[Julie in the rv mirror]

Originally Posted by AndrewG

And the only thing I'd say in response to Penn is that society should be careful with letting political correctness stand in the way of discussing important issues.

I don't think that's what Penn was getting at, especially since he seems to be rather politically incorrect himself. And I agree with you that society as whole has become too politically correct. However, there is a huge difference between not being afraid to offend people and being downright dangerous- I believe Trump is the latter.

Now of course Donald Trump has put himself into the limelight and probably knew what he was going in for but I still think the outrage at what he is saying seems to be worse than the things he has said himself. People digging up dirt on his family etc. I'm not saying anyone here has done that, I am merely pointing out the ganging up is very easy to be part of and not notice it. I am sure I have been part of such things in the past myself.
There's just Both Sides to a story quite often.

Standard procedure in any political campaign, unfortunately. Hilary has been criticized and put under a microscope as well. Recently, she was sick with pneumonia, and people were questioning whether she were physically fit enough to hold office. Now, when has that ever happened before? FDR was in a wheelchair, for goodness sake. She can't be called out for making outrageous or offensive public comments because she simply doesn't make them. The mudslinging has been particularly vicious this time, but not unusual in itself.

I was shocked when I saw this footage of a guy wearing an "MAGA" hat in a Black Lives Matter rally. It comes across that parts of the Black Lives Matters club is far more dangerous than anything they are protesting about.
Sure you can say he should have known that wearing a MAGA hat in THAT crowd was stupid but did he really deserve what he got for it?? I don't think so.

Well, if I may quote Mr. Springsteen, "Trust none of what you hear, and less of what you see."

The Black Lives Matter movement hits very close to home for me for many reasons, which I mostly won't get into here. While it seems like a just cause, I do believe there is a great potential for ugliness involved, and I think there is a sinister element that can exploit it and other causes for their own means. The media exacerbates the whole situation as well.

Adje touched on this in his post, and it's my feeling as well, that Trump has the dangerous capacity to appeal to the fringe element of society. If I may be politically incorrect, I think some of those he appeals to are frankly not the most intelligent members of society, and/or mentally unstable- those who can be easily swayed. I think Trump is a rabble-rouser. You may consider his comment about the Second Amendment to refer to voting- other people might not. Using Black Lives Matter as an example, look at the innocent police officers who have been murdered in "retaliation" for shootings by the police. The fact that the individuals doing the killing were mentally unstable doesn't make the situation any less tragic.

Trump also makes a lot of promises, but has no plans to back them up. One particular example- he stated he could end the gun violence that happens in Chicago in a week- laughable enough to make him look like a total fool.

Hardly any negatives are mentioned about her on the UK to the point there isn't even any debate about which policies she stands for.

As I said above, there is plenty negative said about her in the U.S. media.

However the amnesia card definitely seems to be played by Barack Obama (why a sitting president can so easily devote so much time to hand over the reigns I don't understand??). Listen to some of the stuff he was saying about Hillary Clinton:

He was running against her at the time that commercial was made. Both that and him supporting her now is again, standard politics. Don't forget, there was much talk about Hilary being Obama's running mate (before he chose Biden), and she served under him as Secretary of State, so they are not exactly enemies. Of course he's going to endorse her now.

As to why Hilary brought up the "Miss Piggy" incident in the debate, it was a strategy to rattle Trump, and it worked.