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Old 23 Dec 2017, 01:30   #6729
AndrewG
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For me Star Wars is the Skywalker story....
*More spoilers*
For me it is that too but it is also the story of family. I really think Rey needs to be a Kenobi or ideally a Skywalker. Rey's vision in TFA makes totally no sense if her parents are nobodies.
I don't like this thing of anyone can use the force thing (Mind you I also don't like the medichlorian Jesus no father birth story either!).

I feel if this story ends with some bizarre lesson of it doesn't matter who your parents are or family doesn't matter I think that is incredibly inately dissatisfactory.

I think these innate lessons and kinship of family (which realistically allowed humans to evolve) are so vital within Star Wars, Lucas probably didn't even know what he was writing to a certain extent. I feel if you destroy that fans won't come back.

Star Wars was mostly successful because people wanted to watch these movies a million times and buy the merch etc. I think this is a sign that things are simply not right with The Last Jedi's story:
'Last Jedi' Grosses Are Collapsing With The Worst Daily Holds Of All 9 Star Wars Movies

Instead of what we got how cool would it have been to have seen Luke raise his submerged X Wing out of the water (what he couldn't do in Empire) to save Leia/Ray/Finn.
Rey could have left earlier with the Millennium Falcon and Chewie to save Finn say if he had been captured or so and leave R2 behind for Luke. Still play that hologram but then R2 could join Luke in the X Wing to save the day. I would have spaced this a few years after TFA regardless to give Rey time for Jedi training and more significance to Finn's coma and thus Rey and Finn's relationship.

At the battle of Kraite Luke could have stopped all the lasers from the walkers like Kylo did in TFA at the beginning and either sent them back to the walkers and/or use some force mega power to raise all the walkers into the sky and smashed the bejeezus out of them. We needed some hand to hand combat there too between rebels and first order fighters and this could have explained the evening out of powers. Luke has a more extended light sabre fight with Kylo. But Luke doesn't destroy Kylo because he thinks he can be redeemed. Luke flees with the remaining rebels and Rey.

I think Leia should have died in this one. Ackbar should have sacrificed himself instead of yet another new character being introduced with the purple haired Jurassic Park Ellie. The codebreaker could have been Lando or so. Keep Snoke alive. Phasma captures Finn, who gets his memory erased somehow and is placed in a stormtrooper costume which would look like a desperate bad ending to him (like how Han Solo was put in nitrogen etc). Maybe put him in either a non significant stormtrooper suit (that looks bad - that typical one in a million never to be found again Toy Story thing) or a red one to make him a force to be reckoned with in the final episode before he is of course freed somehow. Regardless his story should end well in 9 and I don't think introducing a new love interest was a good move at all. Rey will be a Jedi so I guess a love relationship isn't quite possible with Finn but it could have been left open and at least meant they are both closer. Rey now suddenly meeting Poe and hinting at what would be a love interest only developed over one remaining episode seems very sad to me and stupid considering Finn has known Rey for more than 1 1/2 episodes already at that point.

The movie could have ended with Leia's funeral and that that triggered some major twist revealing Rey is in fact Kylo's sister and thus Leia is her mother which could trigger Rey wanting to redeem him in the final episode and destroy Snoke with Luke.

I really don't know how they will deal with Kylo, Luke's death (also no Carrie Fisher!?) and Rey's motivation but I just hope it's not some stupid thing of Rey leading a band of new Jedi fighters who were slave boys on a casino planet to fight Kylo and the First Order. Also why free the "horses" and not the slave boys. Social justice warrioring around the galaxy seems to make people do bizarre things at times.

I did absolutely love the Kylo/Rey light sabre fighting and slow mo start.
The walker taking position to start to shoot Luke. These scenes were merely seconds but SOO SOO GOOD. There was nothing as memorable as those bits in the entire prequel trilogy even.

Maybe it sounds silly but to me this movie is like listening to Meat Loaf's last record. It contains elements of pure genius (GATW and Souvenirs). An absolutely bizarre start (who needs the young / lightsaber handover - no time between stories), some dissatisfying moments and just not what we are used to from Meat and Jim (and Star Wars). Both these products seem to lack that precise bit of polish to make them both almost the best from two 40 year old franchises which I believe they could have been. Both seem to have important elements missing (another great song in Braver - body / more family connection in SW). Strange how these things can pan out when you start thinking about them....

At least SW has the benefit of having one more major episode remaining for redemption. (Though I'm sure we will see main style episodes 10/11/12 too!).

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