R.i.p. Nelson Mandela

Adje · 05 Dec 2013, 23:21

R.i.p.

stretch37 · 05 Dec 2013, 23:47

rip

nikox1 · 06 Dec 2013, 00:36

Legend

CarylB · 06 Dec 2013, 10:44

People often say when someone dies at an advanced age "They had a good life". Nelson Mandela made a good life. His dignified and gentle courage and deep conviction significantly changed the world for the better. Not many can have that said of them, few leave such a powerful legacy. In mourning the death of a great man millions will also celebrate his life and enormous achievement as a true humanitarian. He will doubtless rest peacefully. He should, despite his great humility, rest proudly.

loaferman61 · 06 Dec 2013, 15:50

Terrorist.
He signed off on the deaths of innocent people, lots of them

Nelson Mandela was the head of UmKhonto we Sizwe, (MK), the terrorist wing of the ANC and South African Communist Party. At his trial, he had pleaded guilty to 156 acts of public violence including mobilising terrorist bombing campaigns, which planted bombs in public places, including the Johannesburg railway station. Many innocent people, including women and children, were killed by Nelson Mandela’s MK terrorists. Here are some highlights

-Church Street West, Pretoria, on the 20 May 1983

-Amanzimtoti Shopping complex KZN, 23 December 1985

-Krugersdorp Magistrate’s Court, 17 March 1988

-Durban Pick ‘n Pay shopping complex, 1 September 1986

-Pretoria Sterland movie complex 16 April 1988 – limpet mine killed ANC terrorist M O Maponya instead

-Johannesburg Magistrate’s Court, 20 May 1987

-Roodepoort Standard Bank 3 June, 1988

Tellingly, not only did Mandela refuse to renounce violence, Amnesty refused to take his case stating “[the] movement recorded that it could not give the name of ‘Prisoner of Conscience’ to anyone associated with violence, even though as in ‘conventional warfare’ a degree of restraint may be exercised.”

More here:

http://youtu.be/NKiePbTcAfY

loaferman61 · 06 Dec 2013, 15:58

May his victims rest in peace.

**Monstro** · 06 Dec 2013, 18:17

Incredible how much of the world respected this man and now mourns his loss, a measure of what he achieved in his lifetime and how much he inspired past (and will inspire future) generations.

R.I.P.

Wario · 06 Dec 2013, 20:41

'Bout Time. He was suffering. RIP.

Evil One · 07 Dec 2013, 12:22

I have a friend who works at the Daily Mail

who insists that Mandela actually died months ago.

Wario · 07 Dec 2013, 17:49

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Originally Posted by Holy One

I have a friend who works at the Daily Mail

who insists that Mandela actually died months ago.

Maybe....

chairboys · 07 Dec 2013, 19:09

...maybe not

anotherday · 07 Dec 2013, 19:50

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Originally Posted by loaferman61

May his victims rest in peace.

Wow. What a asshat view.

loaferman61 · 08 Dec 2013, 17:00

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Originally Posted by anotherday

Wow. What a asshat view.

He had blood on his hands. Yes or no? Rather than resort to name calling look up and see if he admitted ordering a train station bombing or just believe what the media tells you and live in bliss. The guy was a murderer pure and simple. When a Palestinian does it he is a "terrorist" so why is this guy not one? Other than the media spoon fed you a false god? I posted a list of his atrocities and what he plead guilty to and admitted in his own book.
All you have is "asshat". Way to go.

anotherday · 08 Dec 2013, 17:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by loaferman61

He had blood on his hands. Yes or no? Rather than resort to name calling look up and see if he admitted ordering a train station bombing or just believe what the media tells you and live in bliss. The guy was a murderer pure and simple. When a Palestinian does it he is a "terrorist" so why is this guy not one? Other than the media spoon fed you a false god? I posted a list of his atrocities and what he plead guilty to and admitted in his own book. All you have is "asshat". Way to go.

He was able to overcome what he did and become a phenomenal leader and man. He CHANGED. I met him in Washington DC years ago at the Martin Luther king JR Center for Nonviolent Social Change. He was such an amazing man. Who changed the fate of a country. His prison term changed him.

