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CarylB · 08 Dec 2013, 18:20

I think one's liking of any artist and their performance is of necessity subjective as Jenna has said. This forum came about as part of the then Meat Loaf UK Fan Club. I would expect "fans" by definition to be passionate about the artist they follow, and in their reviews to give their own perspective, their feelings which the artist inspired.

I was criticised here some years ago for not giving "balanced and objective reviews" upon which people could judge and decide whether or not to go to a Meat show. My view then, and now, is that is the job of critics. Meat would be the first to say that in every show there are things he wasn't happy with. His commitment means he examines every show looking for flaws. I am a fan. I don't. I simply ride the wave of each performance, and my reviews reflect what I experienced. Of course I am not unbiased .. I am a fan. I have friends who would never go to a Meat show. I also have friends who are certainly not "superfans", would not join a forum dedicated to him, and have attended just a handful of shows over the years, but who have on each occasion had a great time and had no criticisms .. and before anyone says anything, they would tell me if they had because we ARE friends, and would not have gone to see him again were they disappointed or thought he was no longer up to snuff. They might not fly to Vegas unless they happen to be in the US at the right time .. but if he brings the show to London they'll be there

If Meat's shows disappointed me I would not attend them. There are other artists I have seen who have been disappointing (at one I actually kept falling asleep!). I haven't sought out their sites to criticise them, nor posted negative reviews on TM, because it was my disappointment, my subjective expectations they failed to meet; I simply voted with my feet. Other fans at those shows were clearly delighted. Doubtless they will continue to follow the artist of their choice as I do mine.

I'm glad you enjoyed my reviews of Vegas. Meat is a skilled, charismatic and vivid performer and not to write a vivid review fails to do him justice imo

I don't think I've seen any review of Vegas here that didn't say the show was great; certainly the fans from this forum who I saw at Vegas, without exception, said on coming out of the theatre that it was brilliant. We are unlikely to ever see a Meat concert again, and if anyone goes to Vegas (or any other theatre where he does a residency) expecting a concert they may be disappointed .. on the other hand they may, like those of us here who went, be bowled over by a show that plays to the full range of Meat's artistic talents, and think it's one of the best things they've seen him do. I believe I said in my last Vegas review that it seems to me to be what Meat's stage career has been leading him to, and I stand by that.

08 Dec 2013, 18:20	#40
CarylB Mega Loafer Join Date: 16.04.2003 Location: Sheffield UK Posts: 5,910	I think one's liking of any artist and their performance is of necessity subjective as Jenna has said. This forum came about as part of the then Meat Loaf UK Fan Club. I would expect "fans" by definition to be passionate about the artist they follow, and in their reviews to give their own perspective, their feelings which the artist inspired. I was criticised here some years ago for not giving "balanced and objective reviews" upon which people could judge and decide whether or not to go to a Meat show. My view then, and now, is that is the job of critics. Meat would be the first to say that in every show there are things he wasn't happy with. His commitment means he examines every show looking for flaws. I am a fan. I don't. I simply ride the wave of each performance, and my reviews reflect what I experienced. Of course I am not unbiased .. I am a fan. I have friends who would never go to a Meat show. I also have friends who are certainly not "superfans", would not join a forum dedicated to him, and have attended just a handful of shows over the years, but who have on each occasion had a great time and had no criticisms .. and before anyone says anything, they would tell me if they had because we ARE friends, and would not have gone to see him again were they disappointed or thought he was no longer up to snuff. They might not fly to Vegas unless they happen to be in the US at the right time .. but if he brings the show to London they'll be there If Meat's shows disappointed me I would not attend them. There are other artists I have seen who have been disappointing (at one I actually kept falling asleep!). I haven't sought out their sites to criticise them, nor posted negative reviews on TM, because it was my disappointment, my subjective expectations they failed to meet; I simply voted with my feet. Other fans at those shows were clearly delighted. Doubtless they will continue to follow the artist of their choice as I do mine. I'm glad you enjoyed my reviews of Vegas. Meat is a skilled, charismatic and vivid performer and not to write a vivid review fails to do him justice imo I don't think I've seen any review of Vegas here that didn't say the show was great; certainly the fans from this forum who I saw at Vegas, without exception, said on coming out of the theatre that it was brilliant. We are unlikely to ever see a Meat concert again, and if anyone goes to Vegas (or any other theatre where he does a residency) expecting a concert they may be disappointed .. on the other hand they may, like those of us here who went, be bowled over by a show that plays to the full range of Meat's artistic talents, and think it's one of the best things they've seen him do. I believe I said in my last Vegas review that it seems to me to be what Meat's stage career has been leading him to, and I stand by that.