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Old 18 Dec 2010, 13:34   #34
PanicLord
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@ PanicLord. First of I want to compliment you on the structured reply. Although I do not agree on all it was very well argumented :)
Thank you!



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This is what the anti-piracy folks tell you. It's nonsense of course to compare this with burglary or money laundring. Especially in the example I posted.

Burglary you actually do harm people. In the case of -and I used the bluray example- it's the oposite. If I hadn't been able to download those titles I would never have bought the originals anyway. The thing is I would never have spent money on them, thus never watched them. If I download them now and watch them that has the same impact as not watching them (from the point of view of the copyright holders). Now I have bought quite a few titles after I saw the downloaded version. So basically this form of piracy eventually regenerates money for them.

Same with music. How many people attend concerts after they heard a downloaded song or album? Especially from new/unknown artists. Eventually they buy merchandise, cd's etc from that same artist.

Now I never claim it's legal but in all honesty it's not fair to claim that all downloaders harm an artist. When sometimes the oposite is true. And that's also what I meant with my latest statement that it's too easy to put the blame on all downloaders

Again refering to my post. The first part I tell I buy cd's unless it's a compilation album with that one missing song. Why would they do that? Sell a 15 to 20 Euro (Dutch prices) compilation album with all songs you -as a fan- already have just to get that one song. How many people would buy one song for 20Euro? It's almost theft. In fact it's legal theft and I actually appreciate it's illegal counterpart if a ddownload is possible.
According to the law this is very simple. You're either black or white. But when we use common sense then there actually is a large grey area (even if you can rightfully claim it's illegal according to the law).
Anyway that's my opinion in this matter :)

I do agree as per my earlier post that there are ways artists benefit from this from some people. But consider the following 2 points:

* What proportion of people, having illegally downloaded eg a film or album, would then go and legally obtain the same or something else by the artist? My opinion is if you steal once you are more likely to steal a 2nd time. I think the majority is harmful.

* Regardless of potential future benefit, if an artist creates something and does not give anyone else permission to have it, then no one else should have it. The artist is the owner and creator and it is their property to do with as they please.




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Then again, how many of you wait for a red light when there is no traffic?
Me. Every time.

BTW, I'm not trying to claim that I never broke a law or claim some moral highground here, for example there may be times when I may have accidentally travelled a little bit faster than the law would allow. I also enjoy watching some of the fan taped videos on Youtube etc.

I'm just standing up for the right of someone who owns something not to have it taken without their permission - i.e. stolen.

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