Evil One · 08 Dec 2013, 17:36

So if I killed your parents then found Jesus and spread the word for 20 years, would you be happy with that?

TheDoode · 08 Dec 2013, 18:04

Well, as someone once said, 'one man's freedom fighter is another man's terrorist'.

Evil One · 08 Dec 2013, 18:10

Indeed. He may have accomplished great things, but we shouldn't forget how he accomplished them.

CarylB · 08 Dec 2013, 19:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by Holy One

Indeed. He may have accomplished great things, but we shouldn't forget how he accomplished them.

The great things he accomplished after he came out from prison were done with gentleness, skill, and an ability to compromise and to bring two very opposed sides together. As a freedom fighter in his youth he attacked infrastructure; yes, there were casualties, but there was violence on both sides, and he was fighting against a reprehensible system of oppression.

His achievements through peaceful means over many years to establish his rainbow nation were a model. I do not ignore his days of fighting, but honour his many more years of patient negotiation. he was a remarkable man, and I think it is a shame that a thread started with good intentions should become what this one has become.

loaferman61 · 08 Dec 2013, 20:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by CarylB

The great things he accomplished after he came out from prison were done with gentleness, skill, and an ability to compromise and to bring two very opposed sides together. As a freedom fighter in his youth he attacked infrastructure; yes, there were casualties, but there was violence on both sides, and he was fighting against a reprehensible system of oppression.

His achievements through peaceful means over many years to establish his rainbow nation were a model. I do not ignore his days of fighting, but honour his many more years of patient negotiation. he was a remarkable man, and I think it is a shame that a thread started with good intentions should become what this one has become.

Why, do facts get in the way? It is a shame to hide from truth. That is what is a shame.

CarylB · 08 Dec 2013, 21:04

I am not "hiding from the truth", nor do I think it is right to suggest anyone else is here. Some of us simply acknowledge the greatness of a man's achievements, which in my view (and it would seem of others) outweigh the actions he took in his youth in the struggle for freedom.

That a man can reflect, learn, find other ways to achieve great things is to his credit in my view.

Those who hold their freedom of speech dear and abhor any form of censorship, enjoy their freedom, are fortunate if they have not experienced being held down as an underclass in their own country.

Now I will leave you to have the last word, because I do think this argument is a sad reflection of the way a simple thread wishing a man who achieved great things to rest in peace is turned into a mission to diminish them.

LucyK! · 08 Dec 2013, 21:14

Exactly...there's a time and a place.

loaferman61 · 08 Dec 2013, 21:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by LucyK!

Exactly...there's a time and a place.

Indeed, a time and a place for truth. He killed innocent people, period. What exactly he supposedly did to absolve himself of that I will leave to the liberals and the media who wants us to think he was Christ-like.
He died with innocent blood on his hands.

LucyK! · 08 Dec 2013, 22:18

This thread was started as a place for people to pay their respects to Mandela. If you believe his actions don't deserve respect that's fine, but an RIP thread surely isn't the place to voice that.

05 Dec 2013, 23:21	#1
Adje trying to be realistic Join Date: 28.09.2007 Location: Posts: 1,960	R.i.p. Nelson Mandela R.i.p.

06 Dec 2013, 15:50	#5
loaferman61 Mega Loafer Join Date: 27.03.2003 Location: In the dark Posts: 1,557	Terrorist. He signed off on the deaths of innocent people, lots of them Nelson Mandela was the head of UmKhonto we Sizwe, (MK), the terrorist wing of the ANC and South African Communist Party. At his trial, he had pleaded guilty to 156 acts of public violence including mobilising terrorist bombing campaigns, which planted bombs in public places, including the Johannesburg railway station. Many innocent people, including women and children, were killed by Nelson Mandela’s MK terrorists. Here are some highlights -Church Street West, Pretoria, on the 20 May 1983 -Amanzimtoti Shopping complex KZN, 23 December 1985 -Krugersdorp Magistrate’s Court, 17 March 1988 -Durban Pick ‘n Pay shopping complex, 1 September 1986 -Pretoria Sterland movie complex 16 April 1988 – limpet mine killed ANC terrorist M O Maponya instead -Johannesburg Magistrate’s Court, 20 May 1987 -Roodepoort Standard Bank 3 June, 1988 Tellingly, not only did Mandela refuse to renounce violence, Amnesty refused to take his case stating “[the] movement recorded that it could not give the name of ‘Prisoner of Conscience’ to anyone associated with violence, even though as in ‘conventional warfare’ a degree of restraint may be exercised.” More here: http://youtu.be/NKiePbTcAfY Last edited by loaferman61; 06 Dec 2013 at 15:55.

