so it has a far less chance of seeing the black market than if it were online and available to many.

[loaferman61]

Originally Posted by Adje

LOL


I am not surprised there aren't any boardtapes. I never expected Meat to come trough on this.

First we had to play "Say what they are if you want 'm' immediately followed with the 'no downloading' excuse. I don't think 'they' ever intended to release them. To be honest it's not the first time we heard this and it's not the first time it didn't happen.

People can say what they want, but it is hard to argue with this. Everyone knows if it can be heard it can be recorded. I say this with all due respect, but logically I can not not disagree.

[loaferman61]

Originally Posted by The Flying Mouse

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For one, a "bootleg" of this quality could be sold for money.

Meat has recently brought out a live DVD, so why release this for free when it is bound to effect sales.

This would not be a competitor to the DVD and if people knew it was a free gift most who wanted a Meat Loaf tape would get it free. Meat from what I can tell had no interest in making money off these tapes. If you want to purchase bootlegs of full concerts I can already tell you where they are for sale right now. I supposed releasing them as edited versions as opposed to full length would not make anyone happy. I'm surprised to learn that Paul was not aware they could be recorded and thought there was a way to stop them from being downloaded. I do not mean to sound disrespectful to anyone and I appreciate their efforts, I assumed (my fault) that they were not concerned with copying. The live tracks sold on itunes are available anywhere you want to look, only 1 person has to buy a copy for it to be out.

[Adje]

Originally Posted by R.

How about we all excercise a little patience, mmh?

That we already did, me thinks. Several times I might add

[CarylB]

Originally Posted by R.

How about we all excercise a little patience, mmh?

Yes, and perhaps some courtesy and respect for the man who owns them, who has plenty on his plate at the moment, and simply wanted to please some people but without having to do something he doesn't want to do.

[loaferman61]

Facts are facts. We've been down this road more than once and it always ends the same. Lucy always offered Charlie Brown the football but she always pulled it away. Yes she owned the football, but she offered Charlie a chance to kick it. Charlie Brown refused to accept reality too and kept falling on his ass. I ain't kicking at the ball any more.

[CarylB]

Lucy was taunting him with no intention at all of letting him kick the ball and then laughing at his expense.

I do not believe for one moment Meat is doing this. It is your interpretation of what you call "the facts", and personally I find it a rather offensive one. Meat has hoped to do things which ultimately he has not been able to do at times, eg set lists. He knows there are those who really want to hear board tapes, and he said yes but just to listen .. probably hoping some way could be found to do this.

If it was implied that I was taunting people I valued for some kind of perverse sport I know I'd not bother to even try and please them any more.

[loaferman61]

Then just put them up for sale and I will purchase them. If bootlegging has become such a worry that you can not give away something you keep offering then sell it, problem solved. When I said facts are facts I meant this has happened before, how many times now? Look back at my posts I was steadfast that Meat would deliver on this... this time for sure. Now I am wrong and that is fine. I can live just fine without board tapes but maybe wait until you have something ready then drop us a surprise, don't make me answer what is a board tape & string me along. Offended or not, the bottom line is if bootlegging is such a concern then sell it, and even then it will be bootlegged anyway. Ever since tape recorders were invented if you can hear it you can copy it. This is not a new concept. If necessary I will go back and pull the posts where I expressed full confidence that these would be delivered - I believed- so nobody can play the I didn't respect anyone card.

Originally Posted by loaferman61

I know he's busy, so I have not bothered asking. But this board was pretty much told we would get some board tapes from the Australian tour which was being slagged by the press. I feel like this was pretty close to a promise and I have maintained in prior posts that I believe Meat will deliver when he has time.

[Wario]

meat wont find a way to make it undownloadable. Losing faith in all these promises sometimes. bible and a beer, all of me soundcheck in sydney, the soundboards......

I say make it a profit for painted turtle. nobody looses