Well, in an epic bit of timing, it looks like Andy and I have posted at the same time, and he has now gone offline
I'm happy to defere to Andy on this one and reopen the thread, but again I would like to point out that this is a discussion on a forum, nothing more important than that.
No matter what side of the debate you're on, things should not be taken personally, and things should not be posted in reply that are personally abusive or offensive.
If anybody has anything left to say (and I think it's ALL been said here) please post it in a respectful manner which is neither insulting nor ridiculing what others have to say.
Thread reopened.