05 Dec 2013, 23:47	#2
stretch37 Mega Loafer Join Date: 28.06.2008 Location: Posts: 2,120	rip

06 Dec 2013, 00:36	#3
nikox1 Mega Loafer Join Date: 05.07.2007 Location: Front line of the battle Posts: 2,657	Legend

06 Dec 2013, 10:44	#4
CarylB Mega Loafer Join Date: 16.04.2003 Location: Sheffield UK Posts: 5,910	People often say when someone dies at an advanced age "They had a good life". Nelson Mandela made a good life. His dignified and gentle courage and deep conviction significantly changed the world for the better. Not many can have that said of them, few leave such a powerful legacy. In mourning the death of a great man millions will also celebrate his life and enormous achievement as a true humanitarian. He will doubtless rest peacefully. He should, despite his great humility, rest proudly.

06 Dec 2013, 15:58	#6
loaferman61 Mega Loafer Join Date: 27.03.2003 Location: In the dark Posts: 1,557	May his victims rest in peace.

06 Dec 2013, 18:17	#7
Monstro Promoted to Wario's spellchecker Join Date: 17.09.2005 Location: London Posts: 12,947	Incredible how much of the world respected this man and now mourns his loss, a measure of what he achieved in his lifetime and how much he inspired past (and will inspire future) generations. R.I.P.

06 Dec 2013, 20:41	#8
Wario Monstro helps me spell things... Join Date: 05.01.2007 Location: Masculine, Pennsylvania Posts: 9,105	'Bout Time. He was suffering. RIP.

07 Dec 2013, 12:22	#9
Evil One Mega Loafer Join Date: 15.01.2007 Posts: 5,192	I have a friend who works at the Daily Mail who insists that Mandela actually died months ago.

07 Dec 2013, 19:09	#11
chairboys Mega Loafer Join Date: 17.09.2011 Posts: 1,811	...maybe not

08 Dec 2013, 17:36	#15
Evil One Mega Loafer Join Date: 15.01.2007 Posts: 5,192	So if I killed your parents then found Jesus and spread the word for 20 years, would you be happy with that?

08 Dec 2013, 18:04	#16
TheDoode Guest Join Date: 16.02.2010 Posts: 1,023	Well, as someone once said, 'one man's freedom fighter is another man's terrorist'.

08 Dec 2013, 18:10	#17
Evil One Mega Loafer Join Date: 15.01.2007 Posts: 5,192	Indeed. He may have accomplished great things, but we shouldn't forget how he accomplished them.

08 Dec 2013, 21:04	#20
CarylB Mega Loafer Join Date: 16.04.2003 Location: Sheffield UK Posts: 5,910	I am not "hiding from the truth", nor do I think it is right to suggest anyone else is here. Some of us simply acknowledge the greatness of a man's achievements, which in my view (and it would seem of others) outweigh the actions he took in his youth in the struggle for freedom. That a man can reflect, learn, find other ways to achieve great things is to his credit in my view. Those who hold their freedom of speech dear and abhor any form of censorship, enjoy their freedom, are fortunate if they have not experienced being held down as an underclass in their own country. Now I will leave you to have the last word, because I do think this argument is a sad reflection of the way a simple thread wishing a man who achieved great things to rest in peace is turned into a mission to diminish them.

08 Dec 2013, 21:14	#21
LucyK! The Monster Is Luce Join Date: 14.04.2002 Location: Posts: 7,547	Exactly...there's a time and a place.

08 Dec 2013, 22:18	#23
LucyK! The Monster Is Luce Join Date: 14.04.2002 Location: Posts: 7,547	This thread was started as a place for people to pay their respects to Mandela. If you believe his actions don't deserve respect that's fine, but an RIP thread surely isn't the place to voice that.