Should Meat record every Steinman song ever written? Good idea? - Page 2

chairboys · 07 Nov 2011, 15:28

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Originally Posted by Ollie241189

See I disagree. I like some of the re-recorded stuff. Like No Matter What, everyone heard the Boyzone version first but Meat's version was better. So it could be possible that they would be better

I agree with you on this one.
There are 2 reasons for this. Firstly, I think they came out at roughly the same time so I thought Boyzone were nicking Meat's song!
And much more importantly - I got married shortly after that and it was our first dance at our wedding.
What a choice!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ollie241189 · 07 Nov 2011, 15:31

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Originally Posted by chairboys

I agree with you on this one.
There are 2 reasons for this. Firstly, I think they came out at roughly the same time so I thought Boyzone were nicking Meat's song!
And much more importantly - I got married shortly after that and it was our first dance at our wedding.
What a choice!!!!!!!!!!!!

Lol see I picked that example especially for you lol

chairboys · 07 Nov 2011, 15:33

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Originally Posted by Ollie241189

Lol see I picked that example especially for you lol

Happy memories!!

glamourgirl · 07 Nov 2011, 15:45

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Originally Posted by Wario

sounds great, but youd need way more then one CD (maybe more then three!)

as for TEOMH, Patti being lead and Meat doing the "turn around"s wouldnt be bad at all.

I've always wanted to hear Patti sing Total Eclipse w/ Meat.
Braver Than We Are is another one I've always wanted to hear.

Ollie241189 · 07 Nov 2011, 17:28

I think it should happen, whether it take up 3 CDs, 4CDs or however many CDs!!! It could be a new project and we all know Meat and Jim have a spark that doesn't happen to any other artist!!!

loaferman61 · 07 Nov 2011, 21:48

Shouldn't happen and won't happen. I hold out a glimmer of hope for one last song ("Body") probably from a version Jim already has done. Maybe a couple of songs tops. Jim isn't going to produce anything anytime soon. He may still be scribbling stuff on the backs of napkins but that is all I can imagine he is doing. I think it would be sad for what is potentially the last Meat Loaf album not to have a "new" Steinman song on it even though it may overshadow the rest of the album. Meat seems to be on a roll doing his own thing successfully, he has his own studio now and I hope even if he stops touring that he will keep recording which he can do at his own pace if he can keep a distribution deal. I think Meat still has gas in the tank, Jim appears to be on empty.

Ollie241189 · 07 Nov 2011, 22:02

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Originally Posted by loaferman61

Shouldn't happen and won't happen. I hold out a glimmer of hope for one last song ("Body") probably from a version Jim already has done. Maybe a couple of songs tops. Jim isn't going to produce anything anytime soon. He may still be scribbling stuff on the backs of napkins but that is all I can imagine he is doing. I think it would be sad for what is potentially the last Meat Loaf album not to have a "new" Steinman song on it even though it may overshadow the rest of the album. Meat seems to be on a roll doing his own thing successfully, he has his own studio now and I hope even if he stops touring that he will keep recording which he can do at his own pace if he can keep a distribution deal. I think Meat still has gas in the tank, Jim appears to be on empty.

But Meat AND Jim have both expressed interest in working on another project together!!! A million and one fans want it to happen but it was just an idea. It would be something that I would definitely buy and would love to have!!!

Evil Ernie · 07 Nov 2011, 23:01

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Originally Posted by Ollie241189

But Meat AND Jim have both expressed interest in working on another project together!!! A million and one fans want it to happen but it was just an idea. It would be something that I would definitely buy and would love to have!!!

If they both want it to happen than it will. As someone else said, Jim is on empty.

Still, no reason that he can't use existing songs.

Ollie241189 · 07 Nov 2011, 23:21

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Originally Posted by Evil Ernie

If they both want it to happen than it will. As someone else said, Jim is on empty.

Still, no reason that he can't use existing songs.

That's what I mean! Every song ever written... New AND old!!! I dont think Jim is on empty, it may be a case of writers' block. I dunno. Just a guess.

Evil One · 07 Nov 2011, 23:33

No. Meat shouldn't sing Safe Sex or Rebel Without A Clue for starters.

Ollie241189 · 07 Nov 2011, 23:35

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Originally Posted by Evil One

No. Meat shouldn't sing Safe Sex or Rebel Without A Clue for starters.

No I think he should!!!

