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Steinman songs that could/should have been on MEAT LOAF albums?
Now BRAVER THAN WE ARE is just on the horizon and BAT THE MUSICAL is a little bit further away (33 weeks according to my coountdown!) and we know the tracklist for the former, I can't help but wonder what some songs would have been like had Meat done them on his albums. We know the original Bat 3 (Final At Bat?) would have featured soem of these songs we know from demos/Tanz:
Not Allowed To Love God Has Left The Building We're Still The Children What Part of my Boody Hurts The Most? Some titles we know but never heard: Paradise Lost The Monster Is Out Of The Cage No Lips Hands Or Butts The Powers Of Darkness plus there's some old classics that you can't help wonder what they would have beemn like had Meat recorded them ala TOTAL ECLIPSE OF THE HEART and MAKING LOVE OUT OF NOTHING AT ALL. Meat Loaf has however said that he may record WHAT PART OF MY BODY for the BOOH cast album, likely thats been talked about with Jim. Are there any somgs you are surprised weren't on the Bats/Braver/ML albums? |
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I think i agree with those top four being part of the Bat Musical...at least in some form. I think the latter four have existed at some time but as some of them were originally called conclusions to Bat1 (when there was talk of climaxes and conclusions a long while back) i think they might have been from so long ago that they have now been recycled in some form in songs already heard (part of me thinks the line "so much of paradise lost, when you add up the cost" from Braver/Going all the way could have arguably been originally a line from Paradise Lost.) As for songs I would have liked Meat to have done. I kind of feel like in the main he has covered what could/needed to be done from Bad for Good and Pandora's Box (I don't really think Safe Sex or Little Black Book would work lol. Dance in My Pants is a fun song and it was heard live as part of his 88 tour, Stark Raving Love he has done the best bit of with Lost Boys and Golden Girls.) Making Love would be a good shout out of Bonnie's stuff..again Holding out for a Hero wouldn't really work, Total Eclipse Maybe, Ravishing again not for Meat. From the musicals, I think they are pretty much covered. Most of Tanz has now been done, and much of Jim's earlier musicals were reused for Bat et al. There are possibly some that could have been done better (Nowhere Fast expanded to more like the Streets of Fire lyrics, I'll Kill You if You Don't Come Back with a better production, a few of the Bat 3 songs without Desmond Child's involvement). Possibly some version of Tonight is What it Means To Be Young would have been good for completeness. I think the main thing i wonder is how many variations and other versions of songs has Jim written over the years that haven't been heard other than those where demos have shown up on his site over the years and on youtube. |
To me there's no point Meat doing covers that Bonnie has done as they are mostly quite well known and quite well produced in the first place. Not really sure Loving you was necessary or even Meat's duet rendition of It's all Coming Back (original and Celine Dion version are more memorable imo). Total Eclipse and Bonnie's Making Love to my ears were definitive versions. I remember hearing Bonnie's Making Love on the radio in 1995 and thought it was first Total Eclipse and then a sequel (never heard the original) within 5 seconds so that says enough.
Stark Raving Love and Dance in my pants could have been on Braver imo. The one song I don't get why it's missing is Graveyard Shift. I think it's an excellent song "I see it all!". Probably better than some that have made it on Braver. Had all of these together with the Angels Arise choir with pounding Piano (album opening) and Body been on Braver too I think they could have justifiably called it Bat 4 easily. :-) Going all the way could then have been the final goodbye I think. The lyrics in Angels Arise "Gotham City is our home..." could easily have been changed to "this Godforsaken Town is our home" to tie in with AFL. It's a disgrace hardly anyone will ever hear Angels Arise. The ending "As the night must surely, always, always fall" with the counter point piano backing and lyric "Looks like it's gonna be a dark one tonight" are some of Steinman's best ideas ever imo. Note: It's not up to me what an artist does at all. These are just my dream ideas. I agree with Evil, really not sure those blog mentioned song titles / lyrics ever existed as full songs. Nothing has ever materialised from these in all the random Dream Engine Malarky / Jim tribute shows that appeared in random places (with his involvement at times) from what I've read. |
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I can only think that Graveyard Shift was either a bit too theatrical even for Braver, or Jim didn't have the time/inclination/desire to rewrite it ( the lyrics about lives destroyed by crime might have worked outside the Batman concept but may have been too left field on an album that is already so far outside the ballpark that's it's half way home on the bus while the game is still playing - in a good way :D ) |
We're Still The Children
What Part of my Boody Hurts The Most? Graveyard Shift Tonight is what it means to be young The final goodbye? |
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Now if BAT the musical goes down in flames much like DANCE OF THE VAMPIRES and BRAVER does well, maybe Jim will want to do something more with Meat as he tends to run back to Meat when other projects don't work out |
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Since Jim recycles his own songs in so many ways, I have to wonder how many fully written songs he has left after the ones that make the musical? Unless they really want to reach back to the ancient stuff which I can't see - even though Braver does mine some of that territory. |
Braver could be hit or miss, the old Skool BOOH should enjoy it, it's a great album, but maybe it's about target audience. I admit the song chpices are very unexpected, but good. Well have to see. I enjoy it :)
Musical theatre is a completely different arena altogether. People will ho and see the show because its Bat Out of Hell, the songs are known well and have commercial welly. Also theatre is a lot broader than the record industry. |
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I have never made an album that is just a collection of songs , there has always been a reason within the album that the song appears , there is a reason for it there is a story line to every record . I left songs off records that become hits for other artist . THEY DID NOT FIT WHAT MY STORY LINE !! . M
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There to is a theme to album , Jim and I went through every song , AS far as LYADJ, I love Bonnie but our Track kills the old one, which by the way Jim produced , he loves the new modern Version and my new arrangement of LYADJ . "what part Body", Jim wanted to do it , Sonenberg said we couldn't , Jim Gave Michael Cole the producer of the play the Album for his plane ride , he listened 3 times told Jim the Record is amazing , then ask " Why didn't you Do "What part of my body hurts the most " go figure!! Jim produced LYADJ for Bonnie ,I didn't know he produced , when he said I think that is a very good idea (it goes with the story line ) I said "well that production sucked" , then Jim said I Produced that song , That is called foot in mouth , but he laughed . Jimmy loves the new version and will tell you so You can pick apart the record all you want . I know how great this record is and so does Jim !!! It's like 1977 all over again !! Every one hated Bat ... Nothing changes everything Stays the same !! Some of those titles you listed are not even real songs !!
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I have so much support here !! Right !!!
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It won't maybe be for everybody in the mainstream with the music business the way it is but it has classic written all over it. At least in my opinion. |
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I love Braver already, the tracks sound fresh and new while bringing back the bombastic energy we know Meat Loaf & Steinman for.
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Can someone enlighten me? |
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And i think, particularly songs like Skulls (the last couple of minutes are like a direct response to what has been happening in France and Turkey these last few days and what will no doubt continue to happen in this tragic world we live in) and Godz actually have more relevance today than they did when Jim wrote them in the 60s. Everything has a time and they have definitely come at the right time. |
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Tied up to the musical and different label
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Jim and I thank you for the positive attitude for both projects . Nice going !! I have already called it a day , there are no more tours ... Just the promo tour for the record !! |
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