[The Flying Mouse]

Originally Posted by Lucy!

Exactly. It's not about opinions any more, it's about posting to keep Meat happy.

Read my previous posts, and you'll see that I don't believe that people need to post to keep Meat happy.

I just believe in being fair to the man.

Originally Posted by Lucy!

This is no longer a place of honest discussion and debate, it's a place to stroke Meat's ego and create a world where everything he says and does is perfect...which he, like the rest of us, is not!

I think it should be a place of honest discussion and debate, but (again) that discussion shuold be based on something better than a youtube clip.

I've had no problem voicing my dislike of some of his work and I don't think this forum needs to be (or should be) a place where Meat and his works are perceived to be perfect.

Originally Posted by Lucy!

Do you guys not notice how many people don't bother with MLUKFC any more? People who, over the years, have dedicated so much time to writing reviews and articles and submitting photos - not just to the forums but to the printed RVMs we used to get - and they're no longer here. And it's not because they've given up on Meat, it's because they can't be bothered with the backlash when they post something honest and people dive down their throats for being "disrespectful".

And I don't agree with that kind of behaviour.

It's not what we're talking about, and it's not what i'm defending.

I'm saying that Meat should not be judged by a poor quality youtube clip filmed on something that was designed for making phone calls from.

That's it.
Period.

Does it really make me such a brown nose to think that we perhaps owe him a little more consideration than that?

Originally Posted by Lucy!

Since 1998 this fanclub has been an enormous part of my life, and it genuinely upsets me to see what it's turned into.

It upsets me (bewilders me actually) that a place where we used to have a lot of love for Meat is a place that now seems to have a hard time giving him the benefit of the doubt over poor quality concert vids.

Originally Posted by loaferman61

Who is disrespecting Meat? How do you define disrespect? When a pre-emptive rule is made saying to comment on something if you enjoy it, but keep quiet if you don't how is that not bordering on censorship?

Again, will banning positive comments as well as negative ones (as both are based on unreliable footage) make things better?
If so, i'm all for it.

Originally Posted by loaferman61

Things really became comical to me when it was said if your opinion was not positive to blame the clip.

Who said that?
I don't think I said that (I certainly didn't mean to say that )

What I said was if you don't like the sound of it, at least accept the possibility (the doubt) that the clip is not a good indication of the performance.

There's a difference between blame and doubt, and if there wasn't a lot of innocent folks would be in jail right now.

Originally Posted by loaferman61

Problem is Patti sounds fantastic on those clips, not saying Meat sounds bad mind you, but should I only comment that Patti sounded great, which leaves an implication that Meat might not have?

Ffom what i'm reading on this thread, nobody should say anything about nothing