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robgomm · 07 Mar 2012, 19:09

Wasn't sure where to post this so here goes. Wasn't sure what to call the thread so please could the mods come up with a better title

Just had an argument with someone on another forum and it really annoyed the hell out of me. One thing that annoys me more than anything is when people try to argue with official facts and figures, like they don't believe them or they know better.

Basically he was slating Meat for the fact that he hadn't sold as many copies of HIAHB in the first week as HCTB. I pointed out to him that there were a lot of factors and reasons for this. The declining music industry as a whole, the staggered release of the album, subsequent piracy, lack of promotion in the way of billboards etc. I pointed out that with the exception of a few young trendy mainstream acts (Adele, Lady Gaga etc.) no one really sells that much any more.

This guy then proceeded to get really p**sy with me and told me to get my facts right and that Lady Gaga had sold more than Meat ever had and that the music industry market was booming, especially in singles.

The trouble was I HAD done my research. I discovered for example that Lady Gagas The Fame album was certified for 1.2-1.5m copies sold in the UK. That Bat was certified for 2.1-2.4m copies sold in the UK. If Lady Gaga is meant to be the more mainstream young and trendy popular act surely she should have sold more than Meat who is a niche market? Surely I said this shows that the music industry is on the way down? If that wasn't enough I did some further research and discovered a lot of more interesting facts. In 2003 the UK music industry in sales was worth 1.22bn, in 2011 that had fallen to just over 700m which is a huge decrease. Year on year the music industry announced sales were down overall. Yes digital sales and singles sales were up year after year, but not enough to replace the huge decline in physical sales. Also album sales were down because more people were buying more individual songs rather than albums, which explains the increase in singles sales. All of this was fact.

So what did the guy come back with? He said the official records were unreliable, and that his 'very own posters who have spent years tracking sales' have better information lol. He said I was obviously just trying to cover up for the fact that Meats doing terrible. They reckon for example that The Fame actually sold 2.8m.

In the end I just laughed at him and told him what a deluded moron he was, he preferred to believe his 'very own posters' than official stats.

I just can't believe how ignorant some people are. It's like denying things in history never happened. You can't argue with facts.

07 Mar 2012, 19:09	#1
robgomm Mega Loafer Join Date: 22.10.2006 Location: Hemel Hempstead, UK Posts: 1,671	You can't win an argument with facts Wasn't sure where to post this so here goes. Wasn't sure what to call the thread so please could the mods come up with a better title Just had an argument with someone on another forum and it really annoyed the hell out of me. One thing that annoys me more than anything is when people try to argue with official facts and figures, like they don't believe them or they know better. Basically he was slating Meat for the fact that he hadn't sold as many copies of HIAHB in the first week as HCTB. I pointed out to him that there were a lot of factors and reasons for this. The declining music industry as a whole, the staggered release of the album, subsequent piracy, lack of promotion in the way of billboards etc. I pointed out that with the exception of a few young trendy mainstream acts (Adele, Lady Gaga etc.) no one really sells that much any more. This guy then proceeded to get really p**sy with me and told me to get my facts right and that Lady Gaga had sold more than Meat ever had and that the music industry market was booming, especially in singles. The trouble was I HAD done my research. I discovered for example that Lady Gagas The Fame album was certified for 1.2-1.5m copies sold in the UK. That Bat was certified for 2.1-2.4m copies sold in the UK. If Lady Gaga is meant to be the more mainstream young and trendy popular act surely she should have sold more than Meat who is a niche market? Surely I said this shows that the music industry is on the way down? If that wasn't enough I did some further research and discovered a lot of more interesting facts. In 2003 the UK music industry in sales was worth 1.22bn, in 2011 that had fallen to just over 700m which is a huge decrease. Year on year the music industry announced sales were down overall. Yes digital sales and singles sales were up year after year, but not enough to replace the huge decline in physical sales. Also album sales were down because more people were buying more individual songs rather than albums, which explains the increase in singles sales. All of this was fact. So what did the guy come back with? He said the official records were unreliable, and that his 'very own posters who have spent years tracking sales' have better information lol. He said I was obviously just trying to cover up for the fact that Meats doing terrible. They reckon for example that The Fame actually sold 2.8m. In the end I just laughed at him and told him what a deluded moron he was, he preferred to believe his 'very own posters' than official stats. I just can't believe how ignorant some people are. It's like denying things in history never happened. You can't argue with facts.