Can we talk about bootlegs?

[evil nickname]

But it's not on the jimsteinman.com site at all.

[Evil One]

Indeed. I believe Rapdishare could probably get in trouble for all the stuff that I uploaded, but not JimSteinman.com.

[RadioMaster]

dont rapidshare say that youre not allowed to upload copyrighted files? so they're out of hte noose.

[evil nickname]

But what if you upload it there so you can download it to another computer for personal use and/or educational purposes (which would be considered fair use)? You're out of the loop too...

Seriously though: such a broad disclaimer is pretty much a charade.

[Evil One]

Why are we having this discussion anyway?

[Pudding]

Originally Posted by RadioMaster

but whoever takes the responsibility for rockman still would have to fear worst case a lawsuit for putting un-copyrighted or copyrighted, or whatever material on their site.

I guess it's a case of fear or be feared

Since most of the stuff shared on JimSteinman.com is Jim Steinman related i.e. he either wrote it or produced it, then I don't think Jim really gives a monkey's chuff. Jim's made plenty of money of his songs and the record companies have made even more.

Pud

[daveake]

Originally Posted by RadioMaster

dont rapidshare say that youre not allowed to upload copyrighted files? so they're out of hte noose.

I'm sure they do, and I'm equally sure that they realise that the vast majority of stuff uploaded to rapidshare is copyrighted. I doubt they'd remain in business if people actually followed that rule.

Dave

[daveake]

Originally Posted by Pudding

Since most of the stuff shared on JimSteinman.com is Jim Steinman related i.e. he either wrote it or produced it, then I don't think Jim really gives a monkey's chuff. Jim's made plenty of money of his songs and the record companies have made even more.

Pud

I'm sure you're right - he has a very relaxed attitude to fans sharing his stuff.

I found the following quote interesting, from a recent court case brought by Jimmy Page against someone making a sh*tload of money from selling bootlegs. Page said:

"The legitimate part is where fans trade music, but once you start packaging it up and you do not know what you are getting, you are breaking the rules, legally, and morally,"

What Meat's position on this is I don't know. I fully understand why anyone running a forum would want a blanket rule disallowing the sharing of bootlegs.

Dave

[RadioMaster]

Originally Posted by daveake

I'm sure they do, and I'm equally sure that they realise that the vast majority of stuff uploaded to rapidshare is copyrighted. I doubt they'd remain in business if people actually followed that rule.

Dave

yeah, they do, but legally they dont, so nobody can sue them for the stuff they host.
Thats what i meant.

[daveake]

Originally Posted by RadioMaster

yeah, they do, but legally they dont, so nobody can sue them for the stuff they host.
Thats what i meant.

I know what you meant . I was pointing out the irony of their rules vs their business model.

Dave

[Pudding]

Originally Posted by daveake

What Meat's position on this is I don't know. I fully understand why anyone running a forum would want a blanket rule disallowing the sharing of bootlegs.

It's ridiculous in the fact that a bootleg of a show has never and will never replace the experience of actually being there at the live show. The artist certainly doesn't lose out, because their gigs are pre-sold prior to any bootleg being made. If there's no intention of releasing an official recording of the show I don't see what the big deal is. And there's absolutely NO song performed at a Meat Loaf concert that hasn't been sung many many times before, which is why I've refused so many bootlegs of his in the past, it's like history repeating.

A couple of years ago Meat Loaf said he was going to sort out some soundboard recordings of shows for the fans, which would completely undermine all forms of bootlegging from a dodgy recording device.

Pud