[The Flying Mouse]

Originally Posted by suzieq

If everyone is worried and fighting for their friends, why doesn't the friend try and get a message to Meat themselves? They have already made up their mind anyway haven't they?

If fans have the right to speak up for Meat, fans have the right to speak up for their friends.

Originally Posted by Evil Ernie

In some peoples defence, the thread title isn't very clear.

And if it were changed now some people would wonder where the feck it is
See R's post. Doesn't matter if it's called "Debate" "Marmite" or "Kevin", we all know what the thread is about. I've posted it myself several times.

Originally Posted by lorenzoduke

If someone tells 97% of a club or group I'm part of to go to hell, I'm not going to act like I couldn't care less, regardless of whether I feel like I'm personally counted amongst that number.

Same here.
Rightly or wrongly I support this community.
I think that the minority of critical posts gets more attention than the majority of postitive and supportive posts.
It's the squeaky wheel that gets the grease

But I thought that Meat was far too harsh in his distain of this forum and the people who post here.
He said "97%"
In the last 24 hours, 185 registered users have visited this forum. Take into account that this thread has resulted in it being a heavy traffic day too.
That means (on a busy day) there are less than 6 good fans on this forum. The rest are deemed evil.
If you read posts by six people you consider fans, it means that you are not.
So yes, I find that unfair, and insulting.

Originally Posted by olblueeyes

And even more who are still clinging to this 97% figure, that Meat has already since said was exaggerated.

Then it would be nice to have a new estimate.

Originally Posted by CarylB

there was a preponderance of posts suggesting that his best days were over.

Perhaps because some people believe that?
I myself said I thought his 88 Live album was the best i'd ever heard.
On the face ot it, if you really really want to take my post that way, you could say that I was saying Meat peaked in 88 and it's all downhill from there.

But I also posted that I still got a lot of pleasure from his work, that i've ALWAYS taken a lot of pleasure from his work. From the first era to the present day.
Now is that really such an offensive thing to say?
You didn't, Caryl, because you liked my post.

I say, with no problem or regret at all, that I peaked as a magician at about 20 years old. It was at my most creative (in that field) my interest in the field was still strong, the hands were fast and the brain was quick (believe it or not ).

That doesn't mean that I still can't change your religion with a deck of cards.

Being past your peak is no big deal as long as you can still do it better than anyone else.

Originally Posted by CarylB

as I think the moderator mentioned when he stopped you discussing on another thread.

Yes, I stopped the discussion on the general condition of Meat's voice on the Endorcement thread.
Like this one, that thread was far too hot as it was without adding a big off topic debate into the mix.

Originally Posted by melon

I've not said that he wasn't, but I see little point in going on about it over and over. I do believe that he probably feels pretty bad about it, as any decent person would.

Because folks have been insulted, and are pretty pissed off about it.
You might as well ask Meat why he feels the need to go on and on about things he's read on the forum or on facebook.

At least the things posted here are generally honest opinions that are posted with no other reason to express themselves to other fans.
They are not posted with an intent to hurt Meat, or to insult him personally.

What Meat posted here was intended to offend, hurt, and upset.
That's the difference IMHO.

If someone treats you like that, you shouldn't turn your back on them, not if you love them, but in all fairness it's perfectly normal to stay pissed off at them until they say that magic word, sorry.

If I spoke to Meat the way he spoke to us, I wouldn't expect him to forgive me until I apologised. And quite frankly, I don't know if he would. I don't believe he has that much interest in me to think forgivness warrented if I spoke to him like that.

As for myself, I don't need an apology from Meat.
I still love the guy.
But it would have been a nice gesture, and it would have gone a long way, and brought back a lot of respect from a lot of folks

Originally Posted by melon

I understand what its like to blow your top, and its a pretty crap feeling when you look at what you've done.

Hell yeah, we've all done it.

Originally Posted by melon

I'm still behind this guy 100% and never doubted it.

Me too.
But i'm still behind this community too.
If two of my friends fall out, I don't have to hate one of them.
I might not agree with one of them has done, but it doesn't mean that I shoyld desert them.
The two of them heal the rift, and things go on.

Originally Posted by TheDoode

And for the record the moderation stopped 'a' discussion on another thread, he didn't personally stop 'me' from discussion. The subject was deemed off topic, hence the new thread which was on topic.

That's right, and I could have fecking killed you for opening that thread
As i've said (several times) as soon as I saw the thread appear I thought it wouldn't get past the first page before it was locked, but I was proved wrong. The posts were respectful, and mostly positive.
Nothing was said to be hurtful or snide, it was just fans talking about their favourite artists various eras. I couldn't argue with it.