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Originally Posted by nightinr
The majority of this thread mirrors why Trump got elected. The social, liberal elite who think they're better than the average man/woman in the street talk in an articulate, patronising way of how terrible Trump is. This just puts off the silent majority who then are tempted to vote the opposite way. A similar thing happened in the UK over Brexit.
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The last word I would use to describe myself is "elite", and I certainly don't think I'm any better than anyone else. I think the huge outcry over Trump's election has less to do with his policies and everything to do with Trump himself- people don't see him as being fit for the job- end of. I don't get why this seems so hard for some people to understand.
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Originally Posted by stretch37
But I do think that - coming from Canada, where if we have a curable illness, we most likely will live - that with 20 million people losing coverage overnight in the states (that's 2/3 of the population of Canada by the way), people will die. Of course they will. Many of them wont have any way to pay for their treatment...Their choice will be between draining their entire family's resources and being so in debt forever that they have no chance, and dying and letting their family have a future...
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My son is 22 years old. He had a surgery last year (he's fine, thankfully) that we would not have been able to afford were it not for the provision of Obamacare that allows him to remain on our insurance until he is 26. I'm concerned about what his situation is going to be in the near future, as his current job doesn't provide medical insurance.
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Originally Posted by stretch37
I'm not surprised that lawmakers aren't even attempting to make a new plan first for universal health care, then transition the people and phase out Obamacare. They've been so hell bent on killing Obamacare that they don't care, they just want it gone ASAP.
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That, to me, is the scariest part- they can't wait to get rid of it without first coming up with any kind of replacement plan.
Now, I thought I would turn this discussion somewhat back towards the original subject of the thread with a real world example. As I think most people know, Bruce Springsteen has spoken out against Trump, and supported Hillary (though not nearly as strongly as he did Obama) during the campaign. It's been reported in the news (somewhat erroneously) that The B Street Band, a Springsteen tribute act, is playing the inauguration, and many Springsteen fans are quite angry, saying that the band should not play, even to the point of calling for a boycott of their future appearances.
For the sake of accuracy, the band isn't actually playing the inauguration, they are playing a gala the night before for a non-partisan organization called the New Jersey State Society, which holds this gala every four years, regardless of which candidate wins the election. In fact, The B Street band was contracted for next week's gig back in 2013, after they played when Obama won (they also played in 2009).
Critics are saying that the band should pull out of the gig in respect to Bruce's feelings about Trump, and/or that Bruce should somehow forbid them from using his music, which I'm not sure that he could do, even if he wanted to. For the record, Bruce or his representatives have so far declined to comment.
So, what do people think? Let's not make this about Bruce, but instead generalize it, or turn it around. We don't know for sure which candidate Meat preferred because he didn't tell us, but for the sake of conversation, let's pretend he supported Trump and Hillary won, and a Meat Loaf tribute act was contracted to play the same gala. Should they? Are tribute acts under some obligation to respect the politics of the artist they support? Would it be different if the gala in question was strictly for a certain candidate as opposed to a non-partisan affair? Given how there are members of some tribute acts present on the board, I'm interested in what people's thoughts and feelings are.
Also, do people think the original artist has a right to ask that the band shouldn't play, or to ask that their music not be used?