Evil Ernie · 07 Nov 2011, 23:55

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Originally Posted by Ollie241189

That's what I mean! Every song ever written... New AND old!!! I dont think Jim is on empty, it may be a case of writers' block. I dunno. Just a guess.

What I don't get is why he didn't go through with 'The Dream Engine' and what's taking so long with the BOOH musical?

It's just speculation, but I think he may be completely done with the music industry. Bat3 was the last straw.

Ollie241189 · 07 Nov 2011, 23:58

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Originally Posted by Evil Ernie

What I don't get is why he didn't go through with 'The Dream Engine' and what's taking so long with the BOOH musical?

It's just speculation, but I think he may be completely done with the music industry. Bat3 was the last straw.

No because if you read Meat's autobiography he states that Jim takes forever to write songs and that back in 1983/1984 the record comany (Arista, I think) wanted a Steinman/Meat album out but weren't prepared to wait for Jim to write an album of songs.

Evil Ernie · 08 Nov 2011, 01:42

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Originally Posted by Ollie241189

No because if you read Meat's autobiography he states that Jim takes forever to write songs and that back in 1983/1984 the record comany (Arista, I think) wanted a Steinman/Meat album out but weren't prepared to wait for Jim to write an album of songs.

True, but JS still put out music during that period. He wasn't stagnant like is now.

And in the end they only had 4 brand new Steinman songs for BOOH2. That's a long time to wait for 4 songs.

Ollie241189 · 08 Nov 2011, 02:42

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Originally Posted by Evil Ernie

True, but JS still put out music during that period. He wasn't stagnant like is now.

And in the end they only had 4 brand new Steinman songs for BOOH2. That's a long time to wait for 4 songs.

I completely agree with you. But as far as we know he's stagnant but how do we know he isn't writing new material? We dont. Meat and Jim both reckon they will work with each other again before they call time on their careers and I cant see any reason to disbelieve that yet. Thing could change but I hope they dont!

Evil Ernie · 08 Nov 2011, 03:40

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Originally Posted by Ollie241189

I completely agree with you. But as far as we know he's stagnant but how do we know he isn't writing new material? We dont. Meat and Jim both reckon they will work with each other again before they call time on their careers and I cant see any reason to disbelieve that yet. Thing could change but I hope they dont!

We all hope. The only thing that makes me skeptical is the amount of abandoned projects lately by Jim: Batman (even though that was by WB), The Dream Engine, Karine Hannahs record, Bonnie Tylers last record and of course The BOOH Musical which appears to be abandoned.

I hope that he's writing new stuff, but there's no sign of... Anything.

juniper · 08 Nov 2011, 06:06

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Originally Posted by Ollie241189

Hi guys,

Well I was having a think (which is dangerous) and would anybody think it would be a good idea if Meat recorded every Jim Steinman song ever written?
I know, obviously, Meat has recorded a lot of Steinman's songs but what about the ones he hasn't recorded?

If they were all put on a CD would you buy it? Could it be the Meat/Steinman project that would be the reunion since the fall out and reconciliation over Bat 3? Could this idea be the conclusion to the Bat Out Of Hell thing that Meat has mentioned in interviews before?

What do you think?

Wouldn't buy them just because they were written by Jim Steinman.

Ollie241189 · 08 Nov 2011, 13:30

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Originally Posted by juniper

Wouldn't buy them just because they were written by Jim Steinman.

No I didnt mean that. Lol. I meant if that was Jim and Meat's reunion idea. Would you buy it because it's a Jim and Meat project? Do you think it's a good idea if Meat was to record every song Jim's ever written?

CarylB · 08 Nov 2011, 20:01

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Originally Posted by loaferman61

Shouldn't happen and won't happen. .... Meat seems to be on a roll doing his own thing successfully, he has his own studio now and I hope even if he stops touring that he will keep recording which he can do at his own pace if he can keep a distribution deal. I think Meat still has gas in the tank ...

This I agree with wholeheartedly. I don't want to knock Jim Steinman, but I just don't see much evidence of him delivering these days. Meat on the other hand has worked continuously through all the years since BOOH, toured relentlessly, issued albums, kept moving forward, and has found his own new style, which I love and hope to hear more of. I have many Steinman songs which Meat has recorded. I love them, but I have them and don't need some gigantic compendium of them all over again, nor do I feel the need to have others added.

