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Originally Posted by BostonAngel
Since you haven't bothered to take the time to actually read what the discussion is all about your opinion to me is almost worthless. In other words you are offering up a comment on a discussion when you don't even know what it is all about. I think it also being condesending and disrespectful others who have taken the time and effort to put their thought into words. IF you can be bothered to comment, I think you should at least be bothered to understand what you are actually commenting on so you can offer something real,productive and knowledgable to the discussion. IF you had in fact been bothered to read, you would know that the discussion was not about who is or isn't a real fan. It is about posting thoughtfully and respectfully and not making a negative judgement & comment based on a distorted poor quality YoTube clip that doesn't accurately reflect the real performance.
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I read a quarter-ish of it, then skimmed over the rest. I took enough away from it to conclude that it's the same crap which has been going on forever, and I have better things to do with my time than read it all
again. TheDoode's post stood out to me above the rest, and I saw that no one had answered it (shocker!) and figured I'd give it the respect it deserved. Considering that the whole discussion stemmed from this issue, and the rest has sort of been done before, I didn't think the comment was that out of place. You can call that dismissive if you want (and it probably is). I don't really care. Some people need to grow up.
@ the bolded part, did you notice the fact that I took the time to hunt down a YouTube link appropriate for the discussion? Or to find a post on these forums that demonstrated my fact? I don't post in this sort of discussions without some degree of effort, thank you very much. You can't brush off what I say just because it wasn't to your liking (and before you disagree, that's exactly what you did). Brushing off my entire post with something as
condescending and disrespectful as "negative post" is ignoring my points in favour of shoving your fingers in your ears and screaming at the top of your lungs.
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Originally Posted by BostonAngel
THere is one part of what you posted that I do want to respond to. YouTube videos taken with cell phone cameras that have very poor sound and very poor picture quality are not anywhere near a true representation of the actual quality of the true performance. Most of them are in fact crap. The sound is very distorted with the background noise, etc. You can't truly judge the vocals with all that distortion. The picture is also distorted depending on far back you are in the crowd and the resolution on the device you are using.
My example, if though isn't about MEat is this: At Motley Crue last summer I took a video with my digital camera of Tommy Lee's drum coaster solo; His drum set is like a mini-roller coaster that goes around, for those that are not aware. The sound and picture were very poor. I wouldn't want people judging his musical ability or the impact of that amazing special effect by my video. If you look up any of the official promo videos of it, you can see how truly awesome this event is. I readily admit, that the quality of my video is crap. That doesn't mean the effect itself was crap. I wouldn't post my own video here because I wouldn't want to disrespect Tommy Lee's ability like. that.
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I never said it was a true representation of the overall performance, and that's because you're 100% right. It doesn't show the entire quality of the performance. However, it doesn't make a brilliant performance into a terrible performance. If someone's voice sounds out of key in a video,
it is out of key. That's not the video lying to you, and no matter how much distorted the video is, the person singing out of key. Yes, you may not be able to hear stuff properly, but it's not changing what was actually recorded. If that wasn't the case, the video I linked would most likely show Meat singing out of key, because it's a pretty dodgy recording. But, shockingly enough, it doesn't. Saying otherwise is to i
gnore what is being played for you in favour of following some fantasy you prefer.
Just to clarify, I'm not saying Meat was singing out of key in those videos that were linked (I don't think it was all that bad, actually). But to dismiss someone's negative opinion on the grounds of "well it's a bad recording!" is pretty much the definition of a strawman argument. I have no problem with what Meat showed us. I have a problem with people trying to censor opinions they don't like based on something like this.
My apologies for disrupting the main discussion. Ignore this and go back to that, if you want. This issue has been annoying me for a while, and this seemed like the right thread for it.