The mod stuff................
I've given the thread a good clean to get rid of some of the in fighting and some of the more angrily speculative posts.
I've tried to be as fair as possible to everyone concerned, but if something has been deleted you feel should have stayed up, mea culpa
1st of all.
Yes, the thread belongs on the forum.
People here have a special interest in Meat, and Patti has been a big part of that for the last 20 years.
No more debate on weather this should be discussed on the forum.
Pandora has officially opened the box.
Let's deal with it the best we can in a rational manner rather than invest in a lifetime supply of elephant food (and a f*cking big pooper scooper
).
With that in mind, may I remind you that we are not in full possession of the facts.
I wouldn't presume to know all the facts of what has gone on without asking Meat at least 20 questions, asking Patti an extra 20, and even then the truth would probably be somewhere in between.
See what Jonty's boss said about there being 3 sides to every argument.
As we don't know the full facts, please show some restraint when it comes to finger pointing and venting "disgust" at anybody involved to how and why Patti has been dismissed.
It's unfair.
We don't know if the termination email was the 1st or the 100'th correspondence between Meat & Patti on the subject.
Personally, I would be surprised if the first thing Patti knew about this was when she opened her emails.
If Meat and/or Patti should decide to give a full explanation as to what has happened, perhaps we can have a more informed opinion then.
Until that time, at least, try to keep an open mind.
While it's true that Meat posted in anger in the heat of the moment in response to what has been said on this thread, I can forgive him that as much as I can forgive the angry posts that prompted his response.
If folks were posting about me in such harsh terms with such little information, I would have said much worse than Meat.
Meat's words have been deleted (within a very short time) by mutual agreement.
Reposting what Meat posted here is completely out of the question, and sharing what Meat said with who he posted to is nothing short of shit stirring and causing unnecessary upset IMO.
And it's
not Meat's reputation i'm thinking of when I say that.
You might want to double check your motives before forwarding any deleted message.
On that matter, case closed.
IMHO.........
Personally, I agree that Patti's departure could have been handled better.
While it's true that it says Meat Loaf on the tickets, and it's a Meat Loaf concert you are paying to see, Meat knows how loved Patti is by the fans.
It's natural that fans should be disappointed and upset not to see Patti on stage with Meat.
That said, it's never a good day to break bad news, and let's be completely honest here, a simple "Patti has left the band, we wish her the best of luck" would not be the end of the matter. There would have been a whole new round of speculation and demand for answers.
Damned if you do, put in the wicker man if you don't
An issue has obviously arisen, and perhaps, just perhaps, Meat has not said anything publicly because he feels that to post his point of view might be disrespectful to Patti?
While we all (well, not all of us) want answers, two opposing points of view being aired in public can turn very quickly into a slanging match.
It would be a real sorrow to see things end like that between them
While I personally doubt very much that the termination email was the first Patti was told on the subject, there are certain things that
do have to be put in writing.
You may like your boss, might think of him as a friend, might even go for beers on a Friday night after work, but when it comes right down to it there are legal requirements when terminating somebody's employment.
Not nice, just a fact of life.
I for one do not believe that Meat is
happy to see Patti gone.
Although things could have been handled differently in the last 3 weeks, 3 weeks is not an awful long time.
In the interview posted in this thread, Meat called Patti his "rock", and I don't think for a moment he was exaggerating or lying.
Try cutting off your right arm and see how much better you feel in 3 weeks time
I can only repeat what I've said before...........
Patti: I'm very sorry to see you gone, and i'll always be grateful for the special times you have given me (keep your jokes to yourselves there folks
).
I'm sure her career is far from over, and i'd LOVE to see some solo work.
Our loss is some other lucky sods gain.
Meat: I'm sorry to see you lose IMHO the best female foil you've had in your long career.
In summary........
Keep an open mind.
No off topic fighting.
Try and show some consideration for each other, Meat, and Patti.
This isn't easy on anyone.
I'm opening the thread again, but if we have more of the same it'll be deleted.