Yes, Meat always holds the door open to recording with Jim again. That's the kind of man he is. He knows what he owes to their partnership and their friendship, and he honours it. But I think to take that as an indication they will be working together again (let alone on something of this scale) is an assumption that is flawed, and I don't frankly see the extensive and time-consuming project that the original question asked in this thread would take to be likely to happen. I'd prefer that time to be devoted to Meat continuing in his new style frankly, bringing me fresh material, new arrangements, and continuing his new adventure in rock and roll.

Not sure where the million and one comes from

There may be a number of the far lesser sized group on this forum who want this to happen. But deduct one

Caryl

juniper · 08 Nov 2011, 20:06

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Originally Posted by Ollie241189

No I didnt mean that. Lol. I meant if that was Jim and Meat's reunion idea. Would you buy it because it's a Jim and Meat project? Do you think it's a good idea if Meat was to record every song Jim's ever written?

If, someday, they had a new project, I think a lot of people would be interested in it, including Meat! I'd buy a new Meat and Jim album because I would buy a new Meat Loaf album. I don't think Meat needs to record every song ever written by Jim. It was a great union but not a necessary one for the Meat's long-term, current, and future career. BAOH launched Meat and catapulted him into rock history but sometime's it's time to focus and move forward, onward and upward. Full-steam ahead. Never look back. Oh my, coffee, fast.

Ollie241189 · 08 Nov 2011, 21:27

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Originally Posted by juniper

If, someday, they had a new project, I think a lot of people would be interested in it, including Meat! I'd buy a new Meat and Jim album because I would buy a new Meat Loaf album. I don't think Meat needs to record every song ever written by Jim. It was a great union but not a necessary one for the Meat's long-term, current, and future career. BAOH launched Meat and catapulted him into rock history but sometime's it's time to focus and move forward, onward and upward. Full-steam ahead. Never look back. Oh my, coffee, fast.

Ok so should I just close the thread then?

juniper · 08 Nov 2011, 21:30

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Originally Posted by Ollie241189

Ok so should I just close the thread then?

lol!! I think Fireball should weigh in his thoughts!

Ollie241189 · 08 Nov 2011, 21:34

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Originally Posted by juniper

lol!! I think Fireball should weigh in his thoughts!

Fire Ball wont post his thoughts. He's a very busy man and looking back it IS a silly idea. Just thought I would try something different for my first thread.

Oh well onward an upward as everyone is saying.

CarylB · 08 Nov 2011, 21:39

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Originally Posted by Ollie241189

Ok so should I just close the thread then?

Well no Ollie, in particular because you can't unless you have moderator privileges

But you asked what we thought, and must expect that not all of us will necessarily share your view

No-one's said it's a crap idea .. Some agree with you .. but some of us don't. That's what happens. And anyway we represent just a small percentage of Meat's worldwide fanbase

And it's not "silly". Have you seen some of Warrio's threads and polls?

It got people thinking and expressing their views; no-one got angry, no-one got hurt .. and for those reasons alone it was a fair question to ask

Caryl

juniper · 08 Nov 2011, 21:44

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Originally Posted by Ollie241189

Fire Ball wont post his thoughts. He's a very busy man and looking back it IS a silly idea. Just thought I would try something different for my first thread.

Oh well onward an upward as everyone is saying.

Not a silly thought!

Welcome to the Forum!

And, sometimes Fireball does post his thoughts.

07 Nov 2011, 17:28	#30
Ollie241189 Guest Join Date: 27.10.2011 Posts: 408	I think it should happen, whether it take up 3 CDs, 4CDs or however many CDs!!! It could be a new project and we all know Meat and Jim have a spark that doesn't happen to any other artist!!!

07 Nov 2011, 21:48	#31
loaferman61 Mega Loafer Join Date: 27.03.2003 Location: In the dark Posts: 1,557	Shouldn't happen and won't happen. I hold out a glimmer of hope for one last song ("Body") probably from a version Jim already has done. Maybe a couple of songs tops. Jim isn't going to produce anything anytime soon. He may still be scribbling stuff on the backs of napkins but that is all I can imagine he is doing. I think it would be sad for what is potentially the last Meat Loaf album not to have a "new" Steinman song on it even though it may overshadow the rest of the album. Meat seems to be on a roll doing his own thing successfully, he has his own studio now and I hope even if he stops touring that he will keep recording which he can do at his own pace if he can keep a distribution deal. I think Meat still has gas in the tank, Jim appears to be on empty.

07 Nov 2011, 23:33	#35
Evil One Mega Loafer Join Date: 15.01.2007 Posts: 5,192	No. Meat shouldn't sing Safe Sex or Rebel Without A Clue